UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Funny that you have still not been able to hide that you are copying text from your Leningrad database. 

 

I suppose you are eager to dismantle the EU-27. I'm afraid for you, it's not going to happen. We all know how fruitless it is to be Russia-1, against the rest of the World-200. Yes, Russia has some good friends like Venezuela and Cuba, but not many more. Those Russian friends, with their Putin style of regiments are not doing that well at all. 

 

So yes, you can try to get countries to go against each other, by their "Football" teams. It's the whole different game, where we should play by the Ruskie rules. 

 

Sorry, we do love our western freedoms much too much to play the game the way Russian oligarchs have accustomed to win the game. We simply say no. It's that simple. 

As stated your the only person on this forum that keeps mentioning Leningrad  or Russia all that does is show everyone on here that your argument against my posts  Uk are weak so your only way forward is to mention Russia

Have you checked out the Stop possible second referendum on E.U. membership petition

 

Looks like the Germans are not willing to pay any extra into the EU Budget so your countryman are going to have to open their pockets and pay a substantial amount of extra money for EU membership

[vinny41]

Scots pay £64 net each to the EU but English pay £140 each

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/scots-pay-64-net-each-to-the-eu-but-english-pay-140-each/

[Guest]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Back in 1975 I voted with millions of other people to stay in the EEC. The EU as such did not physically exist but was certainly present and hiding in the minds of many PMs of a lot of countries at that time. Whilst they didn't actually lie they didn't tell the full story.

 

My vote in the UK has a direct result (or not) on which MP is elected in the constituency and how I would like the the country to be run.

 

However what I would like my government to do when the EU is in charge or making laws and IMPOSING the on all member countries becomes irrelevant as there are now 28 countries who have a say (not much of one I admit) and they can overrule my government easily.

 

What I want for my son and his family is for the decisions on how the country is run to be brought back under the control of the people who live in the UK and not be decided on their behalf by people who have no understanding of the British way of life. The UK currency has been around for a long time and I personally see no need to have a different currency IMPOSED on the UK by the EU.

 

I have no problem with tourists coming to the UK but I object to unqualified workers looking for a job and expecting to be supported by the UK while they do it. If you are qualified and have a job waiting for you the by all means come to the UK. If you want to live in the UK and you have the money to support yourself every year then come in, BUT pay your own way, as I do here in Thailand for example.

 

I along with millions of other people were lied to by politicians back then and if the British public had been told and understood where their decision would lead to may well have voted to remain outside.

 

A couple of years ago I was offered the opportunity to reverse my decision which I did and along with millions of others the UK started its road to Brexit. 

 

The Eu is now facing small rebellions by the Polish government who believe that they have the right to change the rules of law in their own country, by Italy who are fed up with being told what they must do with their own finance and now Germany has been told to pay more into the EU as there is not enough money left after Brexit.

 

"What should EU done better to avoid Brexit from happening?"

 

The EU should have listened and made changes and especially have clamped down on corruption, had open and transparency with their budgets AND lived within their means. They should have had a consensus instead of an imposition of rules and laws because quite simply there is no one size fits all countries.

 

"What should we do to make sure that after Brexit, we don't make the same mistake again?"

 

It won't make any difference after Brexit as the EU will carry on its merry way to an eventual breakup or possibly reform as two parts, the richer and the poorer countries.

 

As a Common Market it was a great plan but then it morphed into the uncontrollable monster that became the EU. Until the member countries can control it IMHO it is heading for a breakup.

 

I really don't want my country, the UK, to be around when that happens.

Thank you for your honest answer. When we start talking to each other with honesty, regardless do we agree or not, these are the first steps forward and finding agreable solutions, which are good enough for both ideologies.

 

I fully agree that our EU should clamp down corruption. It's actually doing that with the cases of Greece and now with Italy. EU, using it's powers does push these countries to lessen their budgetary corruption. 

 

The same is actually with the UK. UK has real problem with the trusts their people are able to run and benefit, without being subjected to the taxes, which ordinary people has to pay. These trusts, which are for a reason, I don't understand, accepted by the British people in general, taxation heavens, made for the 1 percenters to keep their money's save, out of the reach of the government taxations. That's money taken from the common working people. Taken from the 99% of the population.

