newatthis Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Bluespunk said: The only person who could decide for this woman, if a relationship was exclusive to her, was herself. Those guy's who didn't like her world view should have just walked away. If your worldview causes any sort of pain or suffering to others, you must expect ramifications. There is no such reality as turn the other cheek, forgive and forget, shake hands and walk away. Many of us may have those mindsets but, truthfully, those Victorian ideals will not thrive in the 21st century. Why do you think movies like "Punisher" and "Equalizer" are popular? Because it's payback time!!! Yes, this young lady was a victim of a final solution and that is devastating. Logically, the man should have walked away but human beings are emotional creatures as well as logical. She suffered the consequences of playing with human emotions and her children will have to live with the result. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artisi Posted September 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2018 I just don't understand all the bullsh1t going on here, is it all about winning points. What's it matter if she had 10 boyfriends on the books, murdering her over what amounts to bugger-all isn't acceptable under any circumstances - - and can't see or understand anyones justification for his actions irrespective of what arguments you want to float. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, newatthis said: If your worldview causes any sort of pain or suffering to others, you must expect ramifications. There is no such reality as turn the other cheek, forgive and forget, shake hands and walk away. Many of us may have those mindsets but, truthfully, those Victorian ideals will not thrive in the 21st century. Why do you think movies like "Punisher" and "Equalizer" are popular? Because it's payback time!!! Yes, this young lady was a victim of a final solution and that is devastating. Logically, the man should have walked away but human beings are emotional creatures as well as logical. She suffered the consequences of playing with human emotions and her children will have to live with the result. She should not have expected any ramifications except the man walking away. The men involved with this woman did not own her. The scum bag who murdered her alone is to blame. Edited September 5, 2018 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Artisi said: I just don't understand all the bullsh1t going on here, is it all about winning points. What's it matter if she had 10 boyfriends on the books, murdering her over what amounts to bugger-all isn't acceptable under any circumstances - - and can't see or understand anyones justification for his actions irrespective of what arguments you want to float. Sorted then 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Vacuum said: You're right,but this case had not so much to do with prostitution, it was more about greed. You think 'playing the field in Pattaya' doesn't mean prostitution? Edited September 5, 2018 by BritManToo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Artisi said: I just don't understand all the bullsh1t going on here, is it all about winning points. What's it matter if she had 10 boyfriends on the books, murdering her over what amounts to bugger-all isn't acceptable under any circumstances - - and can't see or understand anyones justification for his actions irrespective of what arguments you want to float. loss of face 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cranky Posted September 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: She played no part. She contributed nothing. She is blameless. No, she contributed nothing, totally innocent, an angel. Apart from the small matter of going on the game behind her boyfriend's back. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Artisi said: I just don't understand all the bullsh1t going on here, is it all about winning points. What's it matter if she had 10 boyfriends on the books, murdering her over what amounts to bugger-all isn't acceptable under any circumstances - - and can't see or understand anyones justification for his actions irrespective of what arguments you want to float. The main thrust of the debate on this thread seems to be a question of blame and in what proportions Whats it matter if she had 10 boyfriends you say, well it mattered to the murderer or I would not be typing this right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Sorted then Hardly when it comes to TV readership ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Artisi said: Hardly when it comes to TV readership ? Just what the editor got up this morning praying for 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobz Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Nothing you say here justifies blaming this woman for any role in this piece of filth's actions. He alone is to blame. Exactly. Both morally and legally. Murder is a million times worse than anything she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, AGareth2 said: loss of face Well that must be OK, so no problems then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobz Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Bluespunk said: She deserved neither. If the guys couldn't cope, they should move on. They didn't own her. Ofcourse. I think we agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Just what the editor got up this morning praying for Just like the Aussie poem about shearers, click go the shears boy, click - click - click 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, oldlakey said: The main thrust of the debate on this thread seems to be a question of blame and in what proportions Whats it matter if she had 10 boyfriends you say, well it mattered to the murderer or I would not be typing this right now Without adding to the ongoing blame game, I'll just keep my view to myself ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mizou198 Posted September 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, hobz said: Exactly. Both morally and legally. Murder is a million times worse than anything she did. It's not about justify. It's trying to explain and share opinions about what leads her to her death. This is crystal clear for me : If you always drive too fast, expect one day to get an accident If you like to fight, expect one day to get beaten If you use drugs, expect one day to make an overdose And if you repeatedly scam people, expect one day to meet a bad one... She is partly responsible, for what happen to her. It's not victim blaming, it s statistics. The more dangerously you live, the more problems you get Edited September 5, 2018 by mizou198 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Artisi said: Without adding to the ongoing blame game, I'll just keep my view to myself ? Oh dear, I am slipping today I have got a sneaking feeling you have left that a little too late 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, AGareth2 