Under a changing sky

[zzaa09]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Maybe... but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. 

Try what?

We wouldn't have the first clue. 

 

 

The end is near.

Best get one's affairs in order.

 

A few will survive. 

The connected few.

[Nyezhov]

20 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Try what?

We wouldn't have the first clue. 

 

 

The end is near.

Best get one's affairs in order.

 

A few will survive. 

The connected few.

I wish I was younger and could do the Mad Max gig...I would make a wonderful Great Humongous....

[manarak]

7 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Don’t care what the cost is in taxes. 

because... you don't pay any?

it's a common trait of "activists" of all kinds to require others to pay for their "projects"

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Cool pay my share. In fact, I assume you are living under a scenario wherein you consume and/or produce nothing so as not to have a negative impact on climate?

I recognise that global warming is happening.

 

I do not stick my head in the sand and deny it is happening. 

 

I am involved in local initiatives to reduce, reuse and recycle. 

 

I take every effort to do all three on my part.

 

I don’t own or use private cars/motorcycles and never have. I walk or use public transport.

 

If it’s not essential I don’t have it. 

 

If it’s broken I repair it. 

 

I don’t use or accept items in plastic bags. 

 

As far as it is possible I do not buy goods that come in plastic bottles. 

 

I avoid as much as possible packaged foods and only buy fresh goods that I can cook myself from scratch. I bring my own bags to put them in of course. 

 

I do not consume, waste or use beyond my needs.

 

While it is true we all impact in some way and that is unavoidable, we can all reduce to a minimum what we do.

 

I try...

 

How about you?

 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

Try what?

We wouldn't have the first clue. 

 

 

The end is near.

Best get one's affairs in order.

 

A few will survive. 

The connected few.

Ah, tin foil hat time. 

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, manarak said:

because... you don't pay any?

it's a common trait of "activists" of all kinds to require others to pay for their "projects"

What would you say is a common trait of those who make baseless, inaccurate assumptions about others?

[canuckamuck]

2 minutes ago, manarak said:

because... you don't pay any?

it's a common trait of "activists" of all kinds to require others to pay for their "projects"

I think the government should create an additional tax that they can then distribute to people and those people can then pay more tax to increase the funding for government programs.

But don't give me any credit, I stole the idea from Ocasia Cortez.

[fforest1]

18 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I recognise that global warming is happening.

 

I do not stick my head in the sand and deny it is happening. 

 

I am involved in local initiatives to reduce, reuse and recycle. 

 

I take every effort to do all three on my part.

 

I don’t own or use private cars/motorcycles and never have. I walk or use public transport.

 

If it’s not essential I don’t have it. 

 

If it’s broken I repair it. 

 

I don’t use or accept items in plastic bags. 

 

As far as it is possible I do not buy goods that come in plastic bottles. 

 

I avoid as much as possible packaged foods and only buy fresh goods that I can cook myself from scratch. I bring my own bags to put them in of course. 

 

I do not consume, waste or use beyond my needs.

 

While it is true we all impact in some way and that is unavoidable, we can all reduce to a minimum what we do.

 

I try...

 

How about you?

 

Me I love driving my SUV.....I would not ride a bicycle if you payed me ....I like plastic...I love plastic bags they are very convent...I love coal power plants I get cheap power so I can run my air-con all day....I believe in recycling I see a

trash-can I throw my trash in it,the trash then goes to the dump recycling complete....Life is good.... 

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

Me I love driving my SUV.....I would not ride a bicycle if you payed me ....I like plastic...I love plastic bags they are very convent...I love coal power plants I get cheap power so I can run my air-con all day....I believe in recycling I see a

trash-can I throw my trash in it,the trash then goes to the dump recycling complete....Life is good.... 

☕

[DrTuner]

6 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

The end is near.

Best get one's affairs in order.

 

A few will survive. 

The connected few.

[Joe Mcseismic]

Anyone that thinks you can pump billions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere over more than a hundred years and not affect the weather is delusional.