 

EU pushes to get these super rich folks to pay their taxes. It's natural that some of the super rich people are going to fight against ordinary people to get fairer policies. 

 

So I guess we see what EU is and what EU does, in very different lights. For me EU does protect us from the Mogg's who only think about themselves. Perhaps it's the opposite what you think on your end.

 

[fanjita]

Can't wait for no deal which is the best deal on the table.  It's that simple.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Scots pay £64 net each to the EU but English pay £140 each

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/scots-pay-64-net-each-to-the-eu-but-english-pay-140-each/

England had some large EU funded science centres in England prior the brexit bell rung. Each Euro spent to EU comes back as more valuable amount of services and intellectual rights. 

 

I guess Russia would love to spend a lot of money to be part of the EU? Unfortunately it can't be part of the EU as long as it's been run by Putin and his criminal friends. 

[mommysboy]

3 minutes ago, fanjita said:

Can't wait for no deal which is the best deal on the table.  It's that simple.

No will = No exit.

 

Rightly so.

[mommysboy]

EU citizens to vote in UK elections (says leading Brexiter)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/25/leading-brexiter-claims-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-be-given-voting-rights

 

They won't vote Tory that's for sure. And I guess if there is future referendum/vote on a deal I think we can safely predict where the mark will fall.

 

On the other hand we could sound the BS alert, given his track record.

Edited October 27, 2018 by mommysboy

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

When?

 

Everything belongs to the UK. The country which devolves has to make its own way. 

If the England-Wales still pushes and manages to get out of EU, the time for separation of both Scotland and Northern Ireland from the UK will happen in 5 years time.

 

When UK no longer exists, then the question of Falkland Islands, Gibraltar and other UK previously owned territories will become a dispute. 

 

But those are the things we'll be talking here after 5 years or so. Let's act then like surprised individuals, who'll keep on repeating 'Nobody could have expected this when Brexit happened 5 years ago!'. 

[vinny41]

Speech on Brexit by AfD leader Alice Weidel in German parliament (Bundestag), English subtitles

 

[vinny41]

Brexit Could Open the Door to Russia Joining the EU

 

Britain’s exit from the European Union opens the door to a possible Russian entry—a “Rentry” or perhaps “Russ-in”—into the (now) 27-member club. While it could take years, even decades, before the Russian Federation could meet all the criteria under the so-called Copenhagen Criteria to join the EU as a full member, it is far more likely to occur now with the U.K. out of the picture.

Tempting Russia with EU membership would do far more to elicit better behavior from Moscow than the weak economic sanctions the EU currently imposes on it. Russia’s entry would not only be a boon for trade in the region, but it would also finally make Europe a true superpower with the ability to take on China and the U.S. both economically and militarily.

At first blush, it might crazy to think “Rentry” could happen. After all, tensions between Russia and the EU are arguably at their highest level since the end of the Cold War. Last week, amid Russia’s continued aggression in the Ukraine, the EU extended its long-running banking sanctions against Moscow for another year.

Retaliatory Russian sanctions against EU foodstuffs will remain in effect as well, costing the EU agri-food sector billions of euros in lost revenue. Meanwhile, net foreign direct investment flows between Russia and Europe are now at their lowest level in nearly two decades, going from $80 billion in 2013 to almost nil last year.

And if the economic tension wasn’t bad enough, the Baltic states and Poland, which are all EU (and NATO) members, have increased their defense spending considerably following Russia’s invasion of the Crimea two years ago. They are increasingly concerned that Vladimir Putin, Russia’s long-standing leader, might try to reenact the opening scene of World War II and invade their territories. This might be paranoid, but it’s not totally off-base.

 

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Still, despite the increased tensions and simultaneous crash in energy prices, Russia remains the EU’s fourth-largest trading partner and the EU continues to be Russia’s biggest trading partner; total trade between the two was nearly €209 billion in 2015, according to figures from the European Commission.

If energy prices rebound, which will happen sooner or later, those trade figures will explode. Back in 2012, before energy prices crashed and before sanctions were imposed, annual trade between the two equaled €338 billion, making Russia the EU’s third largest trading partner behind the U.S. and China. If there was truly free trade and open borders between Russia and Europe, that number could easily double or triple in just a few years.

