Has Samui Gone To The "dogs"?

[yabs]

they use tescos in large numbers

again just goes top prove what uncultured chavs and sad c*** samui attracts

[southwest19]

they use tescos in large numbers

again just goes top prove what uncultured chavs and sad c*** samui attracts

There you go again just proving my previous comment that when you lose the argument you resort to insults. Maybe the moderator instead of closing down this thread should expel one individual who thinks it is ok to insult anyone who does not agree with him or shops in tesco etc etc.

You have managed to totally discredit yourself with all thses rants froma person who first cam to Samui all those years ago in 2002 and has not been here in 2 years and failed to spot a jet ski in Lamai.

Unlike you I am not going to resort to insults i will just go by the facts

[yabs]

perhaps bangkok airways should change their poster

instead of tropical fish and palm trees they should show a big tescos and S ubways

after all thats obvioulsy what people go for these days

Unbelievable

[southwest19]

perhaps bangkok airways should change their poster

instead of tropical fish and palm trees they should show a big tescos and S ubways

after all thats obvioulsy what people go for these days

Unbelievable

I resent being called a chav or the accusation that I take illegal drugs I have not insulted you yet you feel fit to throw groundless insults at anyone who does not agree with you or even visits Tesco on Samui.

SBK I think we have now discovered that Yabs does not really know much about Samui at all and his insults call for immediate expulsion rather then the closing of this thread where adults can still offer opinions without resorting to insulting one another.

[yabs]

I never directly insulted you.

as for facts you need to understand the difference between opinions, uneducated guesses and facts.

you have never posted one fact at all.

please post something which proves that the resorts don't dump their waste out to sea and that with this progress

the marine life and environment which if you travel all this way to a beach should interest you has benefiited.

Also another point is that a few year s back it was still posiible to get some good local food rather than eat wwestern food. again if i'm travelling to a different country i want toi sample particularly in thailand which has the worlds best food in my opinion. when i returned two years back these places were closing down. seems lasgana anbd chips and burger king is what people want these days and of course subways.

so to soem up people travel here to ride jetskies, eat western food and basiaclly just look for their home country in the sun.

why on earth don't they just stick to the mediteranean?

thaialdn is actauully worse then spain now as at least spanish islands keep their developemnt on one ort two areas and live the rest of the islans nice, but not samui they seem intent in turning every last bit into an overdevloped pit.

I will state a fact

if you still like samui then you are without doubt completly tasteless

[southwest19]

I never directly insulted you.

as for facts you need to understand the difference between opinions, uneducated guesses and facts.

you have never posted one fact at all.

please post something which proves that the resorts don't dump their waste out to sea and that with this progress

the marine life and environment which if you travel all this way to a beach should interest you has benefiited.

Also another point is that a few year s back it was still posiible to get some good local food rather than eat wwestern food. again if i'm travelling to a different country i want toi sample particularly in thailand which has the worlds best food in my opinion. when i returned two years back these places were closing down. seems lasgana anbd chips and burger king is what people want these days and of course subways.

so to soem up people travel here to ride jetskies, eat western food and basiaclly just look for their home country in the sun.

why on earth don't they just stick to the mediteranean?

thaialdn is actauully worse then spain now as at least spanish islands keep their developemnt on one ort two areas and live the rest of the islans nice, but not samui they seem intent in turning every last bit into an overdevloped pit.

I will state a fact

if you still like samui then you are without doubt completly tasteless

You are off the scale there you go again with the insults which I think are direct I like Samui you do not what gives you the right to say I am completely tasteless?

I am not even going to bother responding to anymore of your rants as I don't need to. People who read this forum can draw their own conclusions but just bear in mind I am someone who first visited Samui in the 80's and Yabs is someone who first came in 2002 and visited a total of three whole times the last being two years ago and he now regards himself as a 'leading authority' on Samui.

[sbk]

Unfortunately a poster can't be expelled for being ignorant

And I don't think yabs did actually call anyone personally a chav, just the people who use Tescos. So, as much as I agree with you, until this person actually steps over the line from being annoying to actually being abusive, I suggest you put this person on your ignore list.

But, I am with you, I find yabs arguments weak coming from a person who has 1) never actually lived on Samui and 2) hasn't been there for 2 years.

Personally, I think this could be an interesting conversation if it weren't for a few people who feel the need to wind other people up with their complete lack of information.

Lets all relax a bit and take my advice, do not bother responding to uninformed posters

[yabs]

diddums

I never directly called you a chav although seeing as its mostly chavs who go there

you have to wonder

Jens I will now state my opinion on the direct reason why indeed samui has indeed gone to the dogs or should that be chavs.

