German domestic security agency failed to act on AfD concerns - media

[rooster59]

German domestic security agency failed to act on AfD concerns - media

 

Hans-Georg Maassen, President of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution arrives for a meeting of the parliamentary committee, that oversees German intelligence agencies in Berlin, Germany, September 12, 2018. REUTERS/Fabrizio Bensch

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany's BfV domestic intelligence agency failed for months to act on reports from officials in two states voicing concerns about local youth chapters of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, the Bild am Sonntag newspaper reported.

 

The report could strengthen calls for the ouster of BfV president Hans-Georg Maassen, whose critics say he has downplayed anti-migrant violence in the eastern city of Chemnitz and have questioned his relationship with far-right politicians.

 

Conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel and Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, who heads the Bavarian conservatives, will meet again on Tuesday to discuss Maassen's fate with Andrea Nahles, the head of the Social Democratic coalition partner, who has called for the spymaster to be fired.

 

"Mr. Maassen needs to go, and I tell you, he will go," Nahles told reporters late on Saturday.

 

Maassen came under fire on Sept. 7 after saying he was not convinced far-right extremists had attacked migrants in Chemnitz and questioned the authenticity of a video said to show the violence before his agency finished its assessment. He has since said his comments were misunderstood.

 

Police are investigating charges of anti-migrant violence and numerous cases of people showing the Hitler salute during protests that erupted in Chemnitz after an Iraqi man and a Syrian were arrested in the fatal stabbing of a German man.

 

Maassen's ties to the far-right have been questioned in the past. This year, a former leader of the AfD's youth wing, Franziska Schreiber, said Maassen had advised ex-AfD leader Frauke Petry on how the party could avoid being put under surveillance by his agency. He has denied giving such counsel.

 

Then last week, the BfV was forced to deny a report by public broadcaster ARD that Maassen had told an AfD lawmaker about parts of a report from his agency before it was published.

 

The newest allegations, to be published by Bild am Sonntag on Sunday, centre on reports sent by state security officials in Bremen and Lower Saxony to Maassen's agency about the AfD youth chapters in their state, and their suspected ties to extremists.

 

Both states have put the AfD groups under surveillance, but their reports "were left untouched at the BfV headquarters for six months", the newspaper quoted a senior intelligence source as saying. It said the BfV had no response to queries.

 

It was not immediately clear if or when those reports were brought to the attention of Maassen.

 

Maassen, meanwhile, is pressing to more than double his staff to 6,000 people by 2021, German news magazine Der Spiegel reported on Saturday, citing sources at the interior ministry.

 

A spokesman for the interior ministry, which oversees the BfV agency, declined to comment on the Spiegel report, citing restrictions on public information about the agency.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-09-16

[harrycallahan]

They didn't act when mobs of foreign invaders just walked across the border either; Merkel even encouraged them. That's the scandal. Of course Germans are peeved. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

16 minutes ago, harrycallahan said:

They didn't act when mobs of foreign invaders just walked across the border either; Merkel even encouraged them. 

Stop spreading lies. 

 

Bad enough that the government institution that is supposed to protect democracy and fight neo-nazis and false information is run by a guy who is doing the opposite (and not only since Chemnitz but with a track record of it). 

Edited September 16, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, harrycallahan said:

They didn't act when mobs of foreign invaders just walked across the border either; Merkel even encouraged them. That's the scandal. Of course Germans are peeved. 

“mobs of foreign invaders”

 

Refugees are not mobs of foreign invaders.

 

Spend some time learning how they became refugees and who it was who drove them towards Europe’s borders.

[Scott]

Troll post reported and removed.  

[sungod]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“mobs of foreign invaders”

 

Refugees are not mobs of foreign invaders.

 

Spend some time learning how they became refugees and who it was who drove them towards Europe’s borders.

Free housing and social security payments in most cases.

[roobaa01]

the only real motiv why the left wing socialist want mr. maassen being demoted is to deflect puplic opinion about the forthcoming vote about germany being invloved in actual syrian warfare with german troops, secondly their low popularity rating 17 % only third behind afd 17.5 % as second strongest party in germany. hence about 11 million people in germany favor the afd. in eatern germany about averagely 25 % favor afd, thus no wonder the established parties tremble and shiver .

 

mr. maassen has not committed any failure except telling the truth for exampe of a video from a left extremist club called "antifa zecken=ticks" . the video stems from an unconfirmed source and does not depict right wingers chasing foreigners. antifa-zecken claimed to have sourced the video from a right wing internet source which is still a mistery.