It will be hard for the sides to continue dismissing each other given their close geographical proximity and historical ties. Indeed, half of the European Union was either directly or indirectly ruled from Moscow at some point in the last century. As such, much of the infrastructure needed for trade—such as pipelines, roads, and railroads—are already connected. Today, Russia supplies nearly all he natural gas for many of the eastern members of the EU, as well as the bulk of Germany’s needs. As Germany continues to retire its nuclear and coal power plants, this link will only grow more important.

 

 

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The number one issue hurting the relationship between the EU and Russia today is the Ukraine controversy. Russia’s invasion and subsequent annexation of Crimea was truly shocking and inexcusable. But while much of Europe disapproved of Russia’s aggression, few countries—especially those in the east that are reliant on Russian gas—were willing to jeopardize their close trading relationship.

Leading the charge for sanctions and a more confrontational relationship with Russia was the EU member that traded the least with Russia: the United Kingdom. The U.K. was the only EU signatory of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which obligated the U.K., the U.S., and Russia to give security assurances protecting the territorial integrity and political independence of Ukraine. In exchange, Ukraine agreed to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and hand over its legacy Soviet nuclear missiles to Russia, where they could be better monitored and contained.

When Russia forcibly annexed the Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, the U.K. government was obligated to respond, amid what was clearly a violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity (by a signatory of the Budapest Memorandum, no less). Britain was unwilling to go to war with the Russians over Crimea, however, so it instead pushed its fellow EU members to join it in levying economic sanctions against Russia. The rest of the EU, which remain far more reliant on Russian trade than the U.K., ultimately agreed to minor economic sanctions in a bid to support the U.K. and express displeasure over Russia’s aggression.

While most of the sanctions were economically insignificant, they did have a big negative impact on Russian public sentiment toward the EU. When recently asked if they would want their country to join the EU, 67% of Russians surveyed said they were against it, with only 18% in favor of it occurring anytime in the next 20 years, according to DW-Trend, a monthly survey of Russians carried out for the German media company Deutsche Welle.

But public opinion, on this issue in particular, is fickle. Back in December 2010, some 54% of the Russian public said they were in favor of their country joining the EU within the next 20 years—with a third believing it could happen within the next five years. Clearly that didn’t come to pass, but the survey shows that Russians don’t have a fundamental problem with joining the EU—they are just upset with the EU at the moment.

This row between Russia and the EU is fleeting and Russia knows it is time to make amends. “Sooner or later common sense will prevail and sanctions will be lifted,” Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s Prime Minister and former President saidearlier this year. “But for this to happen we need to make steps toward each other.”

With Brexit now really happening, the EU and Russia have an opportunity to mend their relationship and seek peaceful co-existence through diplomatic and positive reinforcement, instead of through sanctions and posturing.

“Without the U.K. in the EU, there will no longer be anyone so zealously standing up for sanctions against us,” Sergei Sobyanin, the influential mayor of Moscow, tweeted last week after Brexit was confirmed.

Public opinion toward the EU has been soured by Russian propaganda, but that can be quickly turned. The EU can now choose to offer Russia the opportunity to join, pacifying them through economic prosperity instead of via sanctions. It is a page ripped right out of President Obama’s playbook in his recent decision to drop the U.S. embargo on Cuba.

It is no coincidence, then, that European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker showed up at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum before the Brexit vote talking about “building bridges” between the EU and Russia. It was the first time since the Ukraine crisis broke out that Western officials have attended the event, which President Putin likes to think of as Russia’s Davos.

Nor was it a coincidence that Mr. Putin declared last week that America was the world’s superpower, downplaying Russia’s significance on the world stage. It was almost as if he was saying that Russia needed to join with others if they, or anyone else, wanted to counter the heft of the U.S. economic and military machine.

Now, a country doesn’t become a member of the EU overnight. It is a process that can take years—even decades—to complete. As of now, Russia would miserably fail a number of the 35 tests necessary to attain EU membership. But it wouldn’t fail on all of them, and if Russia starts the process with some wins, there would be pressure on the Kremlin to clean up its act so that Russia could finally reach EU membership.

It took Russia 18 years to negotiate its entry into the World Trade Organization—by far the longest negotiation in the WTO’s history. President Putin cancelled membership talks a few times, insulted the organization and its leaders often, and balked at making the necessary reforms for entry. But in the end he acquiesced and the two sides worked out a compromise, as joining the WTO was seen as vital for the country’s future growth and prosperity.

