diabities and thai food ..fruit

[Iforbach]

hi everybody i was hoping to get some input from fellow diabetics on some guidance on ideas. to keep sugar levels low ..iam diabetic 2 

whilst theres lots  info on line ..i just want some tips hey it could below carb beer etc 

i get my metformin from fascino seems reasonable,, again wondering to is their thai forum for expats on this topic iforbach 

any advice would be appreciated thank you fellow diabetics :)

ps ive started running up steps in condo i live on  .top floor . who needs a gym :) 

[simple1]

For a start beware of white rice, eat small quantities. Quite a lot of Thai food has high levels of sugar stirred in during preparation. So good idea to learn some relevant Thai to request little / no sugar and so on. BTW phonetic Thai for diabetes is "Barwaan". 

 

If you are struggling to control your blood sugar levels, ask a doctor whether Janumet / Jardiance is also advisable for you

[Bonobojt]

you can cure diabetes with a certain healthy diet, if you want to know more then send me a message and I'll send you some information  

[Sheryl]

You cannot "cure" diabetes but you can certainly get it better controlled with proper diet, for some people this will be sufficient to eliminate the need for medication, but not everyone.

 

White rice is indeed a great offender as are all types of Thai noodles. Ditto beer which is pure carbs. Pretty much any alcohol except small amounts of dry wine is a bad idea.

 

Most fruits are pretty high in sugar, berries are an exception and you can get them frozen at Big C, Tesco etc - good with (unsweetened) yogurt.

 

While it is true that sugar is added in cooking most Thai dishes, for curries and stir fries the amount is pretty small.  I think the big issue with Thai food is rice and noodles. If you can minimize those in favor of larger portions of the dishes, will greatly help.

 

Weight loss if you are at all overweight, will make a big difference.

 

And regular exercise is very, very important.

 

 People do vary in how sensitive they are to foods and which ones,  so get a home monitor if you don't already have  one and experiment a bit to see how different foods affect you.

 

 

[Bonobojt]

ok maybe  cure is the wrong word, its been scientifically proven you can 'Reverse' type 2 diabetes with a whole foods plant based diet 

[Max66]

Bananas and mangos , very high sugar content.  Also watch for the juice (shakes) they almost always add alot of sugar water. 

[jamie2009]

7 minutes ago, Max66 said:

Bananas and mangos , very high sugar content.  Also watch for the juice (shakes) they almost always add alot of sugar water. 

Bananas and Mango might have a high sugar content but it’s natural sugars which shouldn’t  cause a spike in sugar levels as much as food where sugar is added directly.

[Proboscis]

11 hours ago, Bonobojt said:

you can cure diabetes with a certain healthy diet, if you want to know more then send me a message and I'll send you some information  

You can cure some forms of Type 2 diabetes in some people as long as they stick very strictly to diet and they are under the care of a doctor. The trouble for may diabetes sufferes is that by the time they are diagnosed, they are so far gone and getting back is very difficult because of secondary conditions and other meds they have to go on.

 

[Proboscis]

Please go to a doctor/specialist and to a dietitian for the expert advice.

 

In Thailand and in a lot of SE Asia, everyone wants to put sugar into everything. Salad? Lets rinse it in sugar water. Yoghurt? Lets put in 5% "milk solids" which is really lactose and therefore sugar. Curries, bread and even sometimes milk will have added sugar. Don't ask why, that is just the way it is.

 

The best way to avoid is shop in better quality supermarkets and read the labels. I also avoid eating out as much as possible and I eat in the better quality places to avoid added sugar in food where you expect not to find sugar.

 

Many of the fruits in Thailand are full of fructose. Mango, for instance, is a really bad example. You should avoid if you have diabetes or if you want to lose weight.

 

 

[Vacuum]

15 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Many of the fruits in Thailand are full of fructose

Pomelo (som-oh) is an exception, and a very tasty one at that.

[Laza 45]

Beware 'hom malie'.. Thai fragrant rice.. very high glycemic index ... even the brown variety.. I thought I was doing the right thing eating the brown variety but it is high gi as well..  Basmati  is much better if you can find it.. 

https://www.tilda.com/live-well/basmati-rice-diabetes-dr-sarah-schenker/

 

Here is a good link if you want to know more about glycemic index..

https://www.wallerwellness.com/health-and-aging/understanding-glycemic-index

 

 

[dougiemac57]

9 hours ago, Sheryl said:

You cannot "cure" diabetes but you can certainly get it better controlled with proper diet, for some people this will be sufficient to eliminate the need for medication, but not everyone.

 

White rice is indeed a great offender as are all types of Thai noodles. Ditto beer which is pure carbs. Pretty much any alcohol except small amounts of dry wine is a bad idea.

 

Most fruits are pretty high in sugar, berries are an exception and you can get them frozen at Big C, Tesco etc - good with (unsweetened) yogurt.

 

While it is true that sugar is added in cooking most Thai dishes, for curries and stir fries the amount is pretty small.  I think the big issue with Thai food is rice and noodles. If you can minimize those in favor of larger portions of the dishes, will greatly help.

 

Weight loss if you are at all overweight, will make a big difference.

 

And regular exercise is very, very important.

 

 People do vary in how sensitive they are to foods and which ones,  so get a home monitor if you don't already have  one and experiment a bit to see how different foods affect you.

 

 

Type 2 diabetes can be cured so that you no longer need to take tablets!!?

[Sparkles]

Live and learn....potatoes,high in sugar,never knew

[jamie2009]

6 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

Live and learn....potatoes,high in sugar,never knew

High in natural sugars which the body breaks down slowly like pasta.

