Register address

[Badrabbit]

No problem in the past, lived at the same address for 5 yrs now turned away because need power of attorney form to be completed by house owner, they have rental agreement, ID card house book already, for gods sake what is wrong with this country!°

What if the house owner is away how can you register address within the 24 hrs???

 

Do I also need the money stamps?

 

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[nasa123]

THIS IS IN PHUKET :

 

Address Registration (TM30) – All you need to know about it and why it matters to you

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TM.30 form or Notification form from House-Master, Owner or the Possessor
of the Residence where Alien has stayed

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What's it all about?

The TM30 and its underlying laws are about the obligation of a landlord (or house master, possessor, manager) to report the stay of any foreigner (non-Thai national) in his/her property. All foreigners staying in Thailand and their hosts should be very well aware of this.

The law with regard to the TM30 and the obligation to report a foreigner's stay have been in place for a long time, but the government has started to enforce it more strictly lately, and changed some of the procedures with regards to your 90-days reporting and extension of visa.

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IF YOU'RE RENTING, CHECK IF YOUR LANDLORD HAS REPORTED YOUR STAY

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What is the purpose of the (new) regulations?

Basically, with the TM30 form, the government aims to know exactly where each foreigner is staying all the time. Every host, no matter Thai or foreigner, has the obligation to report the stay of a foreigner within 24 hours.

If the reporting is not done within the 24 hours period immigration can fine the landlord if just one day late or when some documents are not complete.

Who should act?

Officially and practically, the responsibility to report the stay of a foreigner rests with the host: the landlord of a property, the hotel or the service apartment. Untimely reporting of a foreigner can be penalized.

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IF YOU'RE A FOREIGNER STAYING IN THAILAND LONG ENOUGH
TO GO TO IMMIGRATION FOR A VISA EXTENSION OR 90-DAY REPORTING
YOU BETTER CHECK IF YOUR LANDLORD REPORTED YOUR STAY

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However, if you are the guest or tenant, you can’t ignore TM30 either: Most of the time the registration is needed when going to the Immigration office for a service, such as the 90-day reporting and sometimes for visa extentions. It still depends on the officer in charge that you're facing, but at such moment that you may find out that your landlord did not report your stay and you will have to explain where you stayed all that time. There is also a risk that you as a tenant (or guest) may be fined instead of the landlord.
 

How to report?

As a foreigner staying in Thailand, you should prepare:

(a) a copy of your passport (photo page)
(b) a copy of the visa page in your passport
(c) a copy of the departure card

The landlord should prepare:

(a) a copy of the title deed of the property
(b) a copy of the rental contract
(c) a copy of the Landlord ID card

 

The landlord can outsource the reporting to somebody else, (the foreigner for example) a letter (Power Of Attorney) is then required to authorize this person to do the reporting (TM30) on behalf of landlord with stamps from the tax office attached on this letter.

Power Of Attorney letter to authorize another person performing the address registration

Official stamps from the tax authority office that needs to be affixed to letter from landlord giving authority to another person.

The tax stamps can be bought at the Phuket Revenue Offices

Then, your landlord or property manager or yourself should report in either of these ways:

1. Most common is to go to the Immigration Office in Phuket Town and fill out the TM30 form there. (if there isn't an immigration office in your area, you have to report to the Police Office.)

2. The landlord can also register online on https://extranet.immigration.go.th/. (but the Landlord needs to setup an online account with immigration first in able to perform the online address registration)

After registration, the landlord (or foreigner) will get a stamped return slip that the tenant (guest) should put In his passport and use it when going to Immigration for a service.

Notes:

Are the authorities that serious?

It's unlikely that you will have serious trouble when a landlord or a guesthouse/Hotel or service apartment has not reported your stay. Unlikely too that there will be any issues when you stay in Thailand for a short time and leave without having any contact with Immigration.
But the moment you show up at Immigration to deal with some paperwork, you may have to show where you stayed and then it's too late.

