All Western all the time?

[YogiRit]

Is there a way to communicate with someone with a different view? I have questions about how Western Chiang Mai is. All the information seems to be directed at expats who want to duplicate a Western way of life, food & drink, a/c, pools, servants.

 

I've been living without such things and am put off by the image created but drawn to visit and perhaps retire. I cancelled my August paid flight and visit for this concern.

 

 

 

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[amexpat]

6 minutes ago, YogiRit said:

All the information

Keep reading.

[BritManToo]

16 minutes ago, YogiRit said:

I've been living without such things and am put off by the image created but drawn to visit and perhaps retire.

There are hundreds of villages where you can live any lifestyle you desire.

2 bed houses rent for about 4000-5000bht/month and up.

No need to ever see another white face or speak English again.

[LennyW]

Dont read Expat forums then, read the Thai ones!

[kelboy]

I've just got out of my aircon room and having bacon and eggs etc .Then I'll go for a swim in my  pool and after that play snooker in my  snooker room. I'm trying hard not to have any western luxurys but I have just given up wine. 

[fruitman]

Why you ask me? I'm sitting here with coffee, nice recliner, online radio, imported cigarettes, western clothes,  croissants with cheese.....

 

Take the local bus untill you don't see any white faces and there's your heaven.

[orang37]

28 minutes ago, YogiRit said:

I've been living without such things and am put off by the image created but drawn to visit and perhaps retire. I cancelled my August paid flight and visit for this concern.

It is true that organized mass brain-washing of new retirees in Chiang Mai is carried out, although there are several possible cults that may be responsible, with as yet unknown nefarious intentions, and methods.

 

These cults are waiting for you, hoping to catch you in that initial infatuation/vulnerability common to new arrivals. They are able to create the illusion that all Thai people have disappeared !

 

You are wise to sense the danger, and, fortunately, I ... perhaps able to have survived here un-brainwashed due to the fact I am a symbiosis of human and orangutan ... am willing to help you. Please send me a PM this week including your internet passwords, financial information, etc. For a ludicrously small fee, and very petite monthly retainer, I will be your de-programmer, your guide ... pain will be necessary, but minimal.

 

cheers, ~o:37;

[BritManToo]

35 minutes ago, kelboy said:

Then I'll go for a swim in my  pool

Plenty of natural waterfalls around Chiang Mai, I like to swim in the wild.

(Nam Tok Sai Mawk northwest of Mae Rim, google น้ำตกสายหมอก)

 

[YogiRit]

Ok, my question seem to have been bait for humour, nastiness, sarcasm and maybe a sincere post.
Not sure what to think of Chiang Mai. Still.

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[tigerbeer]

32 minutes ago, kelboy said:

I've just got out of my aircon room and having bacon and eggs etc .Then I'll go for a swim in my  pool and after that play snooker in my  snooker room. I'm trying hard not to have any western luxurys but I have just given up wine. 

 

Sounds very Thai like. Moo Khob Kai Cheo. Waynaam. and Len Sanook-er. 

[jvs]

6 minutes ago, YogiRit said:

Ok, my question seem to have been bait for humour, nastiness, sarcasm and maybe a sincere post.
Not sure what to think of Chiang Mai. Still.

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Yes you are right but with a name like yogi you are kinda asking for it on TV.The beauty of Thailand is you can pretty well do anything you want as long as you don't offend other people.

Stay legal and stay happy.you need to come here and create your own little world.I did.

[YogiRit]

For the one, hopefully sincere, response that pointed out one need not speak English or see a white face, that is not my intention.
Where I live now it is a balance. I can easily navigate my day with meditation, temples, Indian and Western culture and events.
I cannot get the same retirement Visa benefits that Thailand offers and that is why I am searching.
Trolls message me separately and I will pay the toll if you can refrain from attacking openly again.


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[YogiRit]

I hadn't thought my alias here was any more or less a red flag.
Thanks I'll look look into sanitizing it, jvs.

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[YogiRit]

Upgraded membership for lifetime fee of $14.95 to change my name.
A small price to pay to keep the Trolls away.

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[Genmai]

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Western food/drink, a/c, pool, servants ...

Those are low-tier luxuries that a certain class of people indulge in everywhere across the world, regardless of country, culture or availability of Western products. (By "servants" you mean "waiters", yeah? Cos nobody has servants anymore since the 1900's in the traditional full-time sense - unless it's a live-in maid). I can understand that being a guru and teaching gullible yuppies how to stare at their navel all day may not pay enough to indulge in such heinous bourgeois decadences like having a steak & beer in an aircon room after a morning pool session. Does that upset you? You should consider living in a tyrannical communist state where everyone is nice and equal. I guarantee you every Thai person would indulge in that "Western" lifestyle if they could afford it, and many of them do.

 

[YogiRit]

Okay, I give up. If the responses I'm getting here are representative Chiang Mai is not for me.
Thanks for the assistance. After repeated negative responses I am taking that as my guidance. Negative.


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[Genmai]

1 hour ago, orang37 said:

It is true that organized mass brain-washing of new retirees in Chiang Mai is carried out, although there are several possible cults that may be responsible, with as yet unknown nefarious intentions, and methods.

 

These cults are waiting for you, hoping to catch you in that initial infatuation/vulnerability common to new arrivals. They are able to create the illusion that all Thai people have disappeared !

 

You are wise to sense the danger, and, fortunately, I ... