Psychopath living in my condo building // possibly needing to relocate - thoughts?

[thedevilandgod]

1 minute ago, secondfusilier said:

 

We flew her from America with us

 

Because there are not enough scabby flea ridden mutts here already?

 

 

 

That, or we happen to consider pets as family? It's called love, or compassion? Maybe you didn't get any growing up, so it's hard for you to understand.

[The manic]

43 minutes ago, thedevilandgod said:

Preach. I'm surprised how few on this board see my (our) point. Were some of you raised to let others speak to your family in such a way?

 

We did everything by the rules - rented this condo knowing fully that it was a pet-friendly condo that our first dog (which came with us from the US) could live in; she has all of her proper vaccinations; she is regularly cleaned and groomed; we pick up her poop and even spray a mix of water, soap, and a tiny bit of bleach to clean/disinfect whatever is left over; and we are respectful to staff and management. We regularly buy them little snacks and treats when we go to the food store, hold open doors for them (you'd be surprised how little respect others have for the workers), etc.

 

Unfortunately, shit happens, and we "rescued" a dog (he was in bad shape from the car accident), I physically carried him on a moped to a pet hospital at 9pm and we paid for all of his medical costs/surgery, and we're adopting him because he's going to need time to heal. He's better behaved than most dogs (and people). But that's all besides the point. I posted to see if anyone knew of any (1) recourse regarding the German man in the building, and (2) places we could consider moving to (again, doing our best to follow these inane, backwards rules) that allow bigger dogs.

Inane, backward rules? I am unclear how a condo could be manoeuvred into creating rules that allow dogs. Can it be legal? It is very unusual. I find dog owners as insufferable as smokers. Anyway, no dogs should be kept in apartments. The OP needs to find a villa. And however unpleasant the anti dog guy is he is not a psychopath. 

[NoshowJones]

13 hours ago, Aussieroaming said:

Exactly, no need for threats at all.

If everything the OP says is true, there sure is plenty of need to break his legs, preferably with a pick axe handle.

Edited September 27, 2018 by possum1931

[The manic]

16 minutes ago, thedevilandgod said:

 

That, or we happen to consider pets as family? It's called love, or compassion? Maybe you didn't get any growing up, so it's hard for you to understand.

The love of dogs tend to be a western indulgence based not on compassion but sentiment. Unless you are a puppy they are not your family. The more I read your responses the more I sympathise with Fritz.

[thedevilandgod]

Just now, The manic said:

Inane, backward rules? I am unclear how a condo could be manoeuvred into creating rules that allow dogs. Can it be legal? It is very unusual. I find dog owners as insufferable as smokers. Anyway, no dogs should be kept in apartments. The OP needs to find a villa. And however unpleasant the anti dog guy is he is not a psychopath. 

Maneuvered? The initial rules of the condo explicitly state that dogs are allowed up to 20kg. Your opinion whether or not dogs should be kept in apartments is subjective. I pay a premium to live in a legally pet-friendly condo building, I abide by the rules and respect my other tenants. The German has kicked, slapped, threatened violence, and screamed at staff and tenants to the point that others have moved out of the condo.

 

Inane and backward in the sense that they staunchly defend senseless rules like dogs not allowed to go through the garage and must use the one service lift (that never is working), yet people walk through all kinds of filth and can walk with their shoes into the regular lifts. As if there's any actual difference. If it's regarding allergies to dogs, then you shouldn't live in an very visibly pet-friendly condo. If you hate dogs, there's plenty of other condos that don't allow them. Am I speaking a foreign language?

 

I can't tell if you guys are trolling or are actually serious. How this guy doesn't come off as a psychopath to you is mind-blowing.

[user564545]

26 minutes ago, thedevilandgod said:

 

That, or we happen to consider pets as family? It's called love, or compassion? Maybe you didn't get any growing up, so it's hard for you to understand.

 

What a sad life you must lead if you think that animals are family.

I got my love off my real family when I was growing up, I didn't have to resort to making friends outside of my own species.

 

I do hope that you are taking your 'friend' back to America when you leave.

Edited September 27, 2018 by secondfusilier

[IAMHERE]

Have your dog put down; it is just a matter of time before your dog  kills some small child. 

[thedevilandgod]

9 minutes ago, The manic said:

The love of dogs tend to be a western indulgence based not on compassion but sentiment. Unless you are a puppy they are not your family. The more I read your responses the more I sympathise with Fritz.