 

the spd claimed mr. maassen communicated secrets from the internal terror report to mr,brandner afd, which he denounced in an interview with welt paper. where would democracy stand if a party claims to have the intelligence head removed only because he did not fit their political thinking. sacking maassen means sacking horst seehofer interior minister first meaning the end of merkel, meaning new elections with the afd receiving 17 to 20 %.  cdu/csu backing mr.maasen publicly.

 

 

the afd youth chapters will be closed. the  intelligence agencies will takecare about the afd upon their meeting in cologne.

 

horst seehofer german minister of interior saw no need to have the afd observed by any agency.

 

if horst seehofer falls merkel 's reign is finished for good .

 

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[sweatalot]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

German domestic security agency failed to act on AfD

 

did they act about those  strangers from another universe, let in by merkel who attacked and killed innocent German people? did they prevent those wrongdoings?

[simple1]

9 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

 

did they act about those  strangers from another universe, let in by merkel who attacked and killed innocent German people? did they prevent those wrongdoings?

There have been reports in the public domain of Islamist terror attacks being foiled by German security forces. As you well know would be impossible to stop all terror attacks. There have been domestic far right extremist attacks in Germany, by Germans, with fatalities. So let's hear your critique of the failure of German security to stop far right murders / attacks.

Edited September 16, 2018 by simple1

[roobaa01]

lets hear also hear about left wing antifa attacks at the g20 summit hamburg, left wing attacks on afd politicians for example member of parliament mr. kaman, afd ....or 2016 new years crimes in cologne committed by asylum seekers

 

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roobaa01

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

lets hear also hear about left wing antifa attacks at the g20 summit hamburg, left wing attacks on afd politicians for example member of parliament mr. kaman, afd ....or 2016 new years crimes in cologne committed by asylum seekers

 

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roobaa01

very well versed in far right propaganda. Which group do you belong to?

Edited September 16, 2018 by simple1

[Mikeasq60]

Hold on one second, there reporting about right wing youths in Germany when you have muslim invaders raping, pillaging and murdering the German people. People cant walk the streets safely. Merkel is getting ready to be booted from her office because of her handling of all this madness. What kind of BS story is this? I'm sure this comment will be blocked. Who cares its the truth. Thailand you better beware if this isn't already happening!

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, roobaa01 said:

mr. maassen has not committed any failure

• 2018: Tries to cover neo-nazi attacks on foreigners and jews in Chemnitz by spreading lies.
• 2018: Tries to prevend intelligence agencies to observe the far-right in Germany.
• 2016: Fails to prevent the terrorist-attack on the Berlin christmas market despite having several agents spying on the attacker. (Explanation: "There were no spies, and if there were spies, then I wasn't aware of them.") Sends letters to all media asking them to not publish stories about this.
• 2016: Says Edward Snowden is a russian spy. Cannot provide any evidence, other than his "experience".
• 2015: Meets right-wing party AfD leader Mrs. Petry several times to share information how they can prevent becoming a target of the German intelligence agencies. Later meets new AfD leader Mr. Gauland several times (explanation: they were concerned about having a Russian spy in their party.)
• 2015: Tries to sue investigative weblog Netzpolitik.org for treason after they leaked documents about his agency trying to implement mechanisms to spy on German internet users. 
• 2015: Says that documents regarding the NSU scandal and his spies involved have disappeared is not his agency's responsibility. Says there were no agents spying on the NSU terrorists even though at least one spy was found on a contact list of the terrorist. (The spy died shortly later.) Says that the label "NSDAP/NSU" written on a CD found at the terrorists doesn't necessarily mean it belongs to the NSU.
• 2002: Prevents to accept an innocent German citizen back into the country, and leaves him rotting in Guantanamo for almost 5 more years. 
• 1997: Says priests and churches who provide shelter to refugees are "criminal organisations".

 

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except telling the truth

There are videos, eyewitness reports, and even a leaked internal police report that state how neo-nazisattacked foreigners and Jews in Chemnitz. Yet Mr. Maaßen claimed -- without having any evidence -- all this "could be" fake news, and later had to publicly withdraw his claims. 

 

Maybe YOU should start telling the truth?

 

 

1 hour ago, sweatalot said:

did they act about those  strangers from another universe, let in by merkel who attacked and killed innocent German people? did they prevent those wrongdoings?

No. His agency failed to prevent the terrorist attack on the Berlin christmas market even though he had several spies implemented. He then sent letters to all media asking them to not publish stories about this.

 

1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

to the jewish group.

Jewish as in the jewish restaurant "Shalom" that was attacked by the neo-nazi groups in Chemnitz that you're trying to defend here?

Edited September 16, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[welovesundaysatspace]

35 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

have muslim invaders raping, pillaging and murdering the German people. People cant walk the streets safely.

I worked and lived in Germany the last 5 years and this is not true. I doubt you've been to Germany recently, and I even believe you are spreading these lies on purpose.

