Trump revokes ex-CIA chief's security clearance, slamming critic

[Tug]

July 26? Is it getting hot Donald need a distraction do we there will be a lot of people rejoicing when you. Pass on the sooner the better btw

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, connda said:

The upper level executives, like Brennan, Rice, and Comey maintain their clearances for life.  The conventional thought being that their expertise could be tapped at a later time in as a consultant to those who needed the expertise. 

It's you against the world on this one. Not even Fox News backs you:

 

Trump revokes ex-CIA Director John Brennan's security clearance

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/15/trump-revokes-security-clearance-for-former-cia-director-john-brennan.html

Edited August 16, 2018 by bristolboy

[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The plot sickens.

 

Great avatar dude.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

You said "he no longer can" and thats completely false. The president has the authority to loop anyone in to classified information if necessary. Brennan can get interim clearance as well, so thats false. I dont want to argue semantics, your post stated and implied that Brennan was permanently "out" like that was a negative. Thats not true. Brennan can no longer use his security clearance credentials and "in the know" networks for spots on the media. He is now out of the loop and thats as it should be, unless hes required. 

 

If you read Scott's full post you should, emphasis on that word, understand what he was saying.

 

E.g. this sentence should tell you your claim 'completely false' is simply nonsense. " So, these guys don't get classified information.   They simply don't have to get a new clearance should they be called back for any reason, such as a terrorist attack.   "

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The plot sickens.

And, in Trump's case, the clot thickens.

 

You don't need any security clearance to come to the conclusions that Brennan did, but Trump and his little buttercups will be chuckling away to themselves saying "hur hur hur, we shore showed 'em!"

[UncleTouchyFingers]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

If you read Scott's full post you should, emphasis on that word, understand what he was saying.

 

E.g. this sentence should tell you your claim 'completely false' is simply nonsense. " So, these guys don't get classified information.   They simply don't have to get a new clearance should they be called back for any reason, such as a terrorist attack.   "

 

Reading comprehension is hard for you eh? 

 

Scott is saying that these guys, when they maintain their security clearance, do not get classified information (false) when they leave their post (false) so that that they simply do not have to get another security clearance when they are needed (false again). 

 

 

[UncleTouchyFingers]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Now, he abuses his power in a feeble, weak attempt top silence his critics.

 

LOL how in the blue hell is removing a partisan hacks security clearance in any way trying to silence him. 

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

LOL how in the blue hell is removing a partisan hacks security clearance in any way trying to silence him. 

The very fact of how you choose to characterize a critic of Trump's shows what wrong with Trump's actions.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

21 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The very fact of how you choose to characterize a critic of Trump's shows what wrong with Trump's actions.

 

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You sound like an extremely loyal devotee, of your spiritual master, the Mango Mussolini. You even speak like him. He appreciates and depends upon your loyalty to carry on with his nonsense, and to continue getting away with his extreme incompetence. Tiny Don. Making America less great by the day.

 

So he isn't silencing him like "spiderman" stated, you guys just don't like it and resort to ad-hom. 

[mcambl61]

4 hours ago, Scott said:

It's my understanding that the security clearance is only active when the person is called on for official business.   I had a security clearance from employment with the Dept of State which remained in effect when I left the job for another position.   The new employment was related to the Dept of State job.   I no longer was privy to any classified information, however, should I be called back, I would not have to get a new security clearance.  

 

So, these guys don't get classified information.   They simply don't have to get a new clearance should they be called back for any reason, such as a terrorist attack.  

 

There are way too many people that have security clearances after they left. really no justifiable reason to keep it except for a select few, and those reasons should be clearly listed and adhered to in a known procedure.

 

does anybody have details on how many clearances are still valid for people no longer in govt?

just curious

[mcambl61]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It was just a diversion. Everyone knows "trump" wouldn't be doing stuff like this to people that praise him. Don't you get that? This is BANANA REPUBLIC stuff. The USA can't hold itself up as any kind of good example of governance to the world anymore. This was Putin's plan along. Make the USA appear to be just as bad as his dictatorship. 

dictators are elected?

[Berkshire]

5 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

There are way too many people that have security clearances after they left. really no justifiable reason to keep it except for a select few, and those reasons should be clearly listed and adhered to in a known procedure.