 

All cultures have their own respective forms of compassion for animals. We can keep to PMs a philosophical debate about whether or not my feelings towards animals are compassion or sentiment. Also, hardly a Western indulgence. When we rescued the soi dog in Pai, several locals (Thais) helped us do so. A young teen drove me with the dog on the back of the moped. Two Thai ladies called the hospital when we couldn't find it on Google or Facebook. One Thai lady offered to bring us dinner since we had to stay with him at the hospital.

 

Funny enough, the dog was "owned" by a foreigner living above the hospital, who had more than enough money to pay for the dog's operation to fix its bad leg. He is equally belligerent to all of the locals there, has 5-6 dogs that run rampant throughout the walking street on Pai and are dirty, unkept, unfed... they aren't pets. The hospital called him to say we wanted to help the dog. He told them we weren't allowed because he was the "owner." <deleted> him. We stole the dog and kept him as our own. The locals hate him because he takes advantage of how relaxed the community is. When someone confronted him, he said, "I don't own dogs. Humans own dogs. I am inhuman. I am god."

 

So before you suggest that the love of dogs is a purely Western notion, maybe ask some Thais how they feel about their pets. Not sure why you're so defiant that people of all backgrounds and walks of life can love a dog. The last thing the kid driving the moped to the hospital said to me was "I hate that foreigner. He's an <deleted>. I would never treat my dog that way."

Edited September 27, 2018 by thedevilandgod

[thedevilandgod]

2 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

Have your dog put down; it is just a matter of time before your dog  kills some small child. 

 

LOL

[CH1961]

5 minutes ago, thedevilandgod said:

love of dogs

 

[SuperTed]

The OP will notice Americans are not particularly well liked, nor dogs, in these forums.

Lawyers, management company, owners committee and cops are not going to help you. Grin and bear it, or make sure your wife is convincing with the cops after you break the elderly man’s legs. Also think about how miserable a neighbor he will be with his legs broken.

You seem a compassionate type, so probably better to practice smiling.


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[SuperTed]

P.S. let’s use our words correctly - a psychopath does not have emotions and therefore cannot relate or take into consideration the emotions of others. A sociopath takes pleasure in violating societal norms and getting away with it.


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[thedevilandgod]

2 minutes ago, SuperTed said:

The OP will notice Americans are not particularly well liked, nor dogs, in these forums.

Lawyers, management company, owners committee and cops are not going to help you. Grin and bear it, or make sure your wife is convincing with the cops after you break the elderly man’s legs. Also think about how miserable a neighbor he will be with his legs broken.

You seem a compassionate type, so probably better to practice smiling.


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Thanks - this might be the best route. He's hardly elderly - mid 40's with lots of "stepdaughters" visiting him on off-hours - but agreed. The cops seemed to like me, we got along well!

[thedevilandgod]

1 minute ago, SuperTed said:

P.S. let’s use our words correctly - a psychopath does not have emotions and therefore cannot relate or take into consideration the emotions of others. A sociopath takes pleasure in violating societal norms and getting away with it.


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Gotcha. To be fair, in front of him and the police (and several onlookers), I did say to him, "you're a sociopath and a pussy for threatening and assaulting women while they walk their dogs on their own, and if you say another word to my wife like that, I'll beat the shit out of you." The cop smiled and said I am totally allowed to because in Thai law you can defend your family. Something some of you on here need a lesson in, clearly...

 

 

[CH1961]

16 minutes ago, thedevilandgod said:

He's hardly elderly - mid 40's with lots of "stepdaughters" visiting him on off-hours

You are just jealous, but the love of your dog(s) is you sure ????

[from the home of CC]

2 hours ago, thedevilandgod said:

We take our dog on short walks to relieve herself, and we wipe her paws down with disinfectant wipes after every walk.

 

Really......

[androokery]

So... dog owners don't want to follow all the rules of the condo when it comes to their pets... Because their dogs are nice animals as opposed to all the other dogs? Maybe this German man would be ok with the dogs in the building if the dog owners just followed the rules. What is his recourse when people ignore the rules? Which, I'm guessing, basically 50% of dog owners do, based on how many dogs I see on a leash in parks in my country, where it's mandatory but no one enforces this law. So how was the threat made? Did he say "if you don't abide by the rules, I'll shoot your dog"? To which many dog owners would reply "then I would kill you" or "you'd have to shoot me too". 

