Trump slams Canada over NAFTA, says rejected Trudeau meeting

[CanuckThai]

3 hours ago, dcutman said:

Could you articulate that a bit more? How exactly do you think the US would screw Canada?

Ahhh, but the largest of "turds in the punchbowl" is the American influence on Canadian oil. 

 

Where does most (almost all) Canadian oil ship to?  Who's US$ pay for the lobbyist anti (west coast) pipeline extravaganza.  Who's US$ support environmentalists that have tainted Canadian Oil Sands reputation?  Who are the biggest players in Canadian oil?  Who buys the cheapest (least expensive) oil in the world, shipped directly via pipeline (and rail) to their refineries....USA

 

Potential tariff's on Canadian oil seemed to have been ignored/bypassed..... why so?

 

 

[pegman]

34 minutes ago, CanuckThai said:

Ahhh, but the largest of "turds in the punchbowl" is the American influence on Canadian oil. 

 

Where does most (almost all) Canadian oil ship to?  Who's US$ pay for the lobbyist anti (west coast) pipeline extravaganza.  Who's US$ support environmentalists that have tainted Canadian Oil Sands reputation?  Who are the biggest players in Canadian oil?  Who buys the cheapest (least expensive) oil in the world, shipped directly via pipeline (and rail) to their refineries....USA

 

Potential tariff's on Canadian oil seemed to have been ignored/bypassed..... why so?

 

 

We ought to put a $40us levy on every exported bitumin barrel. That should kick the Koch Bros, into action. They after all own the most foreign tar sand leases and the largest Gulf Coast refineries the product is sent to.

[pegman]

1 hour ago, dcutman said:

You like most others with nothing but Trump hate cannot answer a simple question, but your Trump hate emotions can spew out all kinds of non-sense. How typical!

Wrong! I want my country done by fairly. Is that a concept your capable of understanding? The issue being discussed was retaining or not a dispute resolution process in NAFTA. Do you think if Canada imposed a 10% tariff on USA steel for national security purposes that would be reasonable? 

[sukhumvitneon]

7 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I am not a fan of Justin, but I would back him 100% on this.

 

It is a dispute-resolution mechanism that is so key. Apologies to my American friends, but the US has become so untrustworthy that to sign a deal without a clear, independent dispute-resolution system would be utter madness. What Canadian would trust the US to play fair? Five years ago we might have, but now? No.

 

lol if you think a former substitute drama teacher from the world's' least relevant western nation can negotiate this.

[oldrunner]

One country, two languages.You figure.

 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, sukhumvitneon said:

lol if you think a former substitute drama teacher from the world's' least relevant western nation can negotiate this.

If you think a guy who's consistently gone bankrupt through overpaying for properties and assets, and who has virtually no knowledge of the subject can negotiate this,...

[Thaidream]

Trump doesn't sit down and negotiate anything.  He uses his alt right minions to draw up negotiating positions and then Trump orders which one to use.  The real problem is that Trump personally dislikes Justin and everything else flows from that.

 

There should never been any tariffs placed on Canada. For God's sake- the US and Canadian economies are inter-related. We have open borders.  We speak the same language .  We watch the same TV shows.  We are integral partners in the North American Defense  Organization.

 

If the US and Mexico can  agree on a NAFTA reboot- certainly the US and Canada can compromise.  The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada.

[car720]

So this is the meeting they are having to understand why there is no meeting.

Trump may be a negotiator but he is not a diplomat and not everything in the world is about trade.

[canuckamuck]

6 hours ago, pegman said:

I'm on the prairies right now and just asked around. Yup, everyone here hates Trump alright. In my six decades living on the prairies half that time we have had social democrate governments. Our next door prairie cousins were the first to start socialized medicine in Canada under the CCF. That leaves the other prairie province, Alberta, that is now NDP ruled. 

The PostMedia chain owns nearly all the print news in Canada and it's all right wing. I don't think any of their papers have ever endorsed any party other than the terrible Tories.

I am sure a dyed in the wool socialist like yourself isn't welcome at too many parties in the Prairies. So I assume the folks you asked are all with you in some obscure, snowflake, safe-space (probably in Edmonton), hoping for a ride back to Victoria or Toronto. I will give you that Canada has inflicted upon itself social democratic stooges for the majority of my lifetime. We did have those glorious years with Harper, but I am certain that was peak of rational awakening for Canada. I am sure we will never again have a pro Canada government. Saskatchewan was truly socialist for a time, but they came to their senses. Alberta went NDP because we had two full fledged conservative parties to choose from. Spoiled for choice, we split the vote and the prize slipped to the losers on the left - an irony of biblical proportions.

That bit about the newspapers, does anyone read newspapers? Do you think the CBC has any influence in Canada?

[canuckamuck]

7 hours ago, pegman said:

Trump's approval rating in Canada is 9%. The low life's in your company are the likes of Harpo & O'Leary. Besides that there is no such thing as a Liberal ideologue. 

Well not a classic Liberal  ideologue. The left is against all that freedom these days so classic liberals are right of center. Trudeau is the epitome of a cultural Marxist ideologue...     peoplekind????

