re GFA and CU,

 

feel like echoing what I said on another thread re this

 

In an interview during the Davos jippo last week Varadkar

opined that Ireland is prepared to put up hard border IRL/NI,

should UK opt to leave EU without a deal.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

So it is true. Somebody actually still reads the Grauniad.

Actually I read Google news. However, you realize they’re just the messenger, don’t you?

 

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I love it when the Guardian quotes two EU Law specialist. Using that word 'may' again. So 2 lawyers in the EU's pocket tell us its doomsday. You could not make it up. 

If lawyers specialized in EU law are not experts enough for you, maybe try all the business owners, CEOs, chambers of commerce, economists, politicians etc. that warn of or take action against a no-deal Brexit. Last one was the letter from 20 food retail giants right? 

 

Of course, they all must be wrong. Probably all just a big conspiracy to party-poop the Brexit party. You could not make it up. 

43 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Ah! So that's why Brexiters know so much; they don't own any books!

Comprehension problems Grouse? I mentioned

'news media' not books. 

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Actually I read Google news. However, you realize they’re just the messenger, don’t you?

 

Beware those Google algorithms. They're a bugger for confirming unconscious bias.

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Actually I read Google news. However, you realize they’re just the messenger, don’t you?

 

If lawyers specialized in EU law are not experts enough for you, maybe try all the business owners, CEOs, chambers of commerce, economists, politicians etc. that warn of or take action against a no-deal Brexit. Last one was the letter from 20 food retail giants right? 

 

Of course, they all must be wrong. Probably all just a big conspiracy to party-poop the Brexit party. You could not make it up. 

All have vested economic interests in the UK staying in the EU. They don't care what the majority voted for just CEO's and others caring about the gravy train. We will see what happens. I don't think a no deal will happen, although I would love it too. I do however believe that like many politicians and Lords who keep trying to stop Brexit have more to it, than just disagreeing. Heseltine, Adonis.

 

Regardless of all this the whole referendum has been wonderful in my eyes. It has actually brought the EU into the British public's view. People who really didn't know about the way the EU works, now do. Even if Brexit is stopped it by this shower of MP's it will surface again. Probably without a lot of them, as they will be shown the door at the next GE.

3 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Beware those Google algorithms. They're a bugger for confirming unconscious bias.

I don’t know what the Google algorithm has to do with the expert opinion of two lawyers or the laws they’re commenting on. 

32 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

I've absolutely nothing against a ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant diamagnetic metallic element which occurs in various minerals, but is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses and is used as an electrical and thermal conductor.

 

Whatevever makes you think I had?

Copper is Cu

 

CU as in customs union

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

All have vested economic interests in the UK staying in the EU.

They only have if a (no-deal) Brexit hurts the UK economy. If a (no-deal) Brexit was such a wonderful gift like Brexiteers try to make us believe they would not send letters warning against it. 

 

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

People who really didn't know about the way the EU works, now do. 

I just hope next time they know how things work before they vote for or against it. 

Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that people were mad enough to vote leave and that the only way to really deliver the mandate is through a managed no deal.  Quite what the consequences will be I dread to think.  I hate politicians, and I think this situation is crazy- but it is reality and it's the truly odd times in which we live. 

 

I wish by some miracle that Brexit gets cancelled.

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

They only have if a (no-deal) Brexit hurts the UK economy. If a (no-deal) Brexit was such a wonderful gift like Brexiteers try to make us believe they would not send letters warning against it. 

A no deal is the only solution as the EU seem at the moment not to want the UK to leave and are doing their very best not to respect the referendum result.

 

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I just hope next time they know how things work before they vote for or against it. 

Now people know about the corrupt, non accountable protectionist boys club I think you will find they will vote against in a bigger way. Despite the liberal, left wing luvvy brigade insisting everyone who voted is old and dead and people are stupid and uneducated.

19 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I don’t know what the Google algorithm has to do with the expert opinion of two lawyers or the laws they’re commenting on. 

The result is confirmation bias which can affect anyone.

fearmongers said if MAY lost the vote the pound would plummet, SHE LOST.. what happened,?? it went up, ha ha

Edited January 29, 20197 yr by mercman24

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Your comment on GFA puts you in the lead for the Twit of the Year

Why, given the rule changes to terrorism post 2001? Having been roundly beaten in round 1 I cannot see them trying it again or interested parties letting them.

20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

A no deal is the only solution as the EU seem at the moment not to want the UK to leave and are doing their very best not to respect the referendum result.

The EU isn’t not respecting the referendum result. It doesn’t have anything to do with your referendum. You own this. You voted to leave, but you now you want a deal from the EU. And literally everyone from business owners to CEOs, from economists to politicians is telling you you better get one. Should have thought about that before.  

 

20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

Now people know about the corrupt, non accountable protectionist boys club I think you will find they will vote against in a bigger way. Despite the liberal, left wing luvvy brigade insisting everyone who voted is old and dead and people are stupid and uneducated.

Don’t blame others for your fault. You voted yourself into this mess. You wanted out, now own the shit. 

 

10 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

The result is confirmation bias which can affect anyone.

You haven’t answered my question how Google impacts the expert opinion of two lawyers or they underlying laws they’re commenting on. 

37 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Copper is Cu

 

CU as in customs union

I'd never have guessed. That's book-larnin' for you!

13 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

I'd never have guessed. That's book-larnin' for you!

Then maybe you would consider providing a rational response?

Of course these guys have no idea what they are talking about and should there be any problems it could only be down to the EU, the paranoid will continue to maintain that the UK is better off being worse off without them. After all who really needs five a day.