“Rentry” would probably require a similarly painful process but, in time, the two sides could come to an agreement. Russian EU membership would not only serve to revitalize the EU in what is a dark time for the club, it would also help modernize Russia and curb its abuse toward itself and others. There really is no downside here. It will just take patience and open minds in both camps to see this through.

http://fortune.com/2016/06/28/russia-brexit-eu-membership/

 

Looks Like Herr Juncker has already kicked off the process

http://fortune.com/2016/06/28/russia-brexit-eu-membership/

 

 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Speech on Brexit by AfD leader Alice Weidel in German parliament (Bundestag), English subtitles

 

 

Fron wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Weidel

Quote

Alice Elisabeth Weidel (born 6 February 1979) is a German politician serving as Leader of Alternative for Germany (AfD)

 

Alt right? In each of our European free societies, we have both alt-right as well as communist parties. These both parties are made of same kind of people. People who are unhappy of their lives and wish to blame eveybody else of their troubles, instead of looking at them selves, what could be the problem.

 

These are the people Leningrad forces are looking for. Angry people are easily manipulated to do the dirty work. They are the people who are most likely to buy the snake oil.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Brexit Could Open the Door to Russia Joining the EU

 

Britain’s exit from the European Union opens the door to a possible Russian entry—a “Rentry” or perhaps “Russ-in”—into the (now) 27-member club. While it could take years, even decades, before the Russian Federation could meet all the criteria under the so-called Copenhagen Criteria to join the EU as a full member, it is far more likely to occur now with the U.K. out of the picture.

Tempting Russia with EU membership would do far more to elicit better behavior from Moscow than the weak economic sanctions the EU currently imposes on it. Russia’s entry would not only be a boon for trade in the region, but it would also finally make Europe a true superpower with the ability to take on China and the U.S. both economically and militarily.

At first blush, it might crazy to think “Rentry” could happen. After all, tensions between Russia and the EU are arguably at their highest level since the end of the Cold War. Last week, amid Russia’s continued aggression in the Ukraine, the EU extended its long-running banking sanctions against Moscow for another year.

Retaliatory Russian sanctions against EU foodstuffs will remain in effect as well, costing the EU agri-food sector billions of euros in lost revenue. Meanwhile, net foreign direct investment flows between Russia and Europe are now at their lowest level in nearly two decades, going from $80 billion in 2013 to almost nil last year.

And if the economic tension wasn’t bad enough, the Baltic states and Poland, which are all EU (and NATO) members, have increased their defense spending considerably following Russia’s invasion of the Crimea two years ago. They are increasingly concerned that Vladimir Putin, Russia’s long-standing leader, might try to reenact the opening scene of World War II and invade their territories. This might be paranoid, but it’s not totally off-base.

 

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Still, despite the increased tensions and simultaneous crash in energy prices, Russia remains the EU’s fourth-largest trading partner and the EU continues to be Russia’s biggest trading partner; total trade between the two was nearly €209 billion in 2015, according to figures from the European Commission.

If energy prices rebound, which will happen sooner or later, those trade figures will explode. Back in 2012, before energy prices crashed and before sanctions were imposed, annual trade between the two equaled €338 billion, making Russia the EU’s third largest trading partner behind the U.S. and China. If there was truly free trade and open borders between Russia and Europe, that number could easily double or triple in just a few years.

It will be hard for the sides to continue dismissing each other given their close geographical proximity and historical ties. Indeed, half of the European Union was either directly or indirectly ruled from Moscow at some point in the last century. As such, much of the infrastructure needed for trade—such as pipelines, roads, and railroads—are already connected. Today, Russia supplies nearly all he natural gas for many of the eastern members of the EU, as well as the bulk of Germany’s needs. As Germany continues to retire its nuclear and coal power plants, this link will only grow more important.

 

 

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The number one issue hurting the relationship between the EU and Russia today is the Ukraine controversy. Russia’s invasion and subsequent annexation of Crimea was truly shocking and inexcusable. But while much of Europe disapproved of Russia’s aggression, few countries—especially those in the east that are reliant on Russian gas—were willing to jeopardize their close trading relationship.