[duanebigsby]

10 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Trudeau is unfit to handle business negotiations with a veteran like Trump. Obviously! You will notice soft heads increase to either sides of the prairies in Canada, that's where the anti Trump message of the MSM has found a place to fester.

If Trudeau were unfit, there would be a bad for Canada NAFTA agreement done right now.

[duanebigsby]

8 hours ago, mikebike said:

I know!!

 

Softwood lumber and dairy!!

 

They've been trying for decades.

Not exactly trying, been doing it for ages!!!

[bristolboy]

27 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Well not a classic Liberal  ideologue. The left is against all that freedom these days so classic liberals are right of center. Trudeau is the epitome of a cultural Marxist ideologue...     peoplekind????

And apparently, there is almost no such thing as a pro-Trump canadian. Yourself, and the rest of the 9% excepted.

[duanebigsby]

4 hours ago, sukhumvitneon said:

lol if you think a former substitute drama teacher from the world's' least relevant western nation can negotiate this.

As opposed to a beauty pageant host and bankrupt businessman from the world's most arrogant nation.

Trudeau was brought up with politics. He knows how to negotiate.

 

[bristolboy]

The thing about these negotiations if and when they do take place, is that Trudeau does have one very important set of allies on his side: Republicans in Congress and the Senate. Many if not the majority are opposed to Trump separating Canada and Mexico. The authority Congress gave Trump to negotiate stipulated that whatever agreement was arrived at was to be amongst the 3 nations. These Republicans have repeatedly made that very clear.

And a majority of Republicans have warm feelings towards Canada.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/28/americans-have-mixed-views-of-mexico-warmer-feelings-toward-canada/

[canuckamuck]

47 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And apparently, there is almost no such thing as a pro-Trump canadian. Yourself, and the rest of the 9% excepted.

Well you have the genius class, and then the other 91%.

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Well you have the genius class, and then the other 91%.

Considering what Trump wants to do to the Canadian economy, I'd call that 9% the turncoat class.

[sirineou]

16 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

 

Yes but on the other hand, if only we had a Prime Minister who was as singularly focused for Britain as Trump is for America.

 

 The only thing Trump is singularly focused on is himself.

[Chelseafan]

23 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 The only thing Trump is singularly focused on is himself.

Says you

 

[Chelseafan]

9 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Trump doesn't sit down and negotiate anything.  He uses his alt right minions to draw up negotiating positions and then Trump orders which one to use.  The real problem is that Trump personally dislikes Justin and everything else flows from that.

 

There should never been any tariffs placed on Canada. For God's sake- the US and Canadian economies are inter-related. We have open borders.  We speak the same language .  We watch the same TV shows.  We are integral partners in the North American Defense  Organization.

 

If the US and Mexico can  agree on a NAFTA reboot- certainly the US and Canada can compromise.  The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada.

I may be wrong but don't you need a passport to visit each others country? Not exactly open borders...or do you mean trade ?

 

Why shouldn't tariffs be in place. What makes Canada & US so special versus the US and any other country in the world - The UK and the US speak the same language, watch the same shows and coordinate on defense and joint exercises especially in the middle east and when if we leave the EU do you think there won't be tariffs agreed for both countries ?

 

"The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada."

 

Really ? Do you have any backup on this ? I'm not disputing it but from what I can see the US is very much split down the middle...

 

 

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, Chelseafan said:

I may be wrong but don't you need a passport to visit each others country? Not exactly open borders...or do you mean trade ?

 

Why shouldn't tariffs be in place. What makes Canada & US so special versus the US and any other country in the world - The UK and the US speak the same language, watch the same shows and coordinate on defense and joint exercises especially in the middle east and when if we leave the EU do you think there won't be tariffs agreed for both countries ?

 

"The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada."

 

Really ? Do you have any backup on this ? I'm not disputing it but from what I can see the US is very much split down the middle...

 

 

You have absolutely zero understanding of the history of US-Canada relations. 

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, Chelseafan said:

Says you

 

Me and many mental health professionals.

If interested google "psychologists trump"

Edited September 27, 2018 by sirineou
typo

[tomacht8]

and again and again.
Trump is a fool without respect. his selfish arrogance makes him no friends. not even a friendly word for its neighbors. his mental illness is progressing steadily. In the case of Canada, its exhilaration to the fresh and youthful agility of the Canadian pm is evident.
Trump is mentally unfit for the office of President of the United States. How long will it take for the US population to pull the rip cord here?
The senile clown inflicts so much damage that the entire UN assembly can only laugh at this idiot.

[bristolboy]

7 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

I may be wrong but don't you need a passport to visit each others country? Not exactly open borders...or do you mean trade ?

 

Why shouldn't tariffs be in place. What makes Canada & US so special versus the US and any other country in the world - The UK and the US speak the same language, watch the same shows and coordinate on defense and joint exercises especially in the middle east and when if we leave the EU do you think there won't be tariffs agreed for both countries ?

 

"The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada."