 

does anybody have details on how many clearances are still valid for people no longer in govt?

just curious

This really has nothing to do with how security clearances are issued or revoked or retained after retirement.  It's about a dictator POTUS who is abusing his power by trying to silence critics.  Do you not see that? 

[UncleTouchyFingers]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

by trying to silence critics.

 

LOL

 

Again, how has Brennan been "silenced"?

[mcambl61]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

This really has nothing to do with how security clearances are issued or revoked or retained after retirement.  It's about a dictator POTUS who is abusing his power by trying to silence critics.  Do you not see that? 

Has Brennan been silenced?

 

examples please

[bristolboy]

33 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

 

So he isn't silencing him like "spiderman" stated, you guys just don't like it and resort to ad-hom. 

You better review your understanding of ad hominem since my comment in way qualified as such.

Here is my comment in its entirety:

"The very fact of how you choose to characterize a critic of Trump's shows what wrong with Trump's actions."

[Berkshire]

4 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Has Brennan been silenced?

 

examples please

It's amazing how you guys need to have everything explained.  In Trump's pea-sized brain, he thinks that "punishing" Brennan will prevent him from criticizing his administration.  But what this is really doing is discouraging others from speaking up, knowing that the orange orangutan may come after them.  Brennan is retired, he doesn't need his clearance.  But others who are still working and need their clearance to do their work may think twice about doing the right thing.     

[car720]

4 hours ago, Scott said:

It's my understanding that the security clearance is only active when the person is called on for official business.   I had a security clearance from employment with the Dept of State which remained in effect when I left the job for another position.   The new employment was related to the Dept of State job.   I no longer was privy to any classified information, however, should I be called back, I would not have to get a new security clearance.  

 

So, these guys don't get classified information.   They simply don't have to get a new clearance should they be called back for any reason, such as a terrorist attack.  

 

So we all know who not to tell any secrets too now.  

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

Has Brennan been silenced?

 

examples please

Brennan no. But it does send a message to other critics that they can be similarly punished not on the grounds that they are a national security risk but rather that they are exercising their right of free speech.

[mcambl61]

3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

It's amazing how you guys need to have everything explained.  In Trump's pea-sized brain, he thinks that "punishing" Brennan will prevent him from criticizing his administration.  But what this is really doing is discouraging others from speaking up, knowing that the orange orangutan may come after them.  Brennan is retired, he doesn't need his clearance.  But others who are still working and need their clearance to do their work may think twice about doing the right thing.     

"you guys"

 

you mean those that don't agree with your views?

 

Think twice about the silly insults and broad assumptions

[Berkshire]

Just now, mcambl61 said:

"you guys"

 

you mean those that don't agree with your views?

 

Think twice about the silly insults and broad assumptions

Trump minions who defend everything the treasonous moron does.  If you're not part of that tribe, good on you.

[bristolboy]

21 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

He hasn't. You know it, I know it, libnuts know it. If anything hes even louder now than he ever was. 

 

Isnt it hypocritical how liberals & never trumpers only care about MUH FREE SPEECH and MUH CONSTITUTION in certain contexts?

Even worse than that alleged bit of hypocrisy is how Trump supporters only care about the President's 1st Amendment rights.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, Spidey said:

As are BuaBS's emojis. So sad. ?

Yes, I think BuaBS must have quit his day job to add 'sad' to every post (and there are a lot of those!) that says something even remotely bad about his beloved president.

[johnnybangkok]

How difficult is this for you Trumpers to understand?

The guy is a vocal critic of Trump (for all the right reasons I may add) and instead of taking it on the chin like a normal, grown man, Trump decides to throw his toys out of the pram and revoke his security clearance to teach him a lesson. The revoking doesn't stop him from still criticizing Trump (and in fact might actually free him up to criticize him more) and the chances are he didn't really need the clearance (unless of course he is called in to advise on matters that he and only he is privy to in his old role as ex-Head of the CIA - then he will have to go through security clearance all over again) BUT it is widely seen as just petty and vindictive from a thin skinned buffoon POTUS.