 

Leading supermarkets, including Sainsbury’s, Asda and Waitrose, are among a host of large retailers to warn MPs that a no-deal Brexit in March will see items disappear from supermarket shelves and could put the UK’s food security at risk.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/no-deal-brexit-uk-food-security-risk-sainsburys-asda-waitrose-supermarkets-a8750466.html

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

All have vested economic interests in the UK staying in the EU. They don't care what the majority voted for just CEO's and others caring about the gravy train. We will see what happens. I don't think a no deal will happen, although I would love it too. I do however believe that like many politicians and Lords who keep trying to stop Brexit have more to it, than just disagreeing. Heseltine, Adonis.

 

Regardless of all this the whole referendum has been wonderful in my eyes. It has actually brought the EU into the British public's view. People who really didn't know about the way the EU works, now do. Even if Brexit is stopped it by this shower of MP's it will surface again. Probably without a lot of them, as they will be shown the door at the next GE.

 

This is what remainers don't seem to realise they seem to live in a bubble where they only hear what they want to hear. They're under the impression that the MP's can over rule Brexit and leavers will just forget about the whole thing and we'll all continue in the EU's mystical land of milk & honey (in this case milk being austerity & honey being mass youth unemployment). It's just not going to happen absolutely nothing has happened to make me change my mind, non of project fears forecasts have come to pass, not that I ever cared about them in the first place, the EU has shown no sign of reform and looks closer to collapse than ever. They might postpone Brexit but they'll never stop it.

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Of course these guys have no idea what they are talking about and should there be any problems it could only be down to the EU, the paranoid will continue to maintain that the UK is better off being worse off without them. After all who really needs five a day.

 

Leading supermarkets, including Sainsbury’s, Asda and Waitrose, are among a host of large retailers to warn MPs that a no-deal Brexit in March will see items disappear from supermarket shelves and could put the UK’s food security at risk.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/no-deal-brexit-uk-food-security-risk-sainsburys-asda-waitrose-supermarkets-a8750466.html

 

No problem we'll just eat the remainers though they'd probably taste salty and bitter 

4 hours ago, evadgib said:

Leaving will have no effect on the GFA. 

Quite right, the GFA is an international treaty and cannot be subject to any "effect", whereas "Leaving" is merely a concept.

As usual we have people believing the tail is wagging the dog, the reality is that the GFA is having an effect on leaving.

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Copper is Cu

 

CU as in customs union

That surprises me about as much as my antipathy towards CU will surprise you.

8 hours ago, Grouse said:

Yes, it is such a rare occurrence that I understand your surprise.

 

I tend as a European and as a UK citizen not to look at things from a purely Anglo centric viewpoint. Sorry.

The problem with being yourself is it's just another tyranny.

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

That surprises me about as much as my antipathy towards CU will surprise you.

I think TVF is of no use now. Taken over by moronic comments. Impossible to have a rational discussion. You are ignored

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Quite right, the GFA is an international treaty and cannot be subject to any "effect", whereas "Leaving" is merely a concept.

As usual we have people believing the tail is wagging the dog, the reality is that the GFA is having an effect on leaving.

My point is that staying in CU avoids problems with the Irish Border and resolves the major difficulties for large scale manufacturers. Seems impossible to have a rational discussion here now ????

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/no-deal-brexit-uk-food-security-risk-sainsburys-asda-waitrose-supermarkets-a8750466.html

Wow, that's a scary story. Perhaps the EU intend to

starve us into submission. Then again, it could be a

government inspired tale in their 'Independent' fish

and chip paper, designed to put the fear of God up us.

However, it is clear that there are too many mouths

to feed to be self sufficient in food production..

the English eat too much anyway.

1 minute ago, talahtnut said:

Wow, that's a scary story. Perhaps the EU intend to

starve us into submission. Then again, it could be a

government inspired tale in their 'Independent' fish

and chip paper, designed to put the fear of God up us.

However, it is clear that there are too many mouths

to feed to be self sufficient in food production..

the English eat too much anyway.

And let’s not talk about all those unnecessary gadgets and luxury items, warm water when cold water works as well, electricity when you can just burn a candle, or cars when walking is better for your health anyways. I’m proud that with Brexit we have the rare opportunity to get rid of all those nonsense and back to the good ol’ days when we were are proud nation. ❤️ ???????? 

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

its serves its purpose as fish/chips/vinegar wrapping

 

 

Not allowed any more under the health and safety rules. The ink may come off the paper, soak through the next layers contaminating the fish and chips and possibly giving you food poisoning.

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And let’s not talk about all those unnecessary gadgets and luxury items, warm water when cold water works as well, electricity when you can just burn a candle, or cars when walking is better for your health anyways. I’m proud that with Brexit we have the rare opportunity to get rid of all those nonsense and back to the good ol’ days when we were are proud nation. ❤️???????? 

 

Hahaha you think we only have hot water, electricity and cars because of the EU? Think you'll find we had all those things long before we joined you muppet

18 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Not allowed any more under the health and safety rules. The ink may come off the paper, soak through the next layers contaminating the fish and chips and possibly giving you food poisoning.

you probably mean news poisoning or maybe gen poisoning

10 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And let’s not talk about all those unnecessary gadgets and luxury items, warm water when cold water works as well, electricity when you can just burn a candle, or cars when walking is better for your health anyways. I’m proud that with Brexit we have the rare opportunity to get rid of all those nonsense and back to the good ol’ days when we were are proud nation. ❤️???????? 

I know that was meant to be sarcastic, but that is the

way I like things, there is no hot water here, always

cold showers, I use a bicycle, a pre-smart 15 year old

phone, use a wood burner in UK, and produce my own

grub, I use a 2nd hand computer. I'm not the ideal

consumer the EU would appreciate, but good for the

environment.