said: loss of face And loss of dignity and loss of a load of cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, hotchilli said: A sponsor in the Netherlands, a boyfriend in Nakhon Pathom & playing the field in Pattaya... Karmas a bitch sometimes... not that I condone murder.... No, you just stopped short of saying she got what she deserved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, BritManToo said: You think 'playing the field in Pattaya' doesn't mean prostitution? No more than anywhere else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wake Up Posted September 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 hours ago, Bluespunk said: My ego isn’t fragile. I would and have moved on. If I am involved in a relationship and the other person moves on, I do likewise. Relationships do not equate ownership. This piece of filth’s fragile ego couldn’t cope. You speak of ego in a loud authoritarian manner. Those quick to judge others they don’t know have the most fragile of egos IMO. None of us is in the position to judge any of these humans as we don’t know them or what they experienced other than a short news article. Love, sex, money, jealously and death have happened forever and the brightest minds on the planet have written books, songs and poetry trying to comprehend and explain it. Yet you have the simple solution of blaming it all on (this) “filths fragile ego”. Men who criticize others about ego IMO do so to boast their own fragile ego. Take care brother get some peace in your life. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, oldlakey said: Oh dear, I am slipping today I have got a sneaking feeling you have left that a little too late It was a rhetorical comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 hours ago, ezzra said: The victim was doing what Thai girls do best, two timing men and playing the field to her advantage, but beteem being dishonest with men and being killed for it there's a big difference, unfortunately she met a man who doesn't believe in live and let live... "what Thai girls do best" You mean ALL the Thai girls? All of them, 100%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Wake Up said: You speak of ego in a loud authoritarian manner. Those quick to judge others they don’t know have the most fragile of egos IMO. None of us is in the position to judge any of these humans as we don’t know them or what they experienced other than a short news article. Love, sex, money, jealously and death have happened forever and the brightest minds on the planet have written books, songs and poetry trying to comprehend and explain it. Yet you have the simple solution of blaming it all on (this) “filths fragile ego”. Men who criticize others about ego IMO do so to boast their own fragile ego. Take care brother get some peace in your life. Any scum bag who murders a woman, because he could not control her, has a fragile ego. As well as being filth of course. Edited September 5, 2018 by Bluespunk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiver Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 8 hours ago, BestB said: Not blaming the girl as murder is way out of line but these girls have to understand when you play with someone feelings their reaction is unpredictable. Agree. If someone has a job at McD's and also at Starbucks, you're not messing with peoples feelings. Disregarding peoples emotions and/or being dismissive, 'running two or 3 tabs' without mutual consent appears to be able to amplify that pain and sometimes anger. Doesn't make it okay to kill someone of course, but smarter people might take a lesson from it and be a little more honest. Even if they miss out on what appears to be a free lunch that exacts a high price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 A music troll post has been removed as well as a reply. Trolling posts, baiting posts and the replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlakey Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, Artisi said: It was a rhetorical comment. Failed miserably then 55555555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 5, 2018 4 hours ago, mizou198 said: "my liberty ends where yours begins" She triggered this situation in my opinion. And she didn t expected such serious consequences. The guy had no right to take her life but i agree with @CYBERFARANG People like her should be charged with fraud offence. To defend this girl without accepting that she has some responsibility in her own killing is denying facts Laws protect us from fraudsters, these scammers could look like investors, real estates agents, or sometimes, "pretties" ..like here I think folks here would be better to think of the deal between the victim and the Thai guy as a kind of business/contract relationship. The guy paid his money to the girl and expected her to perform as she was being paid to perform. But when she failed to perform and violated the kind of contract they had, the guy did what happens all too often here when money is paid and promises aren't kept. The guy's a murderer, no ifs, ands or buts about it. But the girl, being Thai, should have well understood what was likely to happen when she took the money and then didn't live up to what the guy believed was her part of the bargain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: I think folks here would be better to think of the deal between the victim and the Thai guy as a kind of business/contract relationship. The guy paid his money to the girl and expected her to perform as she was being paid to perform. But when she failed to perform and violated the kind of contract they had, the guy did what happens all too often here when money is paid and promises aren't kept. The guy's a murderer, no ifs, ands or buts about it. But the girl, being Thai, should have well understood what was likely to happen when she took the money and then didn't live up to what the guy believed was her part of the bargain. She wanted to end their relationship and agreed to meet him one more time on the understanding that it would end the relationship and he would stop bothering her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Artisi said: I just don't understand all the bullsh1t going on here, is it all about winning points. What's it matter if she had 10 boyfriends on the books, murdering her over what amounts to bugger-all isn't acceptable under any circumstances - - and can't see or understand anyones justification for his actions irrespective of what arguments you want to float. I don't think you're fresh off the boat, but you must understand that western ideologies does not apply in Thailand. I'm not talking about the punters, but about her alleged Thai bf since 9 months. They can be extremely jealous and will act accordingly, the same goes for Thai women. It'normal in Thailand, and mostly falangs react to the consequences when they read about it in the news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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