Its mostly due to Taksin. before taksin Samui appealed to back packers and independent travellers

taksin hated backpackers and wanted more "quality" tourists. However seeing as the tourists with big money go to real paradises that actaully take care of their environment ie maldives, seychelles, hawaii , Australia etc, and with Thailands polluted holes there was no way he would attract these there was only one market left, The Spanish and mediteraenean package market. thats why you can now get cheap packages to samui, phuket etc from the Uk for 350 quid .

so out with the backapcker and in with the Chav package tourists who obviously like it as it sounds more exotic to their mates , they can shag a cheap hooker and get a cheap addition to their tattoo collection, hence Samui etc have begun to caTER to this mindless crowd. Football games are shown round the clock and i'm sure fish and chip shops will be next

whilst people can sit in bars watching reruns of eastenders and an english comedy.

yeah nice one Toxin

sorry but i went to thaialnd to escape this crowd and thats why i won't be going back to phuket or samui

[yabs]

sorry I didn';t know you had to live there to form an opinion and twop years is not really that long ago

or in thailands case i guess it is.

I travelled round the whole island and i have already stated that i thought the vistas were nice but when i went back again

a huge amount of more development had taken place even in the interior and even previoulsy quiet places like Mae nam etc had more development. I have been to countless islands and thus believe i am in the position to offer an informed

opinion on it. How many have you been to?

as i said i primarily look for good snorekelling and tropical seclusion

i thought thats what everyone looked for from a tropical island?

sure it has the palm trees and the sand was nice, but i';m sorry but the sea itself sucked.

ok it has more rustic charm than say phuket but on the swimming and snorklling front Phuket wins hands down.

I think Koh Phanghan is gorgeous although i'm sure that has got more developed since i was there

but samui to me just seems like a scruffy island. so much potential but just ruined by thoughtless development

[sbk]

yabs, If one is to have an informed opinion of a place it is better to have actually spent some serious time there rather than as a tourist a few years ago. Since the OP was actually talking about recent changes, of which, you could possibly have no information since you haven't been on the island for 2 years, then yes, your opinion is worthless. Sorry.

[churchill]

Samui is changing like everywhere else that attracts tourists and people that what to retire . It does need more spent on infrastructure and there are some bad developments but Samui now has some very good restaurants and hotels . For instance Four Seasons just opened near Nathon , with its own private beach . Not everyone sits in bars watching football and eating junk food !

Chaweng is overdeveloped but there are many other places with near deserted , pristine beaches on samui if you can be bothered to look .

I am sure one could find faults with any location - nowhere is perfect -( Where do you live yabs ? )- but Samui will get better over the next years as much needed investment arrives .

Samui is developing very fast , probably too fast - but I believe we are at the stage where things will start to improve . Many people come to Samui as one can still find perfect beaches , a bit of ropical paradise but with the convienience of 5 * Hotels and Restaurants .

[yabs]

well if these recent changes are good ones then i'm all ears, but seeing as from 5 years ago

to 2 years ago it had changed drastically for the worse then It doesn't take sherlock to realize that by now

it must be a mess

I've never known in my years of independent travel of a place in asia actually getting better

overdevelopment and environmental ruin are the way it always goes as places get more popular.

[yabs]

churchill

i fail to agree

the only beaches with decent swimming due to water depths are chaweng and lamai

and they are hardly deserted. if you want some deserted stretch of sand then sure you can find it but the sea will be murkey and too shallow to swim. not what i'm into . I also couldn't giev a toss about 5 star resorts

as long as its not high rise, has aircon, is clean and quiet i couldn't give a toss if uts 5 star or not

usually 5 star ones have no character or atmosphere.

once a place gets a 5 star resort then its also finished as far as i'm concerned.

I hate commercialisation

I've been to places in asia that fit the bill of what i'm after

ie rustic charm, tropical seclusion, good snorkelling, good food and nice but cheap places to stay

and not one of those places was in Samui. I'm guessing 10 years ago samui had this.

it hasn't now so in my opinion it has gone to the dogs.

Koh phanghan still fits the bill outside of had rin

Samui doesn't even get close

[yabs]

churchill

you are very optimistic

Samui is just too small to accomodate millions of tourists

its possible to support small fishing communities but thats about it.

even with better infrastructure i fail to see how all this people pressure can ever be good for the environment

[StickKettleOn]

Actualy.... bugger it. What is the point. I find myself getting more and more wound up on this forum as a result of people like Yabs. I take heed with the following very usefull pointer;

Quoate, SBK; But, I am with you, I find yabs arguments weak coming from a person who has 1) never actually lived on Samui and 2) hasn't been there for 2 years.

And this;

Quote, SW19; I am someone who first visited Samui in the 80's and Yabs is someone who first came in 2002 and visited a total of three whole times the last being two years ago and he now regards himself as a 'leading authority' on Samui.

Little point in continuing this talk. Pulling teeth, with Yabs, is not my favourate pastime and is surely a waste of time also.

On this note, I realy am out of this thread! Cheers.

[SamuiJens]

Has the expats on samui NOT noticed the sharp increace of "bar girls"? But we all love to hear how hansum we are!

[terry57]

Has the expats on samui NOT noticed the sharp increace of "bar girls"? But we all love to hear how hansum we are!

hey jens,

you getting your money's worth out of this thread.

nice work my old mate.

[SamuiJens]

Has the expats on samui NOT noticed the sharp increace of "bar girls"? But we all love to hear how hansum we are!

hey jens,

you getting your money's worth out of this thread.

nice work my old mate.