Maybe you just encountered this German after he had had too many interactions of this nature. And being typically German, I can imagine that leading to a collapse of social niceties... 

[androokery]

2 hours ago, thedevilandgod said:

The condo mandates that all dog owners use the service lift, and now we cannot use the garage to enter/exit (I do it anyway because we drive our dog places).

 

Sigh... since you only follow the rules that make sense to you, it's no wonder you're in conflict with another (German) tenant in the building. It would be interesting to hear a version of events from someone in your condo who doesn't own dogs. All the information we have about the German's behaviour comes from you. 

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, thedevilandgod said:

maybe this forum is the wrong place to ask for advice.

I think you got some good advice here, and you might consider listening to people whose opinions you don't fully agree with.

I would advise you not to get into physical confrontation with the German guy, because then you would also be in the wrong.

I would avoid legal action here, it could be an endless story, and quite expensive too.

The best chance you have to win, imo, is to get the management and the other dog owners on your side, so that the German will be isolated and cool down or leave the condo.

[The manic]

1 hour ago, secondfusilier said:

 

What a sad life you must lead if you think that animals are family.

I got my love off my real family when I was growing up, I didn't have to resort to making friends outside of my own species.

 

I do hope that you are taking your 'friend' back to America when you leave.

Not his friend ....his brother!

[The manic]

1 hour ago, thedevilandgod said:

 

Gotcha. To be fair, in front of him and the police (and several onlookers), I did say to him, "you're a sociopath and a pussy for threatening and assaulting women while they walk their dogs on their own, and if you say another word to my wife like that, I'll beat the shit out of you." The cop smiled and said I am totally allowed to because in Thai law you can defend your family. Something some of you on here need a lesson in, clearly...

 

 

This thread should be moved to the dog forum where the OP may get a sympathetic hearing. However,  one thing that ocurrs to me is that how useless the dogs are. Why dont they defend their owners?

[The manic]

1 hour ago, thedevilandgod said:

 

Gotcha. To be fair, in front of him and the police (and several onlookers), I did say to him, "you're a sociopath and a pussy for threatening and assaulting women while they walk their dogs on their own, and if you say another word to my wife like that, I'll beat the shit out of you." The cop smiled and said I am totally allowed to because in Thai law you can defend your family. Something some of you on here need a lesson in, clearly...

 

 

This does not ring true at all.

[The manic]

1 hour ago, thedevilandgod said:

 

Thanks - this might be the best route. He's hardly elderly - mid 40's with lots of "stepdaughters" visiting him on off-hours - but agreed. The cops seemed to like me, we got along well!

I doubt they are stepdaughters..Probably bar girls.  I wonder if the OP has an opinion on drivers who hang their arm out of their car window?

[BestB]

6 minutes ago, The manic said:

This does not ring true at all.

Actually it is. I had an altercation with LG service center guy, in police station cop told LG guy he was lucky that I did not kill him as he was in my house threatening me. Guy was a real “ nice guy” Cop later asked me why I did not belt the f out of him.

 

[jackdd]

4 minutes ago, BestB said:

Actually it is. I had an altercation with LG service center guy, in police station cop told LG guy he was lucky that I did not kill him as he was in my house threatening me. Guy was a real “ nice guy” Cop later asked me why I did not belt the f out of him.

 

Can you quote a law or a court ruling or do you just have what a cop once upon a time told you?

[BestB]

20 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Can you quote a law or a court ruling or do you just have what a cop once upon a time told you?

Wait let me read thai criminal penal codes and quote it for you. But to save the time , maybe you know it? 

[bwpage3]

10 hours ago, thedevilandgod said:

 

From what I was told by management, yes—the property was pet-friendly from day one. Initially the condo was zoned (or something, not sure) for 20kg at time of purchase, but as of now they only allow up to 15kg dogs.

 

I agree about the idiocy, but he's so stubborn that he wants to change the place's rules to not be pet-friendly. Since the beginning, his consistent arguing and fighting has forced our condo to change juristic managers about five times (they all quit, because he said "my job is to either get you fired or make you quit"), and he has managed to get them to change the rules so that dogs aren't allowed in the regular elevators (only the half-working service lifts), and car parks (makes no sense if I want to drive with my dog somewhere). His latest thing is to ban dogs from walking in the front of the buildings—that they can only walk in a single strip of pavement near the service lifts in the back. He says it's because he doesn't want to walk in piss. Logical, except for the fact that you live in Bangkok where filth is the norm—about a week ago they caught a driver pissing on the ground next to the building. He was well aware he could use our facilities, but chose to do so anyway.

