Tolerance under stress as ‘loud’ mosque prayers draw complaints

[holy cow cm]

Well that is 105 years too long already 

[kannot]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he understood the complainant’s annoyance, but pointed out that other neighbours had long tolerated the amplified calls to prayer in the interest of mutually friendly co-existence.

 

“The mosque has been here for a long time, and long-time locals have never complained. They know that Muslims are being reminded of prayer times,” Sombat said. 

 

So understands but really doesnt want to, neighbours "tolerated" already says a lot, friendly co existence= total joke, the mosque  may have been there a  long  time but i bet it didnt have big ferk off speakers 100 years ago and was less densely populated and people probably didnt have to work night shifts, if your religion is so good  why do you have to remind your flock..................of brainless  sheep to come,

Religion, stupidity personified

[kannot]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

People in the area demonstrate the same tolerance whenever someone hosts a big party with loud music, he said.

he actually  has  a  good point here so in this  aspect they should be banned  too.

[cat handler]

Everyone has a mobile phone these days, and they have clocks and alarms, surely these muzzies can set their alarm to remind themselves to pray.

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

The OP clearly states the mosque is in compliance with noise pollution parameters

Which is hogwash. Noise is noise and here in Thailand noise carries. It needs not to be rated by an absurd decibel system. How a bout if you have cricket outside your room at night? Muslims need to shut their noise hole up. Quiet is the only thing sacred. 

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Which is hogwash. Noise is noise and here in Thailand noise carries. It needs not to be rated by an absurd decibel system. How a bout if you have cricket outside your room at night? Muslims need to shut their noise hole up. Quiet is the only thing sacred. 

You are contravening the Thai Constitution, do you see yourself as above your host country laws? However, logically you must include Buddhist activities, good luck with posting a similar comment online with Pantip whoever, don't think you would be staying much longer in Thailand.

Edited October 8, 2018 by simple1

[holy cow cm]

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You are contravening the Thai Constitution, do you see yourself as above your host country laws? However, logically you must include Buddhist activities, good luck with posting a similar comment online with Pantip whoever, don't think you would be staying much longer in Thailand.

Thai constitution? which one?

[cyril sneer]

anyone have the address of where to complain?

[bluesofa]

6 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Thai constitution? which one?

Pick any one from twenty.

 

[oldrunner]

Firstly. prayer calls are 5 times a day. Secondly, before electricity and speakers, a "caller" would mount the minerat and in his best voice, announce 'call to prayers' thus the call was only heard by the nearby Moslem residents. Unlike Obama, I do not tear up at the sound of 'call to prayers' even though I'm surrounded by my Muslem family.

[holy cow cm]

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You are contravening the Thai Constitution, do you see yourself as above your host country laws? However, logically you must include Buddhist activities, good luck with posting a similar comment online with Pantip whoever, don't think you would be staying much longer in Thailand.

This is where it is heading to on modern Thailand. So, does it look like the old decibel version of Thai law will stay in existence?  Noise pollution is aggravation and comes in many forms just not religious. and yes, I oppose noise pollution adamantly. 

 

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Thai constitution? which one?

We are not permitted to discuss political activities of the Royal Family / King.

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

This is where it is heading to on modern Thailand. So, does it look like the old decibel version of Thai law will stay in existence?  Noise pollution is aggravation and comes in many forms just not religious. and yes, I oppose noise pollution adamantly. 

You personally will not make one iota of difference, especially with your insulting comments towards religion in Thai society. Recommend you do some research concerning your rights in Thailand - best of luck.

[gunderhill]

21 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

anyone have the address of where to complain?

ALLAH he  ( notice male)  will answer your prayers

[gunderhill]

16 minutes ago, simple1 said:

We are not permitted to discuss political activities of the Royal Family / King.

So why did you first mention it?

[bluesofa]

1 minute ago, gunderhill said:

ALLAH he  ( notice male)  will answer your prayers

Or you could send him a he-mail.

 

[gunderhill]

1 minute ago, bluesofa said:

Or you could send him a he-mail.

 

Surely he should know everything anyway being omnipresent, I'd  better keep my  nasty religious thoughts to myself.

[holy cow cm]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You personally will not make one iota of difference, especially with your insulting comments towards religion in Thai society. Recommend you do some research concerning your rights in Thailand - best of luck.