Although it’s best not advisable to eat too many potatoes as that can lead too weight gain.

[ThaiFelix]

1 hour ago, Proboscis said:

Many of the fruits in Thailand are full of fructose. Mango, for instance, is a really bad example.

That might explain why my wife's doctor told her to avoid fruit but a google search for best food for diabetes all said fruit was good....results all from the west of course so Thai fruits are different.

[Laza 45]

23 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

That might explain why my wife's doctor told her to avoid fruit but a google search for best food for diabetes all said fruit was good....results all from the west of course so Thai fruits are different.

Mangos have  GI of between 41 and 60.. placing them in the moderate range for GI.. most fruits are in the low to moderate range..except... surprisingly watermelon.. and dates which are high in carbohydrates..   If you scroll down in this link you will see fruits listed as low, medium & high GI.. https://www.livestrong.com/article/278384-the-glycemic-index-for-fruits/#    

 

This one has some interesting facts about mangos.. https://www.verywellfit.com/carbs-in-mangoes-2241802

 

Glycemic load is also important to look at... the size of the serving makes a difference.. 

[Sheryl]

8 hours ago, Bonobojt said:

ok maybe  cure is the wrong word, its been scientifically proven you can 'Reverse' type 2 diabetes with a whole foods plant based diet 

It has not been, and you cannot.

 

You can control it, to varying degrees, in some cases to the point where no medication necessary, but you have to maintain the new diet permanently.  Not the same thing as "reversal"  or "cure".

[IFinish]

Been T-2 13 yrs, BMI 23, jog 20-25 mi/wk, A1c last tested at 5.7 so very close to start reducing meds (taking 10mg glipizide and 1700mg /day) glipizide is cheap here.

things to consider:

ketogenic diet

paleo diet

SCD diet "leaky gut"

intermittent fasting like 48hours 1 or 2 times/mo (gives liver a rest)

Im also reading lately of benefits of bone broth which im trying now too.

limit empty calories, focus on nutrient rich food.

 

None of this is directly responding to OP about Thai food or Asia as such, just be very careful what u eat.

good luck!

 

[sometimewoodworker]

23 hours ago, Iforbach said:

whilst theres lots  info on line ..i just want some tips hey it could below carb beer etc 

Cut out all hi carbohydrate food, bread, rice, pasta, potato etc. Low carbohydrate food or food that combines carbohydrate and fibre like green vegetables are OK. 

Cut out all added sugar (so almost no processed food and very little Thai food unless home made)

Cut out all soft drinks, the sugar or artificial sweeteners are not good, and all fruit juice the sugar level is extremely high (higher than Coke) even with no added sugar and the dietary finer is gone. You are also quite capable of drinking the juice of 8 oranges in a few minutes (none of the fibre), while you probably couldn't eat that many in a day.

 

Fruit in moderation is good.

A beer once or twice a month would not be a big problem 

 

Get your BMI under 30 and under 25 is even better 

 

You may be able to get off all medication reasonably quickly.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by sometimewoodworker

[sometimewoodworker]

44 minutes ago, IFinish said:

things to consider:

ketogenic diet

paleo diet

SCD diet "leaky gut"

 

 

[greenchair]

23 hours ago, simple1 said:

For a start beware of white rice, eat small quantities. Quite a lot of Thai food has high levels of sugar stirred in during preparation. So good idea to learn some relevant Thai to request little / no sugar and so on. BTW phonetic Thai for diabetes is "Barwaan". 

 

If you are struggling to control your blood sugar levels, ask a doctor whether Janumet / Jardiance is also advisable for you

What is janumet. 

My husband just can't seem to get his levels down no matter what we do. He's got so thin now. 

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, greenchair said:

What is janumet. 

My husband just can't seem to get his levels down no matter what we do. He's got so thin now. 

Out of control diabetes is high risk, so rather than self medicate arrange a review with a specialist for your husband. Can I suggest you post your city / town and 'Sherryl' should be able to recommend one or two specialists to contact

[sometimewoodworker]

 

2 hours ago, jamie2009 said:

2 hours ago, Sparkles said:

Live and learn....potatoes,high in sugar,never knew

High in natural sugars which the body breaks down slowly like pasta.

Although it’s best not advisable to eat too many potatoes as that can lead too weight gain.

Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate.

[Iforbach]

Thank u all for advice 

[Sheryl]

31 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

 

Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate.

Sugars are also carbohydrates.

 

There are 2 types of carbs: sugars and starches.  Starches are slightly more complex molecules but break down quickly into sugars.

 

Intake of both sugars and starches (i.e. all carbs) need to be controlled in diabetics.

[Patanawet]

4 hours ago, Vacuum said:

Pomelo (som-oh) is an exception, and a very tasty one at that.

Isn't pomelo, like grapefruit, to be avoided as it negates the effects of diabetes medication?

[Patanawet]

49 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

 

Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate.

Pasta was demonstrated by a doctor on a BBC programme to transform from high GI to low if left overnight and the reheated.

[Nice Boyd]

I was eating one pomegranate a day, my sugar shot up 2 points

[Jeffkp]

16 hours ago, Bonobojt said:

you can cure diabetes with a certain healthy diet, if you want to know more then send me a message and I'll send you some information  

There is no cure for type 2 diabetes. At best, you can manage your disease.

[jamie2009]

1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said:

 

Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate.

Carbohydrates are made up of starch, fibre and sugar, both pasta and potatoes are a good fuel for energy, irrespective if your diabetic or not, everything in moderation, you can’t live a sugar free life.

My daughter has been a ID diabetic for over 30 years and pasta and jacket potatoes were included in her diet.