 

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Who cares its the truth.

It's definitely not you caring about the truth.

Edited September 16, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[The manic]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Stop spreading lies. 

 

Bad enough that the government institution that is supposed to protect democracy and fight neo-nazis and false information is run by a guy who is doing the opposite (and not only since Chemnitz but with a track record of it). 

Its also supposed to defend German borders and defend against Islamic expansionism. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

Its also supposed to defend German borders

No, it's not (But I am not surprised you're spreading wrong information.) 

1 minute ago, The manic said:

and defend against Islamic expansionism. 

Not sure what "Islamic expansionism" you're talking about, but maybe you should consult a therapist for your paranoia.

[The manic]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“mobs of foreign invaders”

 

Refugees are not mobs of foreign invaders.

 

Spend some time learning how they became refugees and who it was who drove them towards Europe’s borders.

Spend some time researching how many muslim refugees were taken in by Saudi Arabia,  Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Dubai. Learn the Arab phrase for: 'invasion by immigration' the Manchester murder bomber, a 'refugee' rescued by the British Royal Navy, belonged to a terror group who espoused the philosophy of invasion by immigration.  You should read the history the expulsion of the Jews and Christians driven out of the Middle East, to say nothing of mass expulsions, murder done in places like Afghanistan,  a once Buddhist country.

[The manic]

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

No, it's not (But I am not surprised you're spreading wrong information.) 

Not sure what "Islamic expansionism" you're talking about, but maybe you should consult a therapist for your paranoia.

Read a history book some time, use a dictionary or Google. I really wish Islamic imperialism was just a function of the state of my mind. Unfortunately that is not the case. Your cheap insults do not belittle me they belittle you who on your own admittance confesses  to not knowing the significance of Islamic Expansionism or its well documented history. Trying to mock somebody from a position of ignorance is not wise.

[The manic]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

There have been reports in the public domain of Islamist terror attacks being foiled by German security forces. As you well know would be impossible to stop all terror attacks. There have been domestic far right extremist attacks in Germany, by Germans, with fatalities. So let's hear your critique of the failure of German security to stop far right murders / attacks.

They did not forsee or warn mad merkell of the danger of a million hostile invaders disguised as refugees. At least trump had the right idea. Mad Merkel should have forced the oil rich arab nations to take the dispaced people. And she should have had the full support of the German Security forces.

[Rimmer]

A troll post trying to derail the topic has been removed

[simple1]

35 minutes ago, The manic said:

They did not forsee or warn mad merkell of the danger of a million hostile invaders disguised as refugees. At least trump had the right idea. Mad Merkel should have forced the oil rich arab nations to take the dispaced people. And she should have had the full support of the German Security forces.

Why are you using the propaganda and lies of the far right? How about trying empirical research before posting nonsense.

Edited September 16, 2018 by simple1

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, The manic said:

Read a history book some time, use a dictionary or Google.

Any where exactly does it state that (a) the responsibility of the German BfV is to protect the borders, or (b) there is “Islamic expansionism”? 

 

1 hour ago, The manic said:

Your cheap insults do not belittle me

If you find it insulting that someone calls you out for spreading nonsense then maybe you just shouldn’t spread nonsense? 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, The manic said:

a million hostile invaders disguised as refugees. At least trump had the right idea. Mad Merkel should have forced the oil rich arab nations to take the dispaced people. 

Calling people fleeing from war “hostile invaders”, suggesting they should be denied their most basic human rights and forced somewhere, and praising a stupid man that is a disgrace for his country and his position — that all says a lot about you. 

 

If there’s such thing as a second life I hope you will be born in a country of war and crime without having the chance to chill in sunny Thailand. 

Edited September 16, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[vinegarbase]

7 hours ago, harrycallahan said:

They didn't act when mobs of foreign invaders just walked across the border either; Merkel even encouraged them. That's the scandal. Of course Germans are peeved. 

100% right. This is just more media brainwashing because they are scared to death of real Germans waking up and taking their country back. I look forward to seeing a great increase in AFD support!

[vinegarbase]

10 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Calling people fleeing from war “hostile invaders”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12135497/Migrants-attack-pensioners-who-stood-up-for-woman-they-were-harassing-on-Munich-metro.html

 

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2572041/german-cops-hunt-gang-of-migrants-who-lured-an-off-duty-nurse-into-a-childrens-park-beat-her-unconscious-and-raped-her/

 

Yes, that is completely right. They are brutal hostile invaders and Germans need to kick them all out.

[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

This is just more media brainwashing

Quite amusing that the people who constantly lie and don’t provide any evidence for their claims blame others of brainwashing. 

 

10 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

because they are scared to death of real Germans

Scared of those unemployed, uneducated neo-nazis in east Germany who came as refugees themselves? 

