wgdanson Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, dennis123 said: Let me quote something: Not only can a human survive but, a human can thrive and live a long healthy lifewithout eating any vegetables. Essential nutrients are those which the body cannot produce, so they must be consumed. Non-essential nutrients are those which the body is able to produce and do not need to be consumed. Liver and eggs contain all the nutrients one needs. This proves it, you are joking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted October 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, dennis123 said: First five years it only happened like once every few months so I didn't take it very serious, then this year once every few weeks, still didn't think to much of it, but now multiple times a week. Before spending a fortune on tests in hospitals I was wondering if anyone here could provide some clues. Possibly angina. But liver or GB problem, lung problem, even referred pain from a gastric ulcer are all also possible. SEE A DOCTOR. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, wgdanson said: This proves it, you are joking. No I'm not, before I started this thread I was already looking into my eating patterns as I've hardly eat any vegetables in my life, besides when I was a child and my mother forced me to eat it. Since than the absolute minimum amount as I'm not fond of vegetables so I started to search around in Google to see if people can survive without eating them and then I ran into that Google snippet that says its unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Sheryl said: Possibly angina. But liver or GB problem, lung problem, even referred pain from a gastric ulcer are all also possible. SEE A DOCTOR. I know you know a lot. Does the pain radiating to your jaw (multiple times I experienced that, before dental issues that is), and once radiating to my upper back relate to liver, GB, lung or gastric problems? I already know I can't (or am not willing to afford) if its' related to angina so that's the only thing I care about finding out, and hence the reason of starting this thread. To get more specific, I have $15,000 left. Hardly enough to solve angina / heart issues, so instead of spending a 1/4th of it on advanced tests I'd rather like to know where I stand, and based on a lot of reading online on the wide variety of tests that are available it became clear that a basic health check up isn't able to recognize heart issues, and even more advanced tests that run into the ten thousands of baht often aren't sufficient to locate the problem. Then eventually there are scans that cost approximately $1500-$3000 that can pinpoint the location of the problem, followed by a surgery of 300-600k baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, dennis123 said: Let me quote something: Not only can a human survive but, a human can thrive and live a long healthy lifewithout eating any vegetables. Essential nutrients are those which the body cannot produce, so they must be consumed. Non-essential nutrients are those which the body is able to produce and do not need to be consumed. Liver and eggs contain all the nutrients one needs. Durin the Second World War, Britain was under partial blockade by U-boats. A nutritionist was commissioned by the government to recommend a survival diet if the blockade became total. Her findings were a combination of wholemeal bread, cabbage and potato was sufficient for long term survival. Liver and eggs? Can't see much dietary fibre in that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Durin the Second World War, Britain was under partial blockade by U-boats. A nutritionist was commissioned by the government to recommend a survival diet if the blockade became total. Her findings were a combination of wholemeal bread, cabbage and potato was sufficient for long term survival. Liver and eggs? Can't see much dietary fibre in that. That's the misconception, fibers aren't necessary to survive. Liver and eggs instead are full of necessary nutrients. What did they know in 1940-1944 that they don't know now ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, dennis123 said: That's the misconception, fibers aren't necessary to survive. Liver and eggs instead are full of necessary nutrients. What did they know in 1940-1944 that they don't know now ???? I'd like to know how much Vitamin C is in liver and eggs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lacessit said: Durin the Second World War, Britain was under partial blockade by U-boats. A nutritionist was commissioned by the government to recommend a survival diet if the blockade became total. Her findings were a combination of wholemeal bread, cabbage and potato was sufficient for long term survival. Liver and eggs? Can't see much dietary fibre in that. Sorry don't want to sound smart but this is the article I just read: Fiber is non-essential. It is not even a nutrient, it can't be digested. We simply do not need fiber for any purpose. https://www.quora.com/Can-a-human-survive-without-ever-eating-vegetables 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, dennis123 said: Sorry don't want to sound smart but this is the article I just read: Fiber is non-essential. It is not even a nutrient, it can't be digested. We simply do not need fiber for any purpose. https://www.quora.com/Can-a-human-survive-without-ever-eating-vegetables One needs fiber to avoid constipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Lacessit said: One needs fiber to avoid constipation. Can't deny that indeed. My last toilet visit was hurtful despite eating two bananas a day and when I pay attention throw in a few sweet mangos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lacessit Posted October 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dennis123 said: Can't deny that indeed. My last toilet visit was hurtful despite eating two bananas a day and when I pay attention throw in a few sweet mangos. Papaya does it for me, purges me right out. Or Sai Ua, the northern Thai herbal sausage. I was told by an Australian doctor sweet corn is the best combination fibre supplement and natural laxative available. Okra seems to work as well. Edited October 31, 2018 by Lacessit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonseeker Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Amazing how GOOGLE has made a Dr. of every Laptop or Smart-Phone owner. A friend runs his own clinic in Europe and the stories he has to tell are either hilarious, or horrific....depends on your sense of humor. Dr.'s don't study for many, many years, then get experience at the job, after having had successful secondary higher education. And here we go......People diagnosing, advising, buying restricted meds over the counter and self-medicating etc. etc. WOW! MS> 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, dennis123 said: When the pain starts I wait for the pain to lessen and then light another one, which instantly increases the pain, sometimes I'm lucky. For a start, why dont you quit smoking cold turkey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravip Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, dennis123 said: Sorry don't want to sound smart but this is the article I just read: Fiber is non-essential. It is not even a nutrient, it can't be digested. We simply do not need fiber for any purpose. https://www.quora.com/Can-a-human-survive-without-ever-eating-vegetables Dietary fiber: Essential for a healthy diet >>> More 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmd8800 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 The OP really needs to get this checked out. All of the symptoms point to coronary artery disease. Take this from someone who has been down this road. A checkup will reveal the issues in short order. If necessary an angioplasty with one stent will be somewhere around 6-7000USD in a private hospital and less in a government hospital. Hospitals are open 24 hours per day. Turn off your computer and get a taxi directly to the door. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctkong Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, dennis123 said: That's the misconception, fibers aren't necessary to survive. Liver and eggs instead are full of necessary nutrients. What did they know in 1940-1944 that they don't know now ???? Without fiber, wouldn’t the resulting constipation create colon problem? Piles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxpilot Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Heart Attack Symptoms CHEST DISCOMFORT Most heart attacks involve discomfort in the center of the chest that lasts more than a few minutes, or that goes away and comes back. It can feel like uncomfortable pressure, squeezing, fullness or pain. DISCOMFORT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE UPPER BODY Symptoms can include pain or discomfort in one or both arms, the back, neck, jaw or stomach. SHORTNESS OF BREATH with or without chest discomfort. OTHER SIGNS may include breaking out in a cold sweat, nausea or lightheadedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madusa Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Cooked foods syndrome. Eat lots of raw green veggie and fruits and take high dosage of vitaminB12. Green veggie gives you enzyeme. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, dennis123 said: Actually I wouldn't mind, lets just pray heaven exists so that I get a chance to visit my friend and ex-lover that passed away much too young. I've read somewhere that if you have been backdooring you might not be invited there ???? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Oxpilot said: Heart Attack Symptoms CHEST DISCOMFORT Most heart attacks involve discomfort in the center of the chest that lasts more than a few minutes, or that goes away and comes back. It can feel like uncomfortable pressure, squeezing, fullness or pain. DISCOMFORT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE UPPER BODY Symptoms can include pain or discomfort in one or both arms, the back, neck, jaw or stomach. SHORTNESS OF BREATH with or without chest discomfort. OTHER SIGNS may include breaking out in a cold sweat, nausea or lightheadedness. Yeah I've read that part dozens of times, chest pain radiating to jaw. Immediately visit emergency, call 911, and yet six years later I'm still alive having endured those very same symptoms How so a situation where every minute counts. Edited October 31, 2018 by dennis123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wgdanson Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 10 hours ago, dennis123 said: Yeah I've read that part dozens of times, chest pain radiating to jaw. Immediately visit emergency, call 911, and yet six years later I'm still alive having endured those very same symptoms How so a situation where every minute counts. Hi Dennis, you have given a negative answer to almost every suggestion that anyone has made here, trying to help you. So please, either go to the doctor and sort yourself out, or go back to your home country, and stop this 'get nowhere' thread. Thanks. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 If all you have left is $15,000 that alone is good reason to go back home as you can't afford treatment for most of the possible causes.It is possible to have unstable angina for many years without a heart attack. But one could happen at any time.An exercise stress test (EST) which can be done for a few thousand baht will pick up ischemic heart disease about 85% of the time.Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sheryl said: If all you have left is $15,000 that alone is good reason to go back home as you can't afford treatment for most of the possible causes. It is possible to have unstable angina for many years without a heart attack. But one could happen at any time. An exercise stress test (EST) which can be done for a few thousand baht will pick up ischemic heart disease about 85% of the time. Sent from my SM-J701F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app That and an additional $2k/month average from freelance work, I will do this annual health check up and this stress test later this week to see what they come up with. I've considered going home but not in winter, and not before I got all my teeth fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lust Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sheryl said: If all you have left is $15,000 that alone is good reason to go back home I came here when I was finally able to SAVE $15,000. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, lust said: I came here when I was finally able to SAVE $15,000. Same here, little bit more like $20k and that's a good start amount if you also have a monthly income. But when serious health issues happen and you don't have an insurance then $15-20k is nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 14 hours ago, JAS21 said: I've read somewhere that if you have been backdooring you might not be invited there ???? Well, have you read the old testament? This God is <deleted> evil itself so maybe hell ain't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wgdanson Posted November 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, dennis123 said: Well, have you read the old testament? This God is <deleted> evil itself so maybe hell ain't that bad. No, I personally have not read that old story book. But if you go on like you are, you will soon be finding out whether hell is good or bad. Let us all know on ThaiVisa, thanks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Share Posted November 1, 2018 Going to the hospital now, let's hope I don't drop dead before I reach it ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dennis123 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2018 That was a quick one, have to come back in two days, something to do with a blood test that they do in the morning. 5959 baht package that includes all that was mentioned here, and a bunch of other stuff + an extra 2500 for exercise stress test (excl. doctors fee) at Bangkok Pattaya hospital. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis123 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Just came back from the hospital, everything is fine, no liver, kidney, lung, gallbladder (stones), or heart problems. Passed the exercise stress test as well, quite exhausting with my heart rate at almost 200 lol. My cholesterol is a little on the high side, above 100 is high and I scored 100 round. Blood pressure is also just a tiny bit too high but no reason for concern. Pretty much an edge case so got to start eating more healthy, fewer dairy products, exercise a bit more, and perhaps smoke a bit less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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