Actually you are wrong. If it is in my face then I make a difference as had to do many of times before and now. But then again I'm not stupid enough to live next to a Muslim mosque or too close to a Thai temple that actually makes noise in the morning. Hate roosters too! Experience grows after 25 years here. I am well educated about do's and don't and fair or not, or rights being a thing entirely up to other things.  

 

I have stayed in hotels next to Muslim mosques that squeak at that ungodly hour of the morning, and it is very unacceptable and unpleasant. If it was not a daily ritual (benefits no one) and only sometimes, then no problem, but it isn't. Rights in Thailand, don't get me started. I have many friends who are Thai human rights lawyers. One of the highest profile one's in the country. So rights in Thailand for anyone is a very thin line and nothing is guaranteed..  

[Menhir]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Don't read Thai. However, 10 decibels is silence, office space should be around 60 decibels, average city street traffic noise approx 80 decibels, you cannot be correct.

 

https://www.hearnet.com/at_risk/risk_trivia.shtml

 

Can you see the link below about the environmental noise regulations in Thailand? Thank you.

 

https://soundgoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/in09_102_byinternoise2009cdrom.pdf

[simple1]

21 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

So why did you first mention it?

I referred to the Thai Constitution, the last I recall was authorised in 2017, but I understand not published. There has been a draft translation into English, don't know if one can legally link to the translation by way of a Thai domiciled forum. You can research earlier versions of the Constitution which granted full religious freedom which is reflected in TV rules - leave it at that.

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, Menhir said:

 

Can you see the link below about the environmental noise regulations in Thailand? Thank you.

 

https://soundgoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/in09_102_byinternoise2009cdrom.pdf

Where does it state 10dB is the recommended max street noise levels in cities? The OP claims mosques are now limited to no more than 80dB to which the the OP claims they now comply. Enough of the to and fro...

Edited October 8, 2018 by simple1

[Menhir]

Just now, simple1 said:

Where does it state 10dB is the requirement and recommended max street noise levels in cities? The OP claims mosques are now limited to no more than 80dB to which the the OP claims they now comply. Enough of the to and fro...

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, Menhir said:

OK, one last response. I do believe you have misunderstood. Approx 40dB is lowest level urban sound level, average 10dB is impossible in a city street environment such as BKK. Alternatively if your interpretation is correct whoever wrote the standard is a fool.

 

10dB is the sound of breathing (barely audible)...

 

http://www.industrialnoisecontrol.com/comparative-noise-examples.htm

 

Edited October 8, 2018 by simple1

[chippendale]

6 hours ago, farang62 said:

There is a Sophisticated Application for their phone that will remind them anywhere there are in the world, even points to Mecca from their current location.

But when muslims living in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe try to pray towards Mecca, they are in fact facing Israel. So their prayers bless only Israel and get blocked, can't pass through.

[Just Weird]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

“But every time the measurements are made, the mosque is found to have complied with noise standards and the volume has never exceeded 80 decibels,” Sombat said. 

Maybe someone should point out to him that 80Db is the maximum level allowed, not the required level.  They'd still be easily heard at 40Db but, unfortunately, those living 5kms away might miss the announcements.

[how241]

There is a mosque in Pattaya that also blasts out loud chanting. Need to turn down the volume there too.

[Jackin1960]

There is a very simple way to resolve this, simply apply the same rules as Saudi does and ban all other religions with the exception of your own. This might also resolve some of the problems in the south forcing trouble makers to move further south. Win win. 

[bipper]

3 hours ago, bluesofa said:

I doubt if they would ever notice, what with their never ending high-volume chatter.

 

Jakarta? Their culture! How can you complain about them not accepting our culture when they are in London or New York and you won't accept theirs in their own bloody country. Christ is that so difficult to understand????

[tonboy]

Another proof that Islam is not prepared to evolve. Most of the rules and customs were written about 600-700 years after Christ, in a book called the Koran. Apart from the fact that there are a lot of useful tips, there are also rules that might have been useful at that time, but not anymore today. The 500 years following the writing of the Qur'an were a time of enlightenment (the Islamic gold period), but after that a decay occurred and, just as in the Christian world, splits of Islam arose. Without central administration, own theories were developed and views were developed. We all know the result. The followers of Mohammed are now even killing each other and renewal is not possible. Great belief.

[IAMHERE]

This Muslim call to prayer was valid 1400 years ago, not today. Besides, if they miss a prayer so what; Allah is understanding.