[assayer]

So where was the ACTION a couple of days ago when the visibility was at 1 kilometer in Doi Saket because of farmers already burning?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 10/6/2018 at 5:13 PM, Black arab said:

Global warming is another corporate con and we all fell for it.

 

That's not what the historic global temperate readings and data show:

 

The past decade has had most of the hottest years on record since records started being kept.

 

 

http://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperatures-2017/

[Lacessit]

23 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

A flash in a pan.

Jumping on the fashionable band wagon - it's all the rage. 

 

 

If we know anything, the climate change issues/activism [pro or con] are highly profitable. 

Business as usual. 

 

 

Think about it.

You don't seem to have bothered, except to regurgitate the tired right-wing mantras. Business as usual is right.

[Lacessit]

20 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Global warming is as fake as a 3 dollar bill...And the cure for Global Warming is lots and lots of new taxes....lol.....That the sheep cant wait to pay...

Global warming is real. The melting of the Larsen Ice Shelf, Greenland glaciers and the threat to water supply from the Tibetan Plateau is real.

The solution is to develop renewable energy, and wean mankind off the fossil fuels responsible for global warming. Progress is being made despite opposition from vested interests.

I can't see you offering any cure, only an ignorant diatribe.

[fforest1]

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Global warming is real. The melting of the Larsen Ice Shelf, Greenland glaciers and the threat to water supply from the Tibetan Plateau is real.

The solution is to develop renewable energy, and wean mankind off the fossil fuels responsible for global warming. Progress is being made despite opposition from vested interests.

I can't see you offering any cure, only an ignorant diatribe.

The cure is to first realize you have been brain washed with this scare mongering climate change propaganda.......Just keep repeating I am not a Sheeple...

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

That's not what the historic global temperate readings and data show:

Love to know where they got the average temperature up near Victoria Nyanza and Mt Erebus in 1860. 

 

PS....if you want to support your point, may I suggest you forgo sources with the name "Berkeley" ????

[canuckamuck]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's not what the historic global temperate readings and data show:

 

The past decade has had most of the hottest years on record since records started being kept.

 

 

http://berkeleyearth.org/global-temperatures-2017/

Means nothing. In a warming trend the last ten years are obviously going to be the hottest.

Have a look at the last 10000 years, how many records were set in that time frame?

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Love to know where they got the average temperature up near Victoria Nyanza and Mt Erebus in 1860. 

 

PS....if you want to support your point, may I suggest you forgo sources with the name "Berkeley" ????

 

I'd suggest there are few more respected sources for valid science that from UC Berkeley and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory -- not withstanding your attempted cheap shot.
 

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Berkeley Earth was conceived by Richard and Elizabeth Muller in early 2010 when they found merit in some of the concerns of skeptics. They organized a group of scientists to reanalyze the Earth’s surface temperature record, and published their initial findings in 2012. Berkeley Earth became an independent non-profit 501(c)(3) in February 2013.

 

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Richard Muller is Professor of Physics at the University of California at Berkeley, Faculty Senior Scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, President of Muller & Associates LLC, and a Managing Partner at Global Shale.

Rich has been awarded the MacArthur Prize, the National Science Foundation Alan T. Waterman Award, the Texas Instruments Foundation Founders Prize, the Distinguished Teaching Award, and the Donald Sterling Noyce Prize. He was named by Newsweek as one of top 25 innovators in the US in all fields in 1989, and featured in Forbes Magazine in March 2009. He is a fellow of the American Physical Society, American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the California Academy of Sciences. He is the author of over 120 scientific articles and eight books, including Physics for Future Presidents: The Science Behind the Headlines (Norton, 2008).

 

 

 

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Arthur Rosenfeld

Board Director, Distinguished Scientist Emeritus at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. Former California Energy Commissioner. Enrico Fermi Award (the US highest scientific honor, presented in 2006 on behalf of President Bush by Secretary of Energy, Bodman); Global Energy Prize, presented in 2010 by Russian President Medvedev; 2011 National Medal of Technology and Innovation, presented in 2013, by President Barack Obama; Szilard Award for Physics in the Public Interest; Carnot Award for Energy Efficiency from the U.S. Department of Energy. Co-Founded the Center for Building Science at Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. Seminal role in the development of compact fluorescent lights, efficient appliances, others. Prior work: co- discoverer of a large number of elementary particles; co-author of the classic text, Nuclear Physics, with Enrico Fermi and others.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Means nothing. In a warming trend the last ten years are obviously going to be the hottest.

