Iforbach Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 hi everybody i was hoping to get some input from fellow diabetics on some guidance on ideas. to keep sugar levels low ..iam diabetic 2 whilst theres lots info on line ..i just want some tips hey it could below carb beer etc i get my metformin from fascino seems reasonable,, again wondering to is their thai forum for expats on this topic iforbach any advice would be appreciated thank you fellow diabetics :) ps ive started running up steps in condo i live on .top floor . who needs a gym :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 For a start beware of white rice, eat small quantities. Quite a lot of Thai food has high levels of sugar stirred in during preparation. So good idea to learn some relevant Thai to request little / no sugar and so on. BTW phonetic Thai for diabetes is "Barwaan". If you are struggling to control your blood sugar levels, ask a doctor whether Janumet / Jardiance is also advisable for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonobojt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 you can cure diabetes with a certain healthy diet, if you want to know more then send me a message and I'll send you some information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 You cannot "cure" diabetes but you can certainly get it better controlled with proper diet, for some people this will be sufficient to eliminate the need for medication, but not everyone. White rice is indeed a great offender as are all types of Thai noodles. Ditto beer which is pure carbs. Pretty much any alcohol except small amounts of dry wine is a bad idea. Most fruits are pretty high in sugar, berries are an exception and you can get them frozen at Big C, Tesco etc - good with (unsweetened) yogurt. While it is true that sugar is added in cooking most Thai dishes, for curries and stir fries the amount is pretty small. I think the big issue with Thai food is rice and noodles. If you can minimize those in favor of larger portions of the dishes, will greatly help. Weight loss if you are at all overweight, will make a big difference. And regular exercise is very, very important. People do vary in how sensitive they are to foods and which ones, so get a home monitor if you don't already have one and experiment a bit to see how different foods affect you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonobojt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 ok maybe cure is the wrong word, its been scientifically proven you can 'Reverse' type 2 diabetes with a whole foods plant based diet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max66 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Bananas and mangos , very high sugar content. Also watch for the juice (shakes) they almost always add alot of sugar water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Max66 said: Bananas and mangos , very high sugar content. Also watch for the juice (shakes) they almost always add alot of sugar water. Bananas and Mango might have a high sugar content but it’s natural sugars which shouldn’t cause a spike in sugar levels as much as food where sugar is added directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 11 hours ago, Bonobojt said: you can cure diabetes with a certain healthy diet, if you want to know more then send me a message and I'll send you some information You can cure some forms of Type 2 diabetes in some people as long as they stick very strictly to diet and they are under the care of a doctor. The trouble for may diabetes sufferes is that by the time they are diagnosed, they are so far gone and getting back is very difficult because of secondary conditions and other meds they have to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Please go to a doctor/specialist and to a dietitian for the expert advice. In Thailand and in a lot of SE Asia, everyone wants to put sugar into everything. Salad? Lets rinse it in sugar water. Yoghurt? Lets put in 5% "milk solids" which is really lactose and therefore sugar. Curries, bread and even sometimes milk will have added sugar. Don't ask why, that is just the way it is. The best way to avoid is shop in better quality supermarkets and read the labels. I also avoid eating out as much as possible and I eat in the better quality places to avoid added sugar in food where you expect not to find sugar. Many of the fruits in Thailand are full of fructose. Mango, for instance, is a really bad example. You should avoid if you have diabetes or if you want to lose weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Proboscis said: Many of the fruits in Thailand are full of fructose Pomelo (som-oh) is an exception, and a very tasty one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laza 45 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Beware 'hom malie'.. Thai fragrant rice.. very high glycemic index ... even the brown variety.. I thought I was doing the right thing eating the brown variety but it is high gi as well.. Basmati is much better if you can find it.. https://www.tilda.com/live-well/basmati-rice-diabetes-dr-sarah-schenker/ Here is a good link if you want to know more about glycemic index.. https://www.wallerwellness.com/health-and-aging/understanding-glycemic-index Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougiemac57 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Sheryl said: You cannot "cure" diabetes but you can certainly get it better controlled with proper diet, for some people this will be sufficient to eliminate the need for medication, but not everyone. White rice is indeed a great offender as are all types of Thai noodles. Ditto beer which is pure carbs. Pretty much any alcohol except small amounts of dry wine is a bad idea. Most fruits are pretty high in sugar, berries are an exception and you can get them frozen at Big C, Tesco etc - good with (unsweetened) yogurt. While it is true that sugar is added in cooking most Thai dishes, for curries and stir fries the amount is pretty small. I think the big issue with Thai food is rice and noodles. If you can minimize those in favor of larger portions of the dishes, will greatly help. Weight loss if you are at all overweight, will make a big difference. And regular exercise is very, very important. People do vary in how sensitive they are to foods and which ones, so get a home monitor if you don't already have one and experiment a bit to see how different foods affect you. Type 2 diabetes can be cured so that you no longer need to take tablets!