Trump to deploy over 5,200 troops to Mexico border

[how241]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Not playing games? That caravan isn't due for weeks and weeks and he's going to tie up armed forces resources for this? It's nothing but a game he's playing.

Disagree !!!   It takes time to move and position troops. Also, he is trying to show signs of strength to the caravan so they won't 'test' him.  A  win-win for all. Also good to give the troops  some additional practice/training while they are inside the USA.

[Redline]

This is a joke.  They are families mostly, and there are reporters with them.  The US military can do nothing on US soil~they can't use their weapons.  This is just an overkill reaction for his base

 

The Posse Comitatus Act, which passed after the Civil War to keep federal troops from policing the South, limits federal troops’ deployment on U.S. soil and forbids using them to enforce domestic laws.

The President can deploy troops if there’s an insurrection or invasion on U.S. soil. Congress later gave the military the ability to provide equipment and personnel for certain drug enforcement operations

 

President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he hopes to send members of the military to guard the southwest border — an escalation in his push to reduce the number of immigrants coming to the U.S. But without sign off from Congress or Gov. Jerry Brown, federal law will likely block the president’s plans, at least in California

 

Legally they can apply for asylum at the border

Edited October 30, 2018 by Redline

[joecoolfrog]

If this was a legitimate exercise then why the need for the president and his lackeys to spread fake news ( actual fake news).

So far we have had claims of ' unidentified Middle Eastern men ' in the convoy , 100 Isis fighters on their way and claims that Sorus is funding the convoy.

In all seriousness , what kind of moron believes this nonsense and how desperate must Trump be to resort to such ?

[DM07]

43 minutes ago, how241 said:

Disagree !!!   It takes time to move and position troops. Also, he is trying to show signs of strength to the caravan so they won't 'test' him.  A  win-win for all. Also good to give the troops  some additional practice/training while they are inside the USA.

About that last part: remember, when the Republicans and some conspiracy -theorists wet their pants, as the troops under Obama, held training -exercises in Texas!?

This is the most obvious, expensive and idiotic training-session/ election- frauds, I have ever seen!

Simply pathetic, that anyone takes this clown and his stupidity serious!

[Srikcir]

54 minutes ago, how241 said:

send in the army to protect the border

Read Post #29

It is the Border Guard's mission to Protect the border from illegal immigrant crossings.

Can you appreciate a President who doesn't understand the role of the US military within the US?

Fortunately, the military commanders understand the Constitution and will abide by it as they respond to Trump's Presidential orders.

Edited October 30, 2018 by Srikcir
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[how241]

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

Read Post #29

It is the Border Guard's mission to Protect the border from illegal immigrant crossings.

Can you appreciate a President who doesn't understand the role of the US military within the US?

Fortunately, the military commanders understand the Constitution and will abide by it as they respond to Trump's Presidential orders.

The army is helping the overworked border guards who cannot handle such a large group coming at one time..You can be sure that some of this group are bad people who will sell drugs and start up gang activity.  The drug gangs are some of the worst gangs in the world,  many who are already operating in the USA.  The army already stated that they will only assist and give support.  Like Trump or not,  support him until you can vote again.

[pedro01]

31 minutes ago, Redline said:

This is a joke.  They are families mostly, and there are reporters with them.  The US military can do nothing on US soil~they can't use their weapons.  This is just an overkill reaction for his base

This is a lie.

 

They are mostly young, single men. If you ignore the staged pics & look at the pics of the crowd - you can see this clearly. Here's one from the BBC - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45910779

 

Pulling at heartstrings by saying it's a bunch of children is disingenuous.

 

This is an invasion force of would be welfare recipients. You cannot move the whole of South American to North America.

 

The correct solution in my opinion is for the US to invade Honduras, take over their government so that the people of Honduras can live under US Rule as they so clearly want... 

[Srikcir]

2 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

The correct solution in my opinion is for the US to invade Honduras

Or take Trump's suggestion and start assassinating heads of state?

[pedro01]

2 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Or take Trump's suggestion and start assassinating heads of state?

 

Like in Libya and Iraq?

[bristolboy]

23 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

This is a lie.