Have a look at the last 10000 years, how many records were set in that time frame?

 

 

That's not a chart of any kind of world temperature readings, so I'm not sure what that data, even if accurate, has to do with the modern world and climate change.

 

And why would the last 10 years "obviously going to be the hottest"?  Actually among the hottest since readings were begun in 1980...   And presumably the answer is -- climate change and global warming due to human influence and world industrialization.

 

[Nyezhov]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I'd suggest there are few more respected sources for valid science that from UC Berkeley and the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory -- not withstanding your attempted cheap shot.

I suggest you look at the smiley face.

 

And how did your distinguished Professors get the temperature in 1860 up in the Kolyma? Timem machine?

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I'll let the world scientific consensus speak for itself, notwithstanding the denyers, Trumpists and other alternate facts proponents:

 

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Scientific discussion

Main article: Scientific opinion on climate change

The discussion continues in scientific articles that are peer-reviewed and assessed by scientists who work in the relevant fields and participate in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The scientific consensus as of 2013 stated in the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report is that it "is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century".^[249] A 2008 report by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences stated that most scientists by then agreed that observed warming in recent decades was primarily caused by human activities increasing the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.^[83] In 2005 the Royal Society stated that while the overwhelming majority of scientists were in agreement on the main points, some individuals and organizations opposed to the consensus on urgent action needed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions had tried to undermine the science and work of the IPCC.^[250] National science academies have called on world leaders for policies to cut global emissions.^[251]
 

In the scientific literature, there is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases.^[252] No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.^[253][254] In November 2017, a second warning to humanity signed by 15,364 scientists from 184 countries stated that "the current trajectory of potentially catastrophic climate change due to rising greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels, deforestation, and agricultural production – particularly from farming ruminants for meat consumption" is "especially troubling".^[255] A July 2017 study published in Environmental Research Letters asserts that the most significant action individuals could make to mitigate their own carbon footprint is to have fewer children, followed by living vehicle free, forgoing air travel and adopting a plant-based diet.^[256]

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#Scientific_discussion

 

[Nyezhov]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

'll let the world scientific consensus speak for itself, notwithstanding the denyers alternate facts proponents:

You mean heretics that don't beleive in the upcoming rapture?

 

Not that I would object mind you...there are too many of us.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, Nyezhov said:

You mean heretics that don't beleive in the upcoming rapture?

 

Not that I would object mind you...there are too many of us.

 

I'm not a climatologist, and I suspect neither are you. But unlike you, apparently, I'm at least smart enough to listen to and heed those who are the acknowledged world experts on these matters and on their consensus that is virtually undisputed by creditable, independent scientific organizations.

[Nyezhov]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'm not a climatologist, and I suspect neither are you. But unlike you, apparently, I'm at least smart enough to listen to and heed those who are the acknowledged world experts on these matters and on their consensus that is virtually undisputed by creditable, independent scientific organizations.

Why the name calling dude? Because I am skeptical of folks who have political agendas tied up with the "scientific" claims. You think Michael Mann is credible by the way? If all this hoopdedo is real, why haven't the oceans flooded us out as per predictions among other doom and gloom?

[mauGR1]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'm not a climatologist, and I suspect neither are you. But unlike you, apparently, I'm at least smart enough to listen to and heed those who are the acknowledged world experts on these matters and on their consensus that is virtually undisputed by creditable, independent scientific organizations.

Well, although i'm a skeptic, i'm not in denial either, but i would like to know if there are studies on how to reverse the trend of global warming, how many years would it take to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy, what the impact on the economy, and after that, how many years for the planet to be clean... All that , of course, without culling 80 or 90 % of the world population.