 

10 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

waking up and taking their country back. I look forward to seeing a great increase in AFD support!

I have to disappoint your right-wing fantasies but there wont be another Reich. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, vinegarbase said:

They are brutal hostile invaders and Germans need to kick them all out.

The only People who should get kicked out are fascists like you. 

[vinegarbase]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The only People who should get kicked out are fascists like you. 

I am a proud nationalist and culturalist not fascist. Big difference. Islam is not compatible with Western values because they believe in Sharia law. I believe that countries should largely maintain a national and cultural identity nothing more. The same way that Thailand, China, and Japan are allowed to do. The attacks on Western cultures and sovereignty need to be exposed and stopped. The conspiracies to invade and replace western society needs to be exposed and fought and swiftly struck down.

Edited September 16, 2018 by vinegarbase

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, The manic said:

Spend some time researching how many muslim refugees were taken in by Saudi Arabia,  Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Dubai. Learn the Arab phrase for: 'invasion by immigration' the Manchester murder bomber, a 'refugee' rescued by the British Royal Navy, belonged to a terror group who espoused the philosophy of invasion by immigration.  You should read the history the expulsion of the Jews and Christians driven out of the Middle East, to say nothing of mass expulsions, murder done in places like Afghanistan,  a once Buddhist country.

You really want to invoke history as a proof of Islamic intolerance.

You should read the history the expulsion of the Jews and Muslims driven out of Europe, to say nothing ofmurder done in places like" ... Spain or Central or Eastern Europe.

And the fact is that the Muslim Mughal empire ruled over millions of Hindus. And the  Muslim Turks ruled over millions of Christians in the Balkans. 

[roobaa01]

7 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

• 2018: Tries to cover neo-nazi attacks on foreigners and jews in Chemnitz by spreading lies.
• 2018: Tries to prevend intelligence agencies to observe the far-right in Germany.
• 2016: Fails to prevent the terrorist-attack on the Berlin christmas market despite having several agents spying on the attacker. (Explanation: "There were no spies, and if there were spies, then I wasn't aware of them.") Sends letters to all media asking them to not publish stories about this.
• 2016: Says Edward Snowden is a russian spy. Cannot provide any evidence, other than his "experience".
• 2015: Meets right-wing party AfD leader Mrs. Petry several times to share information how they can prevent becoming a target of the German intelligence agencies. Later meets new AfD leader Mr. Gauland several times (explanation: they were concerned about having a Russian spy in their party.)
• 2015: Tries to sue investigative weblog Netzpolitik.org for treason after they leaked documents about his agency trying to implement mechanisms to spy on German internet users. 
• 2015: Says that documents regarding the NSU scandal and his spies involved have disappeared is not his agency's responsibility. Says there were no agents spying on the NSU terrorists even though at least one spy was found on a contact list of the terrorist. (The spy died shortly later.) Says that the label "NSDAP/NSU" written on a CD found at the terrorists doesn't necessarily mean it belongs to the NSU.
• 2002: Prevents to accept an innocent German citizen back into the country, and leaves him rotting in Guantanamo for almost 5 more years. 
• 1997: Says priests and churches who provide shelter to refugees are "criminal organisations".

 

There are videos, eyewitness reports, and even a leaked internal police report that state how neo-nazisattacked foreigners and Jews in Chemnitz. Yet Mr. Maaßen claimed -- without having any evidence -- all this "could be" fake news, and later had to publicly withdraw his claims. 

 

Maybe YOU should start telling the truth?

 

 

No. His agency failed to prevent the terrorist attack on the Berlin christmas market even though he had several spies implemented. He then sent letters to all media asking them to not publish stories about this.

 

Jewish as in the jewish restaurant "Shalom" that was attacked by the neo-nazi groups in Chemnitz that you're trying to defend here?

1. we are talking about 2018, thus the usual unfounded left wing propaganda.

 

2. by the way mrs petry is not a afd member, so what ??

 

3. videos others than  left wing extremist " antifa zecken=ticks" video  where ?? right wing people chasing foreigners  in chemnitz?? or like berlin lichtenberg afd stand being set up by certain  people  hiring people like a foreigner to be chased by right wingers in a made up ??

 

4. internal police reports ....100 covered up people , 30 covered up people moving towards a jewish restaurant ??? covered their faces like antifa or like right wingers ??? thus any arrests, charging, hae???? where are the leaked news , internal police reports ??

 

5.my jewish people in germany are more concerned about islamic faschism than german right wing idiots or left wing antisemites ala james corbyn.

 

6. alles was bei herrn maassen vor 2018 passierte ist schnee von gestern = everything happened prior to 2018, concerning mr. maassen is red tape of the past.

 

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