 

They are mostly young, single men. If you ignore the staged pics & look at the pics of the crowd - you can see this clearly. Here's one from the BBC - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45910779

 

Pulling at heartstrings by saying it's a bunch of children is disingenuous.

 

This is an invasion force of would be welfare recipients. You cannot move the whole of South American to North America.

 

The correct solution in my opinion is for the US to invade Honduras, take over their government so that the people of Honduras can live under US Rule as they so clearly want... 

It's amazing how ignorant some people are. Immigrants are not eligible for welfare except in very limited circumstances.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/

They go out and get jobs.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Not playing games? That caravan isn't due for weeks and weeks and he's going to tie up armed forces resources for this? It's nothing but a game he's playing.

The "caravan" will not be near for weeks, but there is a significant political event next week -Tuesday I think. This is the nearest thing to being a war leader that he can arrange in time...

[Slip]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's amazing how ignorant some people are. Immigrants are not eligible for welfare except in very limited circumstances.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/

They go out and get jobs.

Ignorant rather than mendacious?  

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Redline said:

This is a joke.  They are families mostly, and there are reporters with them.  The US military can do nothing on US soil~they can't use their weapons.  This is just an overkill reaction for his base

 

The Posse Comitatus Act, which passed after the Civil War to keep federal troops from policing the South, limits federal troops’ deployment on U.S. soil and forbids using them to enforce domestic laws.

The President can deploy troops if there’s an insurrection or invasion on U.S. soil. Congress later gave the military the ability to provide equipment and personnel for certain drug enforcement operations

 

President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he hopes to send members of the military to guard the southwest border — an escalation in his push to reduce the number of immigrants coming to the U.S. But without sign off from Congress or Gov. Jerry Brown, federal law will likely block the president’s plans, at least in California

 

Legally they can apply for asylum at the border

All the photos so far show young men eager for confrontation.

[pedro01]

24 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

All the photos so far show young men eager for confrontation.

Yup - young men, flying the Honduran flag at the front of the march.

 

Basically an unarmed invasion.

[Kelsall]

It's about time.  Thank you, President Trump!

[blazes]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

I've got some sad news for both of you. It looks like the troops being sent aren't going to have the opportunity to deploy anyi weapons:

DOD Statement on Support to DHS

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After receiving a request for assistance from the secretary of homeland security, the secretary of defense has approved providing mission-enhancing capabilities to the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Customs and Border Protection along the southwest border. This assistance is in addition to the previously authorized support to CBP's Operation Guardian Support mission.
 
The department will provide Defense Support to Civil Authorities with planning assistance, engineering support (temporary barriers, barricades, and fencing), fixed and rotary wing aviation support to move CBP personnel, medical teams to triage, treat and prepare for commercial transport of patients, command and control facilities, temporary housing for CBP personnel, and personal protective equipment for CBP personnel. U.S. Northern Command will be in the lead for the duration of the operation and is in support of Custom and Border Protection.

https://dod.defense.gov/News/News-Releases/News-Release-View/Article/1674387/dod-statement-on-support-to-dhs/

 

Why would this  be "sad news"???  This announcement that you so gleefully offer as some kind of balm to soothe my troubled soul is indeed good news.  As my previous observation about there being no "invasion" ( a word, as Chomsky once pointed out, that was never used by the government to describe what America did to Vietnam) was meant to indicate, I am happy beyond all measure to read your long list of things that the lads will be accomplishing on the southern border...no invasion of yet another country, but rather a true defence of the realm (as it were).

For ONCE, "national security" would seem to be genuinely involved, and Americans are entitled to expect their government and armed forces to take appropriate action to defend the homeland, the TRUE function of any nation's army.

[joecoolfrog]

2 hours ago, how241 said:

The army is helping the overworked border guards who cannot handle such a large group coming at one time..You can be sure that some of this group are bad people who will sell drugs and start up gang activity.  The drug gangs are some of the worst gangs in the world,  many who are already operating in the USA.  The army already stated that they will only assist and give support.  Like Trump or not,  support him until you can vote again.

The same unconditional support that Obama got , correct ?

[bristolboy]

10 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

The same unconditional support that Obama got , correct ?

That's different. He was born in Kenya so he wasn't really the President.