Everything is possible, but it seems very, very hard.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

28 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

 If all this hoopdedo is real, why haven't the oceans flooded us out as per predictions among other doom and gloom?

 

It's happening, slowly, gradually, all around the world. You're just not paying attention, perhaps deliberately so. You seem to be like the frog who doesn't know any better to jump out of the pot being slowly brought to a boil.

 

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A warmer world makes for nastier hurricanes. Scientists say they are wetter, possess more energy and intensify faster.

Their storm surges are more destructive because climate change has already made the seas rise. And lately, the storms seem to be stalling more often and thus dumping more rain.

Study after study shows that climate change in general makes hurricanes worse.

 

 

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/Global-Warming-Means-Worse-Hurricanes-Scientists-493369421.html

 

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Barring a stupendous reversal in greenhouse gas emissions, the rising Atlantic will cover much of Miami by the end of this century. The economic effects will be devastating: Zillow Inc. estimates that six feet of sea-level rise would put a quarter of Miami’s homes underwater, rendering $200 billion of real estate worthless. But global warming poses a more immediate danger: The permeability that makes the aquifer so easily accessible also makes it vulnerable. “It’s very easy to contaminate our aquifer,” says Rachel Silverstein, executive director of Miami Waterkeeper, a local environmental protection group. And the consequences could be sweeping. “Drinking water supply is always an existential question.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/miami-will-be-underwater-soon-its-drinking-water-could-go-first/ar-BBMB2kP

 

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'Undeniable link to climate change' in California's fire season, expert says

Aug 8, 2018, 9:58 PM ET

Wildfires in California have broken records this year after the Mendocino Complex Fire became the largest in the state's recorded history.

The Thomas Fire from last year set records as well, burning more than 280,000 acres before it was declared completely contained in January 2018.

Experts have said that rising temperatures linked to climate change are making the fires larger, more dangerous and more expensive to fight.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/climate-change-make-wildfires-spread-factor/story?id=569377

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, although i'm a skeptic, i'm not in denial either, but i would like to know if there are studies on how to reverse the trend of global warming, how many years would it take to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy, what the impact on the economy, and after that, how many years for the planet to be clean... All that , of course, without culling 80 or 90 % of the world population.

Everything is possible, but it seems very, very hard.

 

That's beyond my area of expertise, but there was an interesting item on that issue in the Wiki page on global warming, as follows:

 

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A July 2017 study published in Environmental Research Letters asserts that the most significant action individuals could make to mitigate their own carbon footprint is to have fewer children, followed by living vehicle free, forgoing air travel and adopting a plant-based diet.^[256]

 

One of the reasons I value living in BKK, vs my former home in California, despite the many failings here, is that I can in fact live here without needing a car, not my own car, not any one else's car. I can get around and get to most everything my family needs either by walking or taking one of the public mass transit lines. I could never live my life back home that way... So at least, it's a start.  Don't have any kids either, so I guess that's helping as well.

[canuckamuck]

49 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's not a chart of any kind of world temperature readings, so I'm not sure what that data, even if accurate, has to do with the modern world and climate change.

 

And why would the last 10 years "obviously going to be the hottest"?  Actually among the hottest since readings were begun in 1980...   And presumably the answer is -- climate change and global warming due to human influence and world industrialization.

 

Really it seems pretty easy to see that it is a chart of historical temperature for the last 10000 years.

You see the years along the bottom and temperature along the right side. I took a look around the Google and other 10000 year charts have same basic pattern. My goal was to show the multiple warming trends that have come and gone. A warming trend is what you get 50% of the time. And the majority of the warmest years will be towards the later dates, but of course their will be some anomalous years. Before NASA politically corrected the temperature record, 1934 was the hottest on record. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Really it seems pretty easy to see that it is a chart of historical temperature for the last 10000 years.

 

 

It's not a chart of average global land temperatures during the period you're citing.  It appears to be a chart of glacial ice temperature readings from Greenland.

 

If that chart you posted actually means anything and has any bearing on the current global warming issues -- and there's no obvious conclusion that it does -- the world's scientific community appears unpersuaded by your pocket lint data.