What to do when you discover you haven’t been reported

Inform the Landlord, guesthouse/Hotel or service apartment that you are not reported yet at immigration and ask them to do as soon as possible and ask for the reporting slip which you can put in your passport to avoid any problem for the future.

Alternatively you can do the reporting yourself as long you have the required documentation.

 

Summarized:

If you are a tenant (or guest):
Make sure to check with your landlord within the first week of your stay that he/she has reported you. If the landlord doesn’t want to go, you could consider staying at another place, or you could report yourself at Immigration on behalf of the landlord, but then you need to get his/her proxy first (With the Power Of Attorney letter).

Power of Attorney letter:

When using the Power of Attorney letter this must be stamped with a 10 Baht Tax Stamp which can be bought at your local tax office or at most book shops.

If you’re a landlord:
Report your foreign guest/tenant within 24 hours.

The 90 days reporting slip which you have possible in your passport does NOT count as an address registration.

[jackdd]

If the rental contract is in your name you don't need a power of attorney from the landlord.

A rental contract in your name makes you the possessor and you can report yourself for which you obivously don't need a power of attorney.

I would have told them to either accept it as is or insisted on a written statement from them which says that you are not considered the possessor and thus can't report yourself. In case they would ever try to fine you in the future you could present them this statement and tell them to go fine the landlord, because they stated that it's not your responsibility ????

Edited November 6, 2018 by jackdd

[Badrabbit]

If the rental contract is in your name you don't need a power of attorney from the landlord.
A rental contract in your name makes you the possessor and you can report yourself for which you obivously don't need a power of attorney.
I would have told them to either accept it as is or insisted on a written statement from them which says that you are not considered the possessor and thus can't report yourself. In case they would ever try to fine you in the future you could present them this statement and tell them to go fine the landlord, because they stated that it's not your responsibility [emoji6]

I am the renter, never had to do this before!

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[Badrabbit]

I have lived at the same address for over 5 yrs never needed a power of attorney form so why now?

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[Badrabbit]

Do you have to re register your address if you stay elsewhere in thailand, can understand you need to do if out of the country and returning.

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[Tanoshi]

Which office is this?

 

I have filed numerous TM30's myself as the tenant in the past, when moving, or returning from a trip abroad, with a copy of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card. They appear happy just to receive the TM30 as opposed to not receiving one.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

I am the renter, never had to do this before!

I assume you are living in Phuket. That has been a requirement there for about a year.

 

9 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Do you have to re register your address if you stay elsewhere in thailand, can understand you need to do if out of the country and returning.

Not needed if you are traveling within the country. Phuket wants one every time if you if you leave and re-enter the country.

[Badrabbit]

Not needed if you are traveling within the country. Phuket wants one every time if you if you leave and re-enter the country.

Yes Phuket, got the 10bht tax stamp and owner coming to fill out form.

 

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[nasa123]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I assume you are living in Phuket. That has been a requirement there for about a year.

 

Not needed if you are traveling within the country. Phuket wants one every time if you if you leave and re-enter the country.

And original Sign from the land lord not copy on every paper. 

[Badrabbit]

And original Sign from the land lord not copy on every paper. 

Do you mean landlord has to sign every copy that is needed from my passport?

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[nasa123]

14 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Do you mean landlord has to sign every copy that is needed from my passport?

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Not from your passport but rent contract, Id card ++++ most be original sign from land lord.

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[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Do you mean landlord has to sign every copy that is needed from my passport?

No

They only need to sign copies of their own documents. You only need to sign yours.

[Badrabbit]

No
They only need to sign copies of their own documents. You only need to sign yours.

Told I don't need rental contract etc as they already have it all.

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[nasa123]

19 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Do you mean landlord has to sign every copy that is needed from my passport?

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Se post #2 and print out.

[nasa123]

2 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Told I don't need rental contract etc as they already have it all.

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Where you live Phuket? Cha am? Pattaya? where?

[Badrabbit]

Where you live Phuket? Cha am? Pattaya? where?