[bristolboy]

52 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Why would this  be "sad news"???  This announcement that you so gleefully offer as some kind of balm to soothe my troubled soul is indeed good news.  As my previous observation about there being no "invasion" ( a word, as Chomsky once pointed out, that was never used by the government to describe what America did to Vietnam) was meant to indicate, I am happy beyond all measure to read your long list of things that the lads will be accomplishing on the southern border...no invasion of yet another country, but rather a true defence of the realm (as it were).

For ONCE, "national security" would seem to be genuinely involved, and Americans are entitled to expect their government and armed forces to take appropriate action to defend the homeland, the TRUE function of any nation's army.

To defend the homeland from what? What necessary function are they performing that contractors couldn't?

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

To defend the homeland from what? What necessary function are they performing that contractors couldn't?

Why hire other people to do the job, when there's already people in place to carry out the tasks and there will be no extra expense in paying contractors salaries and training them 

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why hire other people to do the job, when there's already people in place to carry out the tasks and there will be no extra expense in paying contractors salaries and training them 

Presumably there were other plans for these people until Trump decided that it was necessary to send them to the border. It's one thing to disrupt the armed forces for a genuine emergency. This is something else entirely. And how do you know what it's going to cost to move soldiers and materiel as opposed to the cost of hiring locals?

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Presumably there were other plans for these people until Trump decided that it was necessary to send them to the border. It's one thing to disrupt the armed forces for a genuine emergency. This is something else entirely. And how do you know what it's going to cost to move soldiers and materiel as opposed to the cost of hiring locals?

You need to state facts , rather than just "presumptions" .

What else would the soldiers be doing and whats more important than protecting the borders ?

The soldiers are getting paid a salary anyway , hiring other people will be an extra expense

[AboutThaim]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Presumably there were other plans for these people until Trump decided that it was necessary to send them to the border. It's one thing to disrupt the armed forces for a genuine emergency. This is something else entirely. And how do you know what it's going to cost to move soldiers and materiel as opposed to the cost of hiring locals?

Yep! No doubt there would be 5200 locals sitting around with the skills to do the job and willing to be employed in that kind of work.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You need to state facts , rather than just "presumptions" .

What else would the soldiers be doing and whats more important than protecting the borders ?

The soldiers are getting paid a salary anyway , hiring other people will be an extra expense

You're the one who assumed that it would save money.

You're the one who assumed that they have nothing better to do.

Do you believe soldiers in the army are just doing little or nothing until they are dispatched on some alleged emergency.

And protecting from what?

Soldiers are there to deal with threats.

This caravan poses a threat to the USA?

[Tug]

This is a humanitarian crisis thease people are fleeing violence and poverty no more no less it is not an (invasion)its a cheep way for(Donald trump)to energize his base 

[janclaes47]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Do you believe soldiers in the army are just doing little or nothing until they are dispatched on some alleged emergency.

 

Of course not, they do things like assisting border security.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, janclaes47 said:

 

Of course not, they do things like assisting border security.

ON a planned basis. How do you think soldiers feels being dragged away from their families and life for something that is an obvious political ploy. You think soldiers like  being used as political pawns?

[AboutThaim]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You're the one who assumed that it would save money.

You're the one who assumed that they have nothing better to do.

Do you believe soldiers in the army are just doing little or nothing until they are dispatched on some alleged emergency.

And protecting from what?

Soldiers are there to deal with threats.

This caravan poses a threat to the USA?

And what do you think soldiers do when there is no war to occupy their time? They train for that possibility.  Being used in a support role for the border patrol is training. 

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, AboutThaim said:

And what do you think soldiers do when there is no war to occupy their time? They train for that possibility.  Being used in a support role for the border patrol is training. 

That's always the reason given by people who don't understand the military. If it's nothing else, it's training. Do they need that training. Are there other things they should be learning. What about rotations and leave. That kind of thing is important to morale. But to be sent down to the border to be subordinate to the border patrol? On an obviously political mission?

[Srikcir]

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

On an obviously political mission?

The deployment of 5,200 troops has been labeled as “Operation Faithful Patriot."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/operation-faithful-patriot-us-preparing-to-deploy-several-thousand-troops-to-southern-border/

Right before the midterm elections, pure politics.