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China senior diplomat says Beijing, Washington must avoid Cold War mentality

 

China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi speaks during the opening of a new Chinese Embassy in the Dominican Republic, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, September 21, 2018. REUTERS/Ricardo Rojas/File Photo

 

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and the United States can compete but should not view each other with a Cold War mentality and should avoid falling into a zero-sum game trap, the Chinese government's top diplomat said, amid deteriorating ties between the superpowers.

 

Beijing and Washington are locked in an increasingly bitter trade war and are increasingly at odds over other issues, such as U.S. support for self-ruled Taiwan which China claims, and U.S. sanctions on China's military for buying Russian weapons.

 

At a meeting with former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger on Tuesday in New York on the sidelines of a United Nations meeting, Chinese State Councillor Wang Yi said that the two countries would only lose if they confronted each other.

 

"China and the United States can have competition, but should not use a Cold War mentality to view each other, and nor should they slip into the trap of a zero-sum game," a Foreign Ministry statement on Wednesday quoted Wang as saying.

 

"Recently, certain U.S. forces domestically have been continually blackening China's name, creating antagonistic feeling, which has caused serious harm to the atmosphere of Sino-U.S. ties," Wang added, without naming names.

 

If that continues, it will lead relations down the wrong path, which is not in the interest of either country or the international community, he said.

 

China hopes the United States meets it halfway so they can have a "correct perception" of each other, and prevent this negative momentum from spreading to ensure relations don't stray from the correct track, Wang added.

 

China has been angered this week alone by the imposition of new U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports as well as a planned arms sale to democratic Taiwan, claimed by Beijing as sacred Chinese territory.

 

In a Wednesday editorial, the state-run China Daily said the Taiwan weapons sale would only worsen already poor ties with China.

 

"Now that the Trump administration is aggressively seeking to challenge China's interests on both the economic and military fronts, one wonders whether Washington wants to permanently damage Sino-US relations," the official English-language newspaper said.

 

"And since the Trump administration is trying to jettison all principles that govern bilateral relations in a desperate bid to suit its own purpose, China should not only prepare for the worst but also be ready to appropriately respond to the US' provocations."

 

U.S. President Donald Trump's top trade official said on Tuesday that changing China's economic policies to become more market-oriented "is not going to be easy" even with tariffs now in place on $250 billion worth of Chinese goods.

 

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard and Lusha Zhang; Editing by Sam Holmes and Kim Coghill)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-09-26

[Redline]

China has been manipulating the capitalist system, and taking advantage of weaknesses in democratic systems.  A hard line needs to be taken, but it needs to be done in coordination with many countries, not only the USA.  Trump's attempt to go it alone will backfire causing permanent supply chain changes that will stay in place because of the unreliability of the US.  This is happening now.  Just because Trump has no friends, he thinks America doesn't need any~a critical error on many levels.  Wake up DT, it's not the 70s or 80s anymore

[Pedrogaz]

1 hour ago, Redline said:

China has been manipulating the capitalist system, and taking advantage of weaknesses in democratic systems.  A hard line needs to be taken, but it needs to be done in coordination with many countries, not only the USA.  Trump's attempt to go it alone will backfire causing permanent supply chain changes that will stay in place because of the unreliability of the US.  This is happening now.  Just because Trump has no friends, he thinks America doesn't need any~a critical error on many levels.  Wake up DT, it's not the 70s or 80s anymore

Sorry pal this is a load of nonsense.

[nervona81732]

Hey Red line, what country you from?

 

[Tug]

Agree China doesent play fair with trade all country’s need to lean on China together peacefully to get them to change Donald’s bulley the world tactic (if you can call it that)trying the easy way and will cost the regular American people dearly by higher prices.trumps bully tactic will cost more for energy (Iran)more for mfd goods(China)but won’t cost trump personally it’s your money he is squandering not his so he will count it as a win

[Morch]

For those saying addressing China's transgressions needs to be a coordinated, international effort - was there much evidence of such cooperation, or it being particularly effective up to now? Also worth pointing out that making such assertions, while holding that China is clued in with regard to exploiting and manipulating weaknesses in democratic systems, doesn't compute.