This man (and many of the others Trump is now lining up for the same treatment) served the US with diligence, loyalty and with only the interest of the US at heart. Yet rather than criticise Trump for his petty actions, you are (yet again) defending the indefensible and trying to blame the victim rather than the perpetrator.

This is why it gets so frustrating debating with you guys as this man can literally do no wrong in your eyes when the undeniable facts tell you that he is doing an awful lot wrong.

You guys seriously need to have a look at your moral fortitude as it appears to be VERY lacking.     

[riclag]

As a professional courtesy , invoked many years ago, former intel agents and cabinet member's were granted to hold their security clearances upon retiring,in the event future admin's might rely  on their suggestions and  expertise  . While claiming to congressional committees,  *"CIA Director John Brennan also denied knowing the Clinton Campaign commissioned the Steele Dossier. He also denied ever relying on it. Both  of these statements are almost certainly untruthful". His alt extreme leftest deranged comments just added to his co conspirator status, in instigating what many say was a coup! 

Unfortunately this fascist  thought the current POTUS was a traitor,in America that carries a automatic death sentence. Together with his comments and conduct  he lost his credibility! The first among many ex Obama people that will be  loosing  their intel status with the federal government .

Next, the other 2  Career Professional's who  many say conspired in a coup.The three of them all had their hands in the Dossier/Fisa cookie jar.

 Sen. C.Schummer said it best : "don't mess with the intel agencies,they have six ways till Sunday to get back at you" 

*https://themarketswork.com/2018/02/23/did-clapper-brennan-use-the-steele-dossier-in-the-intelligence-community-assessment/

 

Edited August 16, 2018 by riclag

[Ulic]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The plot sickens.

 

Seems like a fare not over the top statement to me. Trump truly has the thinnest of skins when it comes to any criticism. If he truly believes he has the moral and ethical high ground criticism like this should not bother him. Just my opinion. 

[Thaidream]

2 minutes ago, mcambl61 said:

 

you have no idea about his or Trumps heart, but you think your biased opinion entitles you to make that obtuse statement, and you are not alone in this mystical magical powers that the phony moral superiority brigade from the l

All one has to do is listen to Donald Trump's rhetoric; how he responds to his  critics and the actions he takes to understand that Trump lacks any decorum; any moral fiber and cares nothing for  the disabled; people of color and those Americans who struggle from day to day to stay alive. Do you really want your children growing up with the same qualities?

 

This man is the President- a position that  has for centuries been used to bring people together; uplift individuals and project the idea that we are all created equal. Does Donald Trump exhibit any of this behavior?

 

Instead, Trump demeans people he disagrees with,  He doesn't listen to others cogent arguments; he refuses to believe his own intelligence agencies and top government officials and uses the rhetoric of the gutter when addressing  others in public or private..

 

This is the same man who claims he wants to solve America's Immigration problems.  He separates children from parents and houses both in conditions akin to prisons. His minions cannot even abide by a court order that mandates reuniting  the children with parents because they didn't even write down contact details.   Instead of coming up with a credible immigration plan that would create a work visa which would allow foreign labor into the country legally- his focus is deporting hard working immigrants and raiding chicken processing plants- jobs no American will take due to low pay and tough working environments.

 

I could almost put up with his arrogance; his foul mouth; his narcissism- if he was competent and put forth real solutions to bring people together and really make America a great country. Instead, he has  angered almost every one of America's international allies; refused to accept the fact that the World faces a potential climate disaster and pulled out of  negotiated agreements that have averted war.

 

Donald Trump will either eventually be impeached and convicted once the investigation of his actions come full circle.  Not only is he vulnerable due to the Russia situation, his violation of the Us Constitution under the emoluments clause should guarantee he ends up on the scrapheap of History.  

 

[Srinivas]

 

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Yes the decision is political. Perhaps it is time to reconsider the practice of continuing security clearances for those no longer employed/involved in an administration, liberal or conservative.  If their input is needed later the security clearance can be quickly reinstated by executive authority.

[mcambl61]

1 minute ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Yes the decision is political. Perhaps it is time to reconsider the practice of continuing security clearances for those no longer employed/involved in an administration, liberal or conservative.  If their input is needed later the security clearance can be quickly reinstated by executive authority.

Agreed.