 

He refuses to sell, anyway. Makes no sense, since there's hundreds of beautiful, new, no-pet condos in our area alone.

 

On second note, I received a line message last night from a random person in our building saying they just filed a police report yesterday, so something must've happened again while we're traveling...

You know? As a teacher and an American at that you should ask yourself?

 

Why in the world do you need to have a dog in Thailand? Let alone keep this dog in a Condo that you don't even own?

 

Is it worth all the hassle? There is so much to do in Thailand that you certainly do not need a dog.

 

What do you do when you are traveling? Let the dog mess all over the house until you come back?

 

You don't need a dog, you need a life; then you wouldn't have all these problems.

 

Don't escalate it 

[The manic]

This is an excellent thread. The best since the ' arm hanging out of the car window scandal' thread.

[jak2002003]

I have 2 small dogs.  We have a house and a large garden.  They are taken care of, fed, washed, groomed and treated with preventative medication to stop any fleas and worms etc. They are house trained, socialised to have 'manners' around people and other animals, and are trained to be obedient.  

 

They are nice to have about, fun to interact with, guests think they are cute, they provide company when I am alone, and they are good 'security' if they bark when someone is about.

 

However, there seems to be some group / kind of people that take dog ownership and dogs way too far and they always follow the same pattern:

 

Their dogs never can do any wrong, or be annoying to other people.  The dog owner has no consideration for any people or neighbours that have a problem with their dogs.

Their dogs are 'family' and they 'love' them like their own babies. They love dogs 'more then humans'.

They treat the dogs like they are humans and not dogs (which have their own different needs).

They don't care about the dogs wellbeing... they are happy to say 'love' is enough and use that as an excuse to keep the poor animals shut up in cages hours each day, or locked in a condo alone when they go to work, lingering on in pain when sick rather then being put to sleep etc.  

They start to collect or hoard dogs... saying they are 'rescuing' them.  It is like a compulsion to get more and more dogs.. and also go out and feed street dogs.

And, they are immune to the smell, noise, and mess their own dogs might create.

 

 

 

[BestB]

8 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

I have 2 small dogs.  We have a house and a large garden.  They are taken care of, fed, washed, groomed and treated with preventative medication to stop any fleas and worms etc. They are house trained, socialised to have 'manners' around people and other animals, and are trained to be obedient.  

 

They are nice to have about, fun to interact with, guests think they are cute, they provide company when I am alone, and they are good 'security' if they bark when someone is about.

 

However, there seems to be some group / kind of people that take dog ownership and dogs way too far and they always follow the same pattern:

 

Their dogs never can do any wrong, or be annoying to other people.  The dog owner has no consideration for any people or neighbours that have a problem with their dogs.

Their dogs are 'family' and they 'love' them like their own babies. They love dogs 'more then humans'.

They treat the dogs like they are humans and not dogs (which have their own different needs).

They don't care about the dogs wellbeing... they are happy to say 'love' is enough and use that as an excuse to keep the poor animals shut up in cages hours each day, or locked in a condo alone when they go to work, lingering on in pain when sick rather then being put to sleep etc.  

They start to collect or hoard dogs... saying they are 'rescuing' them.  It is like a compulsion to get more and more dogs.. and also go out and feed street dogs.

And, they are immune to the smell, noise, and mess their own dogs might create.

 

 

 

So in other words you are the true dog lover, while those who use their own time, energy and money to care for homeless and seek animals are actually weird and not considerate people?

 

Those who consider other living beings as equals deserving respect and help are the weird ones?

 

Those advocating culling all the street dogs are the good people? Because they say “ humanly”? There is nothing humane in killing another living being because it either bothers you or annoys you.

 

Seems superir race only knows how to kill, which is an irony in itself making it rather an inferior race.

 

Thankfully in this incident it was a Thai breed and a poodle, of it was a pitbul no doubt all the good people will be out in force advocating eradicating the entire breed. 

 

But , hey, now that poodle has attacked I vote to kill all poodles as it’s a danger to superir race 

 

rant over ????