 

In other words, how would more of the same bring about change? Or not play out favorably for China?

 

Trump's way of dealing with China can certainly be criticized and questioned. Whether it works out or fails remains to be seen - and will probably be a while (possibly way after his term in office) before it could be properly analyzed and assessed.

[Stargeezr]

Yup, China is quietly building peaceful military facilities on those disputed

islands, hoarding lots of gold, and oil reserves, building a bigger military,

etc. Peaceful China Indeed! Caution,  the future is approaching, quiety as well.

Geezer

[Nice Boyd]

Stop building your Fake Islands and taking over poor countries , with your poor infrastructure


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[Redline]

21 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Sorry pal this is a load of nonsense.

Ok ???? that’s all you have to say ???? do you realize the the Chinese government controls everything in China?  I don’t blame you for ignoring what is happening in the world, but you appear pretty lost, and your lack of response provides a clue to that 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Redline

[Redline]

20 hours ago, nervona81732 said:

Hey Red line, what country you from?

 

USA 

[Redline]

19 hours ago, Morch said:

For those saying addressing China's transgressions needs to be a coordinated, international effort - was there much evidence of such cooperation, or it being particularly effective up to now? Also worth pointing out that making such assertions, while holding that China is clued in with regard to exploiting and manipulating weaknesses in democratic systems, doesn't compute.

 

In other words, how would more of the same bring about change? Or not play out favorably for China?

 

Trump's way of dealing with China can certainly be criticized and questioned. Whether it works out or fails remains to be seen - and will probably be a while (possibly way after his term in office) before it could be properly analyzed and assessed.

Well, this is already established, and is being addressed by the USA, EU, Japan, Australia and other countries.  There are clear weaknesses in capitalist democracies that are ripe for abuse by those with nearly unlimited funds, such as a government 

Edited September 27, 2018 by Redline

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Redline said:

Well, this is already established, and is being addressed by the USA, EU, Japan, Australia and other countries.  There are clear weaknesses in capitalist democracies that are ripe for abuse by those with nearly unlimited funds, such as a government 

 

How, other than saying so, was "this" (whatever "this" is) actually addressed in a coordinated and effective manner? The whole point of things with China being what they are is that issues weren't properly addressed.

 

And again, if China is clued in on abusing them "clear weaknesses in capitalist democracies" - how is this to be countered? How was it countered up to now?

[Odysseus123]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

How, other than saying so, was "this" (whatever "this" is) actually addressed in a coordinated and effective manner? The whole point of things with China being what they are is that issues weren't properly addressed.

 

And again, if China is clued in on abusing them "clear weaknesses in capitalist democracies" - how is this to be countered? How was it countered up to now?

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Most wars are started over trade.

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

The rum dum,the rum dum...

the rummadum dum..

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Most wars are started over trade.

 

I you say so. That still doesn't have a whole lot to do with the points made.

[Odysseus123]

27 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I you say so. That still doesn't have a whole lot to do with the points made.

So?

 

Are you running this thread?

 

To repeat-most wars are started about trade(commodities)..whether it is about women,slaves,ivory or anything else that you might think of.

 

Here it is by the way..

 

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Edited September 27, 2018 by Odysseus123

[Morch]

 

@Odysseus123

 

Your posts were made in reply to mine and while quoting them. I do not think it too much to expect there will be some relevance (but perhaps I'm overly optimistic). So, if you wish to go on one of them habitual rambling off-topic forays of yours, no need to use my posts an anchor. 

 

Thanks.

[Redline]

17 hours ago, Morch said:

 

How, other than saying so, was "this" (whatever "this" is) actually addressed in a coordinated and effective manner? The whole point of things with China being what they are is that issues weren't properly addressed.

 

And again, if China is clued in on abusing them "clear weaknesses in capitalist democracies" - how is this to be countered? How was it countered up to now?