Phuket

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[nasa123]

2 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Phuket

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Then read #2 and print out, you have every info about phuket there or here http://piv-phuket.com/address-registration-information/

[Maestro]

5 hours ago, nasa123 said:

The TM30 and its underlying laws are about the obligation of a landlord (or house master, possessor, manager) to report the stay of any foreigner (non-Thai national) in his/her property. 

 

It appears that with "landlord" you mean what is called "owner" in section 38 of the Immigration Act. Is this so?

[Maestro]

5 hours ago, jackdd said:

If the rental contract is in your name you don't need a power of attorney from the landlord.

A rental contract in your name makes you the possessor and you can report yourself for which you obivously don't need a power of attorney.

Correct. For a rented property, section 4 of the Immigration Act defines the house-master as the chief possessor of the property in his capacity of tenant.

 

The house-master mentioned in Section 38 is the house-master as defined in section 4.

 

Given that section 38 requires the house-master, ie the tenant, do submit the TM.30, there is no reason why the tenant should be asked by immigration to show evidence, by means of a power of attorney, that the owner, ie the lessor, has authorised the tenant to comply with this legal requirement. The Immigration Act gives the tenant this authority.

[Maestro]

5 hours ago, Badrabbit said:

I have lived at the same address for over 5 yrs never needed a power of attorney form so why now?

Because the immigration official with whom you are dealing is abusing his authority. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Maestro
Deleted part of the post that has already been answered.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Still the case that Bangkok Immigration doesn't require TM30s from individual renters???

[nasa123]

44 minutes ago, Maestro said:

Correct. For a rented property, section 4 of the Immigration Act defines the house-master as the chief possessor of the property in his capacity of tenant.

 

The house-master mentioned in Section 38 is the house-master as defined in section 4.

 

Given that section 38 requires the house-master, ie the tenant, do submit the TM.30, there is no reason why the tenant should be asked by immigration to show evidence, by means of a power of attorney, that the owner, ie the lessor, has authorised the tenant to comply with this legal requirement. The Immigration Act gives the tenant this authority.

Tray that in Phuket.

 

[Badrabbit]

Because the immigration official with whom you are dealing is abusing his authority. 

I didn't see the IO the volunteer told me to come back with the correct documents, never had a problem before now all of a sudden I need power of attorney form!!

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[jackdd]

2 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

I didn't see the IO the volunteer told me to come back with the correct documents, never had a problem before now all of a sudden I need power of attorney form!!

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Then you should have insisted on talking with an IO, because obviously the volunteer gave you wrong information

[Badrabbit]

Then you should have insisted on talking with an IO, because obviously the volunteer gave you wrong information

Well I assumed he knew what he was talking about, plus I was pretty stressed by a Chinese lunatic in front that I thought it was best to go!!

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[nasa123]

10 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Well I assumed he knew what he was talking about, plus I was pretty stressed by a Chinese lunatic in front that I thought it was best to go!!

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Have you read #18 ? you have all answer from Phuket Immigration there + link.

[jackdd]

35 minutes ago, nasa123 said:

Have you read #18 ? you have all answer from Phuket Immigration there + link.

Have you read this thread? OP was given wrong information from a volunteer before he got the chance to talk with in IO or hand in his correct documents

Edited November 6, 2018 by jackdd

[Badrabbit]

Have you read this thread? OP was given wrong information from a volunteer before he got the chance to talk with in IO or hand in his correct documents

I'll go back tomorrow with everything yet again, rental agreement, owner ID, owner house paper, now power of attorney form plus my copies, last time 6 months ago I reported my address after returning to Thailand with just the form, arrival card, extension copy and had no problem.

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[nasa123]

16 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

I'll go back tomorrow with everything yet again, rental agreement, owner ID, owner house paper, now power of attorney form plus my copies, last time 6 months ago I reported my address after returning to Thailand with just the form, arrival card, extension copy and had no problem.

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Good but remember to have the signature (Not copy signature) from owner on every singel paper some are about the owner original signature then every thing will be ok. I be in Phuket Town IM for 4 weeks ago and i us 2 days on this chit and i live here for 13 year now and i think this be my last year.