Leading the charge for sanctions and a more confrontational relationship with Russia was the EU member that traded the least with Russia: the United Kingdom. The U.K. was the only EU signatory of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which obligated the U.K., the U.S., and Russia to give security assurances protecting the territorial integrity and political independence of Ukraine. In exchange, Ukraine agreed to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and hand over its legacy Soviet nuclear missiles to Russia, where they could be better monitored and contained.

When Russia forcibly annexed the Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, the U.K. government was obligated to respond, amid what was clearly a violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity (by a signatory of the Budapest Memorandum, no less). Britain was unwilling to go to war with the Russians over Crimea, however, so it instead pushed its fellow EU members to join it in levying economic sanctions against Russia. The rest of the EU, which remain far more reliant on Russian trade than the U.K., ultimately agreed to minor economic sanctions in a bid to support the U.K. and express displeasure over Russia’s aggression.

While most of the sanctions were economically insignificant, they did have a big negative impact on Russian public sentiment toward the EU. When recently asked if they would want their country to join the EU, 67% of Russians surveyed said they were against it, with only 18% in favor of it occurring anytime in the next 20 years, according to DW-Trend, a monthly survey of Russians carried out for the German media company Deutsche Welle.

But public opinion, on this issue in particular, is fickle. Back in December 2010, some 54% of the Russian public said they were in favor of their country joining the EU within the next 20 years—with a third believing it could happen within the next five years. Clearly that didn’t come to pass, but the survey shows that Russians don’t have a fundamental problem with joining the EU—they are just upset with the EU at the moment.

This row between Russia and the EU is fleeting and Russia knows it is time to make amends. “Sooner or later common sense will prevail and sanctions will be lifted,” Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s Prime Minister and former President saidearlier this year. “But for this to happen we need to make steps toward each other.”

With Brexit now really happening, the EU and Russia have an opportunity to mend their relationship and seek peaceful co-existence through diplomatic and positive reinforcement, instead of through sanctions and posturing.

“Without the U.K. in the EU, there will no longer be anyone so zealously standing up for sanctions against us,” Sergei Sobyanin, the influential mayor of Moscow, tweeted last week after Brexit was confirmed.

Public opinion toward the EU has been soured by Russian propaganda, but that can be quickly turned. The EU can now choose to offer Russia the opportunity to join, pacifying them through economic prosperity instead of via sanctions. It is a page ripped right out of President Obama’s playbook in his recent decision to drop the U.S. embargo on Cuba.

It is no coincidence, then, that European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker showed up at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum before the Brexit vote talking about “building bridges” between the EU and Russia. It was the first time since the Ukraine crisis broke out that Western officials have attended the event, which President Putin likes to think of as Russia’s Davos.

Nor was it a coincidence that Mr. Putin declared last week that America was the world’s superpower, downplaying Russia’s significance on the world stage. It was almost as if he was saying that Russia needed to join with others if they, or anyone else, wanted to counter the heft of the U.S. economic and military machine.

Now, a country doesn’t become a member of the EU overnight. It is a process that can take years—even decades—to complete. As of now, Russia would miserably fail a number of the 35 tests necessary to attain EU membership. But it wouldn’t fail on all of them, and if Russia starts the process with some wins, there would be pressure on the Kremlin to clean up its act so that Russia could finally reach EU membership.

It took Russia 18 years to negotiate its entry into the World Trade Organization—by far the longest negotiation in the WTO’s history. President Putin cancelled membership talks a few times, insulted the organization and its leaders often, and balked at making the necessary reforms for entry. But in the end he acquiesced and the two sides worked out a compromise, as joining the WTO was seen as vital for the country’s future growth and prosperity.

“Rentry” would probably require a similarly painful process but, in time, the two sides could come to an agreement. Russian EU membership would not only serve to revitalize the EU in what is a dark time for the club, it would also help modernize Russia and curb its abuse toward itself and others. There really is no downside here. It will just take patience and open minds in both camps to see this through.

http://fortune.com/2016/06/28/russia-brexit-eu-membership/

 

Looks Like Herr Juncker has already kicked off the process

http://fortune.com/2016/06/28/russia-brexit-eu-membership/

 

 

How about a Russ Conway? ????

[Guest]

Russia is just like Turkey. Russia and Turkey are both simply not advanced enough countries to join the EU. Too violent, too primitive with their societies. 

 

Both of those countries are also too large for EU to have capability to reform the countries to become modern day countries EU can handle. 

