tilbrook007 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Here’s your chance to talk about the subject! I worked for a company that employs about 400 people that do not have work permits! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevymac Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 And your point is?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) What were these 400 people doing for jobs ? That a lot of people to be flying under the radar, suprised the Thai tax or police office hasn't caught up with the company. Edited September 21, 2018 by Peterw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Moved to the general forum so you can talk about it there. Not appropriate for this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilbrook007 Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: What were these 400 people doing for jobs ? That a lot of people to be flying under the radar, suprised the Thai tax or police office hasn't caught up with the company. The officials have blind eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilbrook007 Posted September 21, 2018 Author Share Posted September 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, stevymac said: And your point is? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect My point is to expose this! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peterw42 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, tilbrook007 said: My point is to expose this! Answer the question then, What are the 400 people doing for a job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post colinneil Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, tilbrook007 said: My point is to expose this! You need to mind your own business. So if somebody is working without a work permit, that is their business not yours. Everything you do is whiter than white perfect? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post faraday Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 Op got sacked, wants to eff over the company. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nikmar Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 this one's up with "Theiving hookers in Pattaya" for the "Stating the Bleeding Obvious award 2018". 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, colinneil said: You need to mind your own business. So if somebody is working without a work permit, that is their business not yours. Everything you do is whiter than white perfect? Depends. If working in the same field with workpermit it pisses me off if others are working without, saving on the hassle and expense that I have to go through. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Esso49 Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 If you wish to expose this alleged illegal work, then do so to the appropriate Thai authorities. Do not consider that ThaiVisa in any way shape or form is the appropriate channel to report what you have alleged to be is illegal work by aliens. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Don't they? Oh dear... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, tilbrook007 said: Here’s your chance to talk about the subject! I worked for a company that employs about 400 people that do not have work permits! did you ask them why so many without work permits? did they have any difficulty helping you obtain your work permit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crossy Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 44 minutes ago, tilbrook007 said: My point is to expose this! Please be very, very (very) careful. Remember that Thailand has draconian libel and defamation laws, the statements don't even need to be untrue, just damaging. This is the reason Thaivisa has the "no name-and-shame" forum rule, any posts giving the name of the company will be removed. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Inflammatory remark removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) New account. Most likely been banished for overstay or working with no permit himself. Just ban Edited September 21, 2018 by lust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Off topic removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Peterw42 said: What were these 400 people doing for jobs ? That a lot of people to be flying under the radar, suprised the Thai tax or police office hasn't caught up with the company. There is no connection between paying income tax and having a work permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 ...Wow Sherluck... on the case.. rest humanity is safe, the EFL teaching community has a reprieve.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoutman360 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 If people refused to take the job without a work permit, problem solved. So, who is to blame? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SheungWan Posted September 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, stevenl said: Depends. If working in the same field with workpermit it pisses me off if others are working without, saving on the hassle and expense that I have to go through. If one finds oneself working alongside unqualified staff and you are not in the first flush of youth, then this should be a wake-up call for how much/little your career pathway has progressed and therefore time for a little review and reflection. Let it drift beyond a certain age and you're sunk. Ending up denouncing employers and/or the system gets one nowhere other than revenge for a trap which might have been evaded. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I know of at least one major language school and several small ones that rely on employing "part-time" teachers especially in corporate teaching.... Their official position is that it is up to the teachers to sort out visa/work permit. In reality it is virtually impossible for this to happen. These teachers have neither B visa nor work permit and in many cases have fake degrees. Before a teacher turns up at any company to teach or any other worker for that matter, the company should require copies of degree, work permit and visa. They might be surprised at how many people can't provide these documents. BTW. It is very easy to spot a fake degree...for a start they are listed on the "unaccredited degree" web page of Wikipedia. It is a contestant source of surprise to me that RTI don't ever check this and accept some totally implausible docs as genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 51 minutes ago, kwilco said: I know of at least one major language school and several small ones that rely on employing "part-time" teachers especially in corporate teaching.... I know of a major school franchise that was closed down for this reason last year, plus several one-man / two-man bands, both Thai and farang. Given the amount of investment and time and effort it takes to open a school, it seems absolutely crazy to me that a licensed school of any size would risk closure by not following simple clear rules on work permits. The biggest cheaters at the moment are agencies, and I'm sure their days are numbered too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 4 hours ago, My Thai Life said: I know of a major school franchise that was closed down for this reason last year, plus several one-man / two-man bands, both Thai and farang. Given the amount of investment and time and effort it takes to open a school, it seems absolutely crazy to me that a licensed school of any size would risk closure by not following simple clear rules on work permits. The biggest cheaters at the moment are agencies, and I'm sure their days are numbered too. The reason is the lawsgoverni.g employment of teachers and setting up language such tools take no account of the fact that a large proportion of staff have by definition to be foreigners. Pert from anything it ensures that a lot of teaching is substandard,something that Thailand can hardly afford. With the new work permit lawsuit may in fact become easier for tteachers to work with a legal permit....but it still doesn't get over the plethora of fake degrees........ when I used to recruit teachers for EL I was astounded by the number of total losers who expected me to believe that the university of Belford was real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozmeldo Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) I've messaged a well known jobs site asking he stop posting PT jobs as they can't possibly come with work permit. Still going on. Many smaller agencies do not bother with wp. They figure you'll leave in a year maximum. Often sooner. Do not work for agencies - especially small agencies with offices in sketchy parts of or near Bangkok. Edited September 22, 2018 by ozmeldo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Thai Life Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, kwilco said: The reason is the lawsgoverni.g employment of teachers and setting up language such tools take no account of the fact that a large proportion of staff have by definition to be foreigners. Pert from anything it ensures that a lot of teaching is substandard,something that Thailand can hardly afford. With the new work permit lawsuit may in fact become easier for tteachers to work with a legal permit....but it still doesn't get over the plethora of fake degrees........ when I used to recruit teachers for EL I was astounded by the number of total losers who expected me to believe that the university of Belford was real. Have you actually set up a language school? I dont understand what you're saying in your 2nd sentence. I'm having difficulty trying to figure out what you mean by the "new work permit lawsuit" too. Spotting fake degrees is easy enough, fake unis are easy to identify on the internet. Edited September 22, 2018 by My Thai Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwilco Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, My Thai Life said: Have you actually set up a language school? I dont understand what you're saying in your 2nd sentence. I'm having difficulty trying to figure out what you mean by the "new work permit lawsuit" too. Spotting fake degrees is easy enough, fake unis are easy to identify on the internet. Yes. TV has a problem with Android predictive text ... but I'm sure you can work it out. Then we come to the crux of the matter, what are you trying to say with your post? You haven't expressed an opinion. I've already posted some sites for checking degrees...The point is that immigration and employers don't bother. Edited September 22, 2018 by kwilco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Can’t stand curtain twitchers Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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