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkles Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Live and learn....potatoes,high in sugar,never knew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sparkles said: Live and learn....potatoes,high in sugar,never knew High in natural sugars which the body breaks down slowly like pasta. Although it’s best not advisable to eat too many potatoes as that can lead too weight gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiFelix Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Proboscis said: Many of the fruits in Thailand are full of fructose. Mango, for instance, is a really bad example. That might explain why my wife's doctor told her to avoid fruit but a google search for best food for diabetes all said fruit was good....results all from the west of course so Thai fruits are different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laza 45 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said: That might explain why my wife's doctor told her to avoid fruit but a google search for best food for diabetes all said fruit was good....results all from the west of course so Thai fruits are different. Mangos have GI of between 41 and 60.. placing them in the moderate range for GI.. most fruits are in the low to moderate range..except... surprisingly watermelon.. and dates which are high in carbohydrates.. If you scroll down in this link you will see fruits listed as low, medium & high GI.. https://www.livestrong.com/article/278384-the-glycemic-index-for-fruits/# This one has some interesting facts about mangos.. https://www.verywellfit.com/carbs-in-mangoes-2241802 Glycemic load is also important to look at... the size of the serving makes a difference.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 8 hours ago, Bonobojt said: ok maybe cure is the wrong word, its been scientifically proven you can 'Reverse' type 2 diabetes with a whole foods plant based diet It has not been, and you cannot. You can control it, to varying degrees, in some cases to the point where no medication necessary, but you have to maintain the new diet permanently. Not the same thing as "reversal" or "cure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFinish Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Been T-2 13 yrs, BMI 23, jog 20-25 mi/wk, A1c last tested at 5.7 so very close to start reducing meds (taking 10mg glipizide and 1700mg /day) glipizide is cheap here. things to consider: ketogenic diet paleo diet SCD diet "leaky gut" intermittent fasting like 48hours 1 or 2 times/mo (gives liver a rest) Im also reading lately of benefits of bone broth which im trying now too. limit empty calories, focus on nutrient rich food. None of this is directly responding to OP about Thai food or Asia as such, just be very careful what u eat. good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 23 hours ago, Iforbach said: whilst theres lots info on line ..i just want some tips hey it could below carb beer etc Cut out all hi carbohydrate food, bread, rice, pasta, potato etc. Low carbohydrate food or food that combines carbohydrate and fibre like green vegetables are OK. Cut out all added sugar (so almost no processed food and very little Thai food unless home made) Cut out all soft drinks, the sugar or artificial sweeteners are not good, and all fruit juice the sugar level is extremely high (higher than Coke) even with no added sugar and the dietary finer is gone. You are also quite capable of drinking the juice of 8 oranges in a few minutes (none of the fibre), while you probably couldn't eat that many in a day. Fruit in moderation is good. A beer once or twice a month would not be a big problem Get your BMI under 30 and under 25 is even better You may be able to get off all medication reasonably quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, IFinish said: things to consider: ketogenic diet paleo diet SCD diet "leaky gut" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 23 hours ago, simple1 said: For a start beware of white rice, eat small quantities. Quite a lot of Thai food has high levels of sugar stirred in during preparation. So good idea to learn some relevant Thai to request little / no sugar and so on. BTW phonetic Thai for diabetes is "Barwaan". If you are struggling to control your blood sugar levels, ask a doctor whether Janumet / Jardiance is also advisable for you What is janumet. My husband just can't seem to get his levels down no matter what we do. He's got so thin now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, greenchair said: What is janumet. My husband just can't seem to get his levels down no matter what we do. He's got so thin now. Out of control diabetes is high risk, so rather than self medicate arrange a review with a specialist for your husband. Can I suggest you post your city / town and 'Sherryl' should be able to recommend one or two specialists to contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, jamie2009 said: 2 hours ago, Sparkles said: Live and learn....potatoes,high in sugar,never knew High in natural sugars which the body breaks down slowly like pasta. Although it’s best not advisable to eat too many potatoes as that can lead too weight gain. Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iforbach Posted July 28, 2018 Author Share Posted July 28, 2018 Thank u all for advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said: Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate. Sugars are also carbohydrates. There are 2 types of carbs: sugars and starches. Starches are slightly more complex molecules but break down quickly into sugars. Intake of both sugars and starches (i.e. all carbs) need to be controlled in diabetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patanawet Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Vacuum said: Pomelo (som-oh) is an exception, and a very tasty one at that. Isn't pomelo, like grapefruit, to be avoided as it negates the effects of diabetes medication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patanawet Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said: Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate. Pasta was demonstrated by a doctor on a BBC programme to transform from high GI to low if left overnight and the reheated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boyd Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I was eating one pomegranate a day, my sugar shot up 2 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffkp Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 16 hours ago, Bonobojt said: you can cure diabetes with a certain healthy diet, if you want to know more then send me a message and I'll send you some information There is no cure for type 2 diabetes. At best, you can manage your disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie2009 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, sometimewoodworker said: Neither potato nor pasta have much (or any) natural sugars. They are both high in carbohydrate. Carbohydrates are made up of starch, fibre and sugar, both pasta and potatoes are a good fuel for energy, irrespective if your diabetic or not, everything in moderation, you can’t live a sugar free life. My daughter has been a ID diabetic for over 30 years and pasta and jacket potatoes were included in her diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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