UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[melvinmelvin]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

There wouldn't be much speculation if the government honoured its promise of lifetime votes for expats.

 

The biggest decision for the UK in recent times was based on 1.38 percent of the electorate. "Margin of error" is not in the brexiteer vocabulary.

 

1.38 % of electorate? Not much.

 

How you go about arriving at that figure?

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Still trying to find a way out.

"Now maybe now you can explain to us why deceitful actions by the EU are so much more important to brexiteers than deceitful actions by the UK government."

 

Way out of what?

 

Pages ago you posted this:

 

  On 9/25/2018 at 9:41 AM, sandyf said:

The future path of the EEC/EU was laid out at the leaders meeting in Dec 1969 and the UK parliament would have been fully aware of that path when they voted to join the "Community" on 28th Oct 1971.

Obviously Heath and Junker were on the same page, just that no one has brought out a quote by Heath.

Those that want to hang the EU out to dry should be looking a lot closer to home.

 

Just because a course of action is not laid out in detail does not make it the wrong course of action.

 

= = =

 

I provided a quote from Heath to show his deception. Your question re "deceitful actions" was added in a later post and I have not said those by the EU are more "important" than those of the UK.  

[My Thai Life]

For some reason May keeps reiterating the EU line that Free Trade agreement requires a border in the Irish Sea. Well "There is a technical solution to keeping an open border in Ireland after Brexit, a customs expert has suggested. Lars Karlsson, a former senior officer in Swedish customs, was giving evidence to the Commons Brexit committee." This is the basis of what Johnson and Rees-Mogg have proposed.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43473807

[JAG]

On 9/26/2018 at 2:35 PM, CG1 Blue said:

"we as Eu members can vote to maybe accept you again . at our terms and condition"

You clearly don't know the British people if you think we would agree to be even more subservient to the EU.

 

"Britain alwys stoppedEu from moving forward"

I'm interested to hear how you want the EU to move forward now that Britain will no longer be holding it back. Do you want a United States of Europe led by Juncker or his successor?

 

"Britain is not so important , like it thinks"

Please tell us about your important country, and what it has contributed to the world.

 

On 9/27/2018 at 10:35 AM, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

He/She's probably Belgian ???? . 

Well yes, jolly good Beer, smashing choccolate and, er...er...yes, jolly good beer!

[JAG]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

There wouldn't be much speculation if the government honoured its promise of lifetime votes for expats.

 

The biggest decision for the UK in recent times was based on 1.38 percent of the electorate. "Margin of error" is not in the brexiteer vocabulary.

 

HaHa, bleeding Ha...

Of all the arguments!

 

We can, of course, all expect that if a majority of 1.38% had voted to stay in the EU you would of course been pursuing a rerun, "Margin of error" not being in the vocabulary...

[aright]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

 

it's only pro EU from your viewpoint, most remainers see the BBC in particular as being pro leave

 

Thanks for the lead in to the BBC. Mods please forgive.....this is completely off topic and I didn't know where to put it but it is a stunning BBC commercial I wanted to share. I am sure many will enjoy.

<http://www.youtube.com/embed/ auSo1MyWf8g?rel=0

[kwilco]

5 hours ago, rixalex said:

Just more of the usual patronising stuff from you about how all the people who just happen to hold the same opinion as you, are the informed, well-read ones who have a balanced and intelligent view of the world, and all those whose opinion is different from you, are the old, misinformed, biased, brainwashed hasbeens.

 

If you really are as open minded as you claim, reading from sources that contradict your own viewpoint, it doesn't show from your utter lack of understanding and respect for those with a different opinion to you.

respect is something you earn - if you believe in something a daft as Brexit, you'll find it hard to get respect.

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

 

it's only pro EU from your viewpoint, most remainers see the BBC in particular as being pro leave

 

Really?

 

It's an obvious mis-comprehension to believe that the BBC is pro-leave! ????

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, kwilco said:

respect is something you earn - if you believe in something a daft as Brexit, you'll find it hard to get respect.

In the same way as posters like you deserve no respect ????.

 

Some of us are able to discuss and point out obvious errors - without insulting other posters.

 

For some reason, this is beyond your 'scope'.....

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

22 minutes ago, kwilco said:

respect is something you earn - if you believe in something a daft as Brexit, you'll find it hard to get respect.

Ha! Sure, whereas believing in that golden institution called the EU practically entitles you to 'prodigy' status. Sheesh...

Brexit is daft in your eyes and a great many others' yes, but that's it, it is an opinion, not a fact. Equally many (or more as the case may be) people including lots of intelligent and eminent characters in varied fields have endorsed Brexit for a multitude of reasons. Remove yourself from your echo chamber and realise that a difference of opinion shouldn't render another devoid of one's 'respect'. Furthermore if you've got nothing constructive to add to the conversation and you can't competently make an argument for or against either side, then why bother commenting with drivel such as you have above? Think it, don't type it ????, spare the rest of us.

Edited September 28, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[rixalex]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

respect is something you earn - if you believe in something a daft as Brexit, you'll find it hard to get respect.

Looking down your noses is what brought about Brexit in the first place.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

respect is something you earn - if you believe in something a daft as Brexit, you'll find it hard to get respect.

 

And if the EU had earned the respect of the British, we might not be wanting to leave it, eh? 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

1.38 % of electorate? Not much.

 

How you go about arriving at that figure?

If around 634K had voted the other way it would have been a different result and the electorate is over 45 million.