Sorry, you are going to have to do some research.  There is a lot of information on the fact that the Chinese government  controls the markets, and influences all areas of business transactions and businesses themselves.  The take a look at the purchasing of land, farms, all types of companies companies, oil, mines...worldwide.  These are all indirectly subsidized by the Chinese government.  They are intelligent, and some kind of transparency requirements and other policies should have been put in place long ago.  The system was not set up for a communist/semi capitalist/non transparent actors to be involved.  I guess we will see what can or will be done.

[Morch]

59 minutes ago, Redline said:

Sorry, you are going to have to do some research.  There is a lot of information on the fact that the Chinese government  controls the markets, and influences all areas of business transactions and businesses themselves.  The take a look at the purchasing of land, farms, all types of companies companies, oil, mines...worldwide.  These are all indirectly subsidized by the Chinese government.  They are intelligent, and some kind of transparency requirements and other policies should have been put in place long ago.  The system was not set up for a communist/semi capitalist/non transparent actors to be involved.  I guess we will see what can or will be done.

 

What are you on about? Seems like barking up the wrong tree.

 

My posts were about the lack of coordinated and effective international resistance to China's practices. Regardless of how one feels about Trump, it cannot be said that these issues were properly tackled by past administration or by other governments. As for "see what can or will be done" - this isn't a new issue, and it does seem like democratic-capitalist systems are at a disadvantage dealing with it. Rejecting Trump's way of handling the situation is fine, asserting that the old paradigm can address it is not supported by much.

[mrwebb8825]

On 9/27/2018 at 3:20 PM, Redline said:

There are clear weaknesses in capitalist democracies that are ripe for abuse by those with nearly unlimited funds, such as a government 

The only clear weaknesses in capitalist democrocies are the people running them, a weak military and/or the willingness to use them. Luckily for the U.S. we have a businessman/patriot for a president.

Love him or hate him, it's hard to argue with the current domestic economy, the newly signed deal with Mexico and Canada, the new trade deal with the EU, the billions in arms deals, the effect of global sanctions on NK and soon Iran. He demonstrated his willingness to use force if forced to by the air strikes in Syria. Just enough to give pause and make his point.

The tightening on China's economy through tarriffs is just the beginning of an economic war they blustered and scared other presidents from starting touting great military presence but President Trump is proving them wrong and slowing pulling away the vail.

They threatened military force when he sold arms to Taiwan last time and nothing happened and nothing will happen this time either.

I'm not claiming they're not a force to be reakoned with, just that they DO need reakoned with. If America has to be 1st to show others the way then so be it.

Edited October 3, 2018 by mrwebb8825

[candide]

33 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Love him or hate him, it's hard to argue with the current domestic economy, the newly signed deal with Mexico and Canada, the new trade deal with the EU, the billions in arms deals, the effect of global sanctions on NK and soon Iran.

Domestic economy: same trends going on after Obama + bonus due to budget deficit that increases debts for next government

Mexico/Canada deal: not much differences. Already included in Obama's TTIP

EU deal: which deal? TTIP scratched

......

[mrwebb8825]

On 10/3/2018 at 1:46 PM, candide said:

Domestic economy: same trends going on after Obama + bonus due to budget deficit that increases debts for next government

Mexico/Canada deal: not much differences. Already included in Obama's TTIP

EU deal: which deal? TTIP scratched

......

Excuse me, but Obama promised to do something about nafta as soon as he was elected, the 1st time. Nothing ever happened.

EU deal:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-eu-trade-deal-trade-war-tariffs-2018-7

 

maybe a little less CNN and a little more real news would help you.

[ExpatOilWorker]

China should stop hacking the world:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

[lannarebirth]

On 9/27/2018 at 7:15 AM, Odysseus123 said:

The rum dum,the rum dum...

the rummadum dum..

the rum dum...

 

Most wars are started over trade.

Most wars are started over debt or access to resources.

Edited October 5, 2018 by lannarebirth