 

Heck, we have even problems with smaller countries like Greece and Italy. We need to get these countries in control, before we can think of expanding out borders further on. 

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, oilinki said:

 

Fron wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Weidel

 

Alt right? In each of our European free societies, we have both alt-right as well as communist parties. These both parties are made of same kind of people. People who are unhappy of their lives and wish to blame eveybody else of their troubles, instead of looking at them selves, what could be the problem.

 

These are the people Leningrad forces are looking for. Angry people are easily manipulated to do the dirty work. They are the people who are most likely to buy the snake oil.

You forget to include the Lefties in your list

[mommysboy]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How about a Russ Conway? ????

'At first blush, it might crazy to think “Rentry” could happen.'

 

You can say that again!

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

You forget to include the Lefties in your list

I did mention Leningrad forces. Tradidional leftists, who are now pushing for oliargh or alt-right or neo liberal agendas. 

 

I can understand people without morals, being paid by the billionaires, supporting their agendas. I don't understand the people who want to live their lives, supporting their agendas.

 

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I did mention Leningrad forces. Tradidional leftists, who are now pushing for oliargh or alt-right or neo liberal agendas. 

 

I can understand people without morals, being paid by the billionaires, supporting their agendas. I don't understand the people who want to live their lives, supporting their agendas.

 

But no mention of the Left Alliance (Finland)   The Left Alliance has a strongly Eurosceptic wing

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

But no mention of the Left Alliance (Finland)   The Left Alliance has a strongly Eurosceptic wing

Both of the extremist sides are Eurosceptic. That's nothing new. Both extreme left and alt right are made of similar kind of people, who are just against everything. Not the sharpest ones. They are not the people who are developing new. They are just like most of the Russian people who unfortunately has been formed to become easily manipulated after decades of suppression.

 

Would you like to see your people to be free innovative minds? I think that would be good for Russia. There are loads of brilliant minds, who could take the world by storm, if only given the possibility to be part of the global community. Too bad Putin doesn't like the idea as it would weaken his position. 

 

 

 

[tebee]

A self-destructive madness grips the U.K. as a no-deal Brexit looms

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-a-self-destructive-madness-grips-the-uk-as-a-no-deal-brexit-looms/

[mommysboy]

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

A self-destructive madness grips the U.K. as a no-deal Brexit looms

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-a-self-destructive-madness-grips-the-uk-as-a-no-deal-brexit-looms/

 

To quote: 'For the people who dreamed up Brexit, its patriotism was always a lie, an appeal to a national myth of struggle and victory – Churchill’s “sunlit uplands,” the defeat of the Spanish Armada, the Empire. What they wanted was a low-tax, offshore Singapore, conveniently ignoring the real British economy.'

 

And one that doesn't include Scotland or N.Ireland imo.

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Both of the extremist sides are Eurosceptic. That's nothing new. Both extreme left and alt right are made of similar kind of people, who are just against everything. Not the sharpest ones. They are not the people who are developing new. They are just like most of the Russian people who unfortunately has been formed to become easily manipulated after decades of suppression.

 

Would you like to see your people to be free innovative minds? I think that would be good for Russia. There are loads of brilliant minds, who could take the world by storm, if only given the possibility to be part of the global community. Too bad Putin doesn't like the idea as it would weaken his position. 

 

 

 

Carry on with the Russia comments I don't mind  your just making a complete fool of yourself to everyone else that views these forums  I could respond in kind with such comments as Does you mother know your using the computer but I wouldn't  lower myself to your standards. I think your the type of person that wants to control the content and outcome on this topic and anyone that posts information you don't agree with you try to discredit If you don't like my posts you can add me to your ignore list but we both know you wouldn't because you still want to control the content of this topic

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

To quote: 'For the people who dreamed up Brexit, its patriotism was always a lie, an appeal to a national myth of struggle and victory – Churchill’s “sunlit uplands,” the defeat of the Spanish Armada, the Empire. What they wanted was a low-tax, offshore Singapore, conveniently ignoring the real British economy.'

 

And one that doesn't include Scotland or N.Ireland imo.