No, mr.T, NOT money, opinions and some waste water!

[yabs]

so Kettle to get back on track are you going to provide any evidence of waste water treatment or how

this "progress" has benefitted Samui?

I'm surprised with the price of samuyi bushy plate these days you remain so upbeat

[SamuiJens]

So Jens.... aside from moaning like a big sodding girls blouse, what are you actualy doing about these 'problems'. Go on. Do tell. Aside from hiding behind your keyboard and spending every waking second of the day on Thai Visa - what are you doing about it?

Me? I'm from the likes of you.

Yabs - I am going to go through your most recent posts and make you look foolish once more. You and you retard friend Jens can digest, and reply with the usual 'Tesco/Chav/Water retort which got you into this mess in the first place, once I have finished with you. In the meantime, I have a life to enjoy. You may consider this option yourself. Dullard.

Edited February 24, 2007 by SamuiJens

[terry57]

so Kettle to get back on track are you going to provide any evidence of waste water treatment or how

this "progress" has benefitted Samui?

I'm surprised with the price of samuyi bushy plate these days you remain so upbeat

MR yabs,

you have been very animated in this debate, presented some not so valid points, amoungst some very valid points.

i feel your last question is worthy of an informed reply, without emotion, but dealing with the subject at hand.

im sure brother jen's could help MR kettle, on where to buy samui bushy plate at a resonable and fair price.

thank you very much.

reverend " terence "

[CCC]

same same with people like yourself kettle

I agin ask the question if you like Samui why do you bother to travel halfway around the world when you can find the same but better on ibiza or majorca

I have lived & worked in Ibiza for the last eight year's as a club promoter,it is not the same as samui I know how & why you may think this but end of day samui still is thailand & far the better place...

[churchill]

same same with people like yourself kettle

I agin ask the question if you like Samui why do you bother to travel halfway around the world when you can find the same but better on ibiza or majorca

please i'd love to know the reason

although i'm sure jens states the reason in his last post

What is similar or better on Ibiza or Majorca ? Both very crowded , and lots of 18-30 .

[SamuiJens]

Seriously, Kettle, I clean the beaches+, and You?

[yabs]

really i beg to differ

ibiza still has pockets of pritine beauty unadulterated by tourism and alkso has good music

Samuis beaches are all adulterated by tourism

well the ones worth bothering with are anyway

the thais can't help themselves they have to build everywhere

money is the ONLY thing that matters

[yabs]

I think this snippet from travel Fish sums the situation up perfectly

"With over a million visitors a year, Ko Samui's inadequate infrastructure is at breaking point, yet development continues unabated. Huge swathes of land are cordoned off for developers to slap up massive "luxurious" residential compounds -- well away from the chaotic mess some of the beachside developments have become. Then, as Ko Samui's first million-dollar house was sold, the lure of big bucks has even more developers scrambling for a piece of the action.

As the lush inland areas are deforested and concreted, topsoil run-off blights the roads in wet-season -- even a short downpour leaves many roads awash in red water -- areas such as Bophut and Chaweng flood in an instant. At times you can really be left scratching your head wondering if anyone really cares about what a mess parts of the island have become."

no need to say anymore really

I think my opinion concurs with many more acclaimed writers and websites .

I havn't seen anything in print to back kettles opinion up

[CCC]

really i beg to differ

ibiza still has pockets of pritine beauty unadulterated by tourism and alkso has good music

Samuis beaches are all adulterated by tourism

well the ones worth bothering with are anyway

the thais can't help themselves they have to build everywhere

money is the ONLY thing that matters

Ibiza has some great beauty yes but some real big shit holes as well!!!

Good music what do you mean by this??Samui get's the same djs as well

Ibiza is not a all year around island only from may-sept really.

Ibiza also only care's about money as does any tourism place it is what has been the main source of income in Ibiza for the last 30 year's+

[koheesti]

Samui is not ...on the hippy trail

Well, that's GOOD news.

[CCC]

yabs I think you just summed it up in your last post mate

"with a MILLION visitors a year to Samui"

I think it say's it there a "MILLION" visitors each year to Samui they all can't be wrong can they????

I also have read it could go up to 1.5m visitors per year.

I guess it's just not wright for you Yabs mate,

But is for me & the other 1 Million people each year

[yabs]

I will again quote this from travelfish a well respected online travel independent travel site dedicated to South east asia

"With over a million visitors a year, Ko Samui's inadequate infrastructure is at breaking point, yet development continues unabated. Huge swathes of land are cordoned off for developers to slap up massive "luxurious" residential compounds -- well away from the chaotic mess some of the beachside developments have become. Then, as Ko Samui's first million-dollar house was sold, the lure of big bucks has even more developers scrambling for a piece of the action.

As the lush inland areas are deforested and concreted, topsoil run-off blights the roads in wet-season -- even a short downpour leaves many roads awash in red water -- areas such as Bophut and Chaweng flood in an instant. At times you can really be left scratching your head wondering if anyone really cares about what a mess parts of the island have become."