 

Really ? Do you have any backup on this ? I'm not disputing it but from what I can see the US is very much split down the middle...

 

 

Yes you are wrong.

"The Canadian government requires citizens of the United States to have a passport to fly to or transit through a Canadian airport, but not to enter Canada by land or by boat. For those travelers, in lieu of a passport, Canada requires that you carry proof of your citizenship, such as a birth certificate, certificate of citizenship or naturalization, or a Certificate of Indian Status, as well as photo identification."

https://www.tripsavvy.com/americans-need-passport-to-visit-canada-1481664

 

And there are some tariffs in place but they're mostly very very low. And it is abnormal to go from low tariffs to high tariffs. Especially on the specious grounds of national security. Or do you believe that Canada poses a threat to the United States?

 

As for American attitudes towards Canada:

Americans Like Canada Most, North Korea Leastor Americans' attitudes towards Canada:

• 94% of Americans view Canada favorably; 6% view North Korea favorably
• Six in 10 Americans have a positive image of Haiti
• Countries viewed most favorably are among harshest critics of U.S. leadership

https://news.gallup.com/poll/228293/americans-canada-north-korea-least.aspx

[Stargeezr]

 Trump is a saint all right, how many bankruptcies has he been through?

  You Americans have an admitted p*ssy grabbing bully for a leader, nothing more. This guy will hopefully be gone without bankrupting the USA and Canada in the next 2 years. Trudeau is no hero either, and I will be happy when he is back in the private sector.  The US has also treated other countries shamefully in the recent past, remember Puerto Rico and how it was treated after the last  disaster. Hurricane Maria is still affecting so many people and all I seen Trump do was toss some towels to the crowd. I do not think that the USA is any more fair than any other country, and I do believe that Trump is just trying to stir up everyone and every country that he can.

Geezer

 

[Chelseafan]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Yes you are wrong.

"The Canadian government requires citizens of the United States to have a passport to fly to or transit through a Canadian airport, but not to enter Canada by land or by boat. For those travelers, in lieu of a passport, Canada requires that you carry proof of your citizenship, such as a birth certificate, certificate of citizenship or naturalization, or a Certificate of Indian Status, as well as photo identification."

https://www.tripsavvy.com/americans-need-passport-to-visit-canada-1481664

 

And there are some tariffs in place but they're mostly very very low. And it is abnormal to go from low tariffs to high tariffs. Especially on the specious grounds of national security. Or do you believe that Canada poses a threat to the United States?

 

As for American attitudes towards Canada:

Americans Like Canada Most, North Korea Leastor Americans' attitudes towards Canada:

• 94% of Americans view Canada favorably; 6% view North Korea favorably
• Six in 10 Americans have a positive image of Haiti
• Countries viewed most favorably are among harshest critics of U.S. leadership

https://news.gallup.com/poll/228293/americans-canada-north-korea-least.aspx

Ok So you need a passport to fly or ID to enter by land and sea.....so NOT an open border then

 

I don't like Tariffs and I don't like Trump even more so. I find him abhorrent BUT he has introduced a new type of politics and his message his loud and clear. America First. Whether you like it or not, he does appeal to a certain type of voter.

[Chelseafan]

8 hours ago, mikebike said:

You have absolutely zero understanding of the history of US-Canada relations. 

On the contary, the comment was

 

"The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada."

 

I've no doubt there is a cordial friendship between Americans and Canadians but not necessarily on trade.

 

 

[mikebike]

5 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

Ok So you need a passport to fly or ID to enter by land and sea.....so NOT an open border then

 

I don't like Tariffs and I don't like Trump even more so. I find him abhorrent BUT he has introduced a new type of politics and his message his loud and clear. America First. Whether you like it or not, he does appeal to a certain type of voter.

His message is "America First".

 

His actions are "America Alone".

 

Nothing new in that philosophy except that it now comes from the WH and not the fringes.

[mikebike]

4 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

On the contary, the comment was

 

"The majority of Americans support Canadian friendship and trade and do not like the way Trump reacts to Canada."

 

I've no doubt there is a cordial friendship between Americans and Canadians but not necessarily on trade.

 

 

So to support your knowledge of US-Canada relations you deny the factual history of US-Canada trade relations. Good job!!

[bristolboy]

Your statement was 

 

5 hours ago, Chelseafan said:

Ok So you need a passport to fly or ID to enter by land and sea.....so NOT an open border then

 

I don't like Tariffs and I don't like Trump even more so. I find him abhorrent BUT he has introduced a new type of politics and his message his loud and clear. America First. Whether you like it or not, he does appeal to a certain type of voter.

Let me remind you of what you wrote: 

"I may be wrong but don't you need a passport to visit each others country? Not exactly open borders...or do you mean trade ?"

You were the one who established the criterion, not me. You were wrong, Indisputably and indubitably wrong. Man up and admit it.

I never claimed it was an open border. But to those millions of Americans who travel to Canada via land, and to those Canadians who travel to the USA,it isn't much of a border at all. Much much more open than most borders.

 

Edited September 28, 2018 by bristolboy