Tyoical of an article from someone that works for George Osbourne and the Evening Standard a newspaper that they struggle to giveway free

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Carry on with the Russia comments I don't mind  your just making a complete fool of yourself to everyone else that views these forums  I could respond in kind with such comments as Does you mother know your using the computer but I wouldn't  lower myself to your standards. I think your the type of person that wants to control the content and outcome on this topic and anyone that posts information you don't agree with you try to discredit If you don't like my posts you can add me to your ignore list but we both know you wouldn't because you still want to control the content of this topic

My aim is pure and simple to remind people that we have Russian minded trolls among us. We also have genuinely worried Brits, who never want anything bad to happen to their country, even if they are avid brexiteers. I might disagree with them, but I also admire their ideas at the same time.

 

They are the people whose voices and fears need to be heard and to be addressed. 

 

But when we have people, who pretend to be something else than they really are, that is a whole different ball game. I have put some of the most nauseating members to my ignore list. I haven't put your account to that list for a good reason. Your account represents the fooliness of your ideology.

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

My aim is pure and simple to remind people that we have Russian minded trolls among us. We also have genuinely worried Brits, who never want anything bad to happen to their country, even if they are avid brexiteers. I might disagree with them, but I also admire their ideas at the same time.

 

They are the people whose voices and fears need to be heard and to be addressed. 

 

But when we have people, who pretend to be something else than they really are, that is a whole different ball game. I have put some of the most nauseating members to my ignore list. I haven't put your account to that list for a good reason. Your account represents the fooliness of your ideology.

And course if anyone was to ask you to produce evidence of Russian minded trolls on this forum you can't , other than you want to control the narrative of this topic to suit your own agenda as stated with you its all about Control Control and Control

[vinny41]

19 hours ago, kwilco said:

Brexit jinhoists are paparticularly fond of erroneous references to famous historical characters....

Let's set a few facts straight about remainer Churchill.

 

https://infacts.org/eu-founding-father-churchill-would-vote-against-brexit/?fbclid=IwAR0Z4XsgfqeXpg5GZCbkCr_X4DdadtLepf7qtqqAHf5hIbyupEEFYUG1JSc

When you went down your search on what famous historical characters would think of Brexit I am surprise you didn't come across this one

Hitler is told the UK have voted to Brexit the EU

 

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17 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And course if anyone was to ask you to produce evidence of Russian minded trolls on this forum you can't , other than you want to control the narrative of this topic to suit your own agenda as stated with you its all about Control Control and Control

The fun part of being against Ruskie trolls is that we can actually have the similar kind of fun as the Ruskie trolls are having, when they do their work against western world. 

 

 

[vinny41]

Here's someone else making themselves look rather silly

Varadkar's Dig at Britain Leaves Him Looking Silly

Have paid back all we borrowed from @IMFNews plus interest & early. Ireland has no budget deficit now and we have a Rainy Day Fund. Happy to do same for UK and help them out financially in the future if they need it for some reason...

 

The Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar tweeted this out on Friday night with a cheeky dig at Brexiting Britain’s supposed future problems. The only problems with his tweet are:

• Ireland hasn’t repaid all its debts arising from the credit crisis
• Britain lent* Ireland £3.2 billion during the credit crunch
• Ireland will be paying interest to HM Treasury until the loan matures in March 2021. The latest interest payment for £41,769,173.47 was received last June.

Ireland is the poster boy for recovering from the credit crisis – they actually cut spending double digits during two years of genuine austerity economics – and now growth this year is expected to be 4%. The Taoiseach still seems a little shaky on the facts and lacking in humility…

*Guido wonders if “lent” is really the right term for sending £3.2 billion to the Irish Treasury which then went straight back across the Irish Sea to bail out British banks like Barclays and RBS who hade made bad investments in Ireland. Sticking the bill on the Irish taxpayer.

https://order-order.com/2018/10/22/varadkars-dig-britain-leaves-looking-silly/

[kwilco]

Not all Brexiteers are racists, but all racists are Brexiteers....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-punched-racist-attack-london-overground-speaking-spanish-tfl-police-a8604436.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2FIGQ3DqtZZ-9pucg_dUBIzKvMH8GR4d2NqI-6527vbPMwo_yHf1IZXDY#Echobox=1540657025

 

Is this the "England" they voted for?

[kwilco]

...and I note this is about a vote on membership.

 

[kwilco]

 Don't you think it's a bit odd that people living in a foreign country should want their home country to cut ties with foreign countries?