[MrPatrickThai]

get on with it, we had the vote

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

7 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

get on with it, we had the vote

Right!

 

About the only point that counts. 

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, JAG said:

 

HaHa, bleeding Ha...

Of all the arguments!

 

We can, of course, all expect that if a majority of 1.38% had voted to stay in the EU you would of course been pursuing a rerun, "Margin of error" not being in the vocabulary...

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards. Referendums have no useful function in UK national politics and brexit has shown without any shadow of doubt how dangerous they can be. There is a very good reason why only 3 have ever been held and it is almost certain there will never be another one.

[mommysboy]

19 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If around 634K had voted the other way it would have been a different result and the electorate is over 45 million.

 

There's no doubt that Leave won. Even now there has not been a change of heart. In my view, a second Brexit referendum is out of the question. Even with all the ifs and ands, the best that could be achieved by Remain would be another stalemate.  We're best off dealing with this stalemate really. 

 

One point of agreement might be that Brexit can not go ahead without a deal/ acceptable deal- to do otherwise would reward incompetence and duplicity in my view.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-eu-referendum-vote-remain-poll-uk-leave-a8558446.html

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by mommysboy

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards. Referendums have no useful function in UK national politics and brexit has shown without any shadow of doubt how dangerous they can be. There is a very good reason why only 3 have ever been held and it is almost certain there will never be another one.

Agreed on that much! The establishment learnt in 2016, to their chagrin, that the public don't always do as they're instructed. Last time us bottom-feeders will get to decide on anything ever again.

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

Agreed on that much! The establishment learnt in 2016, to their chagrin, that the public don't always do as they're instructed. Last time us bottom-feeders will get to decide on anything ever again.

 

A sort of "Benthic Brexit" then?

[mommysboy]

23 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

get on with it, we had the vote

 

Ah you see, getting on with it is the stumbling block...may I ask where you have been?????

 

Do you mean get on with it with no deal? a Norway deal? or do you prefer to just get on with it in a nebulous, non defined, you know just get on with it sort of way?????

Edited September 28, 2018 by mommysboy

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

And if the EU had earned the respect of the British, we might not be wanting to leave it, eh? 

Like many it would appear you have difficulty in discerning the difference between earned respect and gullibility.

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

A sort of "Benthic Brexit" then?

You could put it that way. I know a greeeeeat many Remainers including most of the political class thought of it in those terms. ???? 

Edited September 28, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

18 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Another major global company expands it's UK presence 'despite' Brexit....

 

Long-suffering UK savers could soon see higher returns, as one of Wall Street's swankiest banks boosts its presence on this side of the Atlantic.

Goldman Sachs is well-known for its investment bank in London, but from Thursday it will also offer a savings account to members of the public.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45652906

 

Stay away then! ☠️

Mine was meant to be a pro-Brexit comment.  Misunderstanding?

 

GS are expanding their offering in the UK.  And MSM always like to use the word 'despite' before Brexit

[nauseus]

17 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Like many it would appear you have difficulty in discerning the difference between earned respect and gullibility.

Er. Right.  

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Mine was meant to be a pro-Brexit comment.  Misunderstanding?

 

GS are expanding their offering in the UK.  And MSM always like to use the word 'despite' before Brexit

 

I mean I would steer clear of GS, Brexit aside. 

[tebee]

Boris Johnson’s ‘SuperCanada’ proposal is super flawed

 

https://infacts.org/boris-johnsons-supercanada-proposal-is-super-flawed/

[JAG]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards. Referendums have no useful function in UK national politics and brexit has shown without any shadow of doubt how dangerous they can be. There is a very good reason why only 3 have ever been held and it is almost certain there will never be another one.

I was not making a judgement, by anybody's standards. I was making a comment on what you said. If the vote had been as close the other way, what would have been your position vis-a-vis a rerun? I doubt if you would have argued for one.

 

As for the place of referendums in our democracy, they do serve some purpose, if only to pose a binary question  the result of which highlights how our elected representatives can sometimes be out of step with the views of the electorate. Prior to the referendum all major UK parties were very much in favour of remaining in the EU. The referendum rather showed that the electorate ( or those that were sufficiently bothered to  vote) weren't, albeit by a small majority. That to my mind is quite a useful constitutional purpose.

 

Ignoring a referendum result, either because you feel that it has no constitutional purpose or more pragmatically (honestly) because you disagree with it's result is a very bold step, and one for which I can see no constitutional justification

[aright]

4 hours ago, kwilco said:

respect is something you earn - if you believe in something a daft as Brexit, you'll find it hard to get respect.

Respect isn't about not having beliefs, it's about how your beliefs lead you to treat people who disagree with you. My self respect guides my morals, respect for others guides my manners...…..but I can see where you are coming from.

 

[BwindiBoy]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards. Referendums have no useful function in UK national politics and brexit has shown without any shadow of doubt how dangerous they can be. There is a very good reason why only 3 have ever been held and it is almost certain there will never be another one.

 

 

""...and it is almost certain there will never be another one."" ..... Yet, YOU appear to want another one. ???? ????

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, tebee said:

Boris Johnson’s ‘SuperCanada’ proposal is super flawed

 

https://infacts.org/boris-johnsons-supercanada-proposal-is-super-flawed/

 

All deals are essentially flawed since the EU will say no, and Labour and some rebels would very likely vote it down.  Our Brexit politicians don't seem to realise that.  And I'm not sure JC does either.

Edited September 28, 2018 by mommysboy