 

What is really necessary is a clear strong independent oversight with the ability to investigate and fire the devious agencies. Of course the problem is they think they are above that. why else would they be hiding information and refusing to turn it over.

[ELVIS123456]

Obama politicised the Security Agencies of Government - CIA and FBI in particular.  Under Obama FBI and CIA appointments were based purely on someome's politics - not on their ability. Trump is reacting to over a year of media attacks from these people - because he and GOP lead to their downfall.  Despite lots of evidence to show that the Mueller probe is nothing but a political which hunt, and was based on faked reports and DNC created documents, and the CIOA and FBI were actively protecting Clintona nd attacking Trump, and still no evidence of any Trump criminal activity, and the House Intelligence Committe hearings showing that CIUA and FBI were politicised under Obama - the MSM and anti-Trumpers refuse to see that truth.  Obama politicised the CIA and FBI and used them against his political  opponents - just the case of Dinesh D'souza is enough proof - but there are none so blind.

 

Political Spying: As Robert Mueller's chimerical Russia-Trump collusion probe grinds on, a real possible crime has been revealed: the collusion between the Justice Department, the FBI, the Clinton campaign and, possibly, the Obama administration, to plant a spy in the Trump campaign. If so, as some say, it's bigger than Watergate. The spy's name is Stefan Halper, a professor at Cambridge University who has high-level ties to both U.S. and British intelligence, as Daily Caller New Foundation investigative reporter Chuck Ross discovered. The revelation made Trump livid, and rightly so, as his tweet on Sunday afternoon plainly showed: "I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the (FBI and Department of Justice) infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political purposes — and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!"  https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obama-spy-on-trump/

 

 

What Are the FBI and CIA Hiding?  The agency might have led the bureau down a rabbit hole in the 2016 Trump counterintelligence probe. Did the Central Intelligence Agency lead the Federal Bureau of Investigation down a rabbit hole in the counterintelligence investigation of Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign? Although the FBI’s case officially began July 31, 2016, there had been investigative activity before that date. John Brennan’s CIA might have directed activity in Britain, which could be a problem because of longstanding agreements that the U.S. will not conduct intelligence operations there. It would explain why the FBI continues to stonewall...

Thttps://www.wsj.com/articles/what-are-the-fbi-and-cia-hiding-1533078662

 

In July:  Sen. Rand Paul said Monday he is meeting with President Donald Trump to ask that former CIA Director John Brennan have his security clearance revoked.

“Is John Brennan monetizing his security clearance? Is John Brennan making millions of dollars divulging secrets to the mainstream media with his attacks on @realDonaldTrump,” the Kentucky Republican tweeted Monday morning. "Today I will meet with the President and I will ask him to revoke John Brennan’s security clearance."  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/23/rand-paul-john-brennan-security-clearance-735620

 

And this is just the beginning: The White House is looking to bar security clearances for five top Obama administration officials: former FBI Director James Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former national security adviser Susan Rice, and former deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. The sixth official, former CIA Director Michael Hayden, was appointed by President George W. Bush.

“The president is exploring the mechanisms to remove security clearance because they’ve politicized and, in some cases, monetized their public service and security clearances. Making baseless accusations of improper contact with Russia or being influenced by Russia against the president is extremely inappropriate,” 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/sen-rand-paul-calls-to-revoke-brennans-security-clearance_2601421.html

 

Brennan, who was CIA director under President Barack Obama, now works as a senior national security and intelligence analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. Brennan has been highly critical of Trump. Most recently, he lambasted Trump‘s meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin - calling it “nothing short of treasonous”.  Media comments made by all the other former Obama people under consideration to also have their clearances removed, have all been vexatious and false.  They have stirred up the media about Trump collusion, and their false claims are starting to come undone - just like all the false claims of sexual harrasment against Trump during the elections have been proven a deliberate political attack orchestrated by the DNC and Clinton campaign.  These people were certain Clinton was going to win and they went over the mark, and their media activities since leaving (or being thrown out), have been disgraceful and totally biased.  They are clearly attempting to muddy the waters so their own collusion against Trump cannot be easily seen.  But the truth will out - these people will be seen for what they are. Treasonous is right - they were activiely partisan in the conduct of their duties and they never thought they would ever be held to account.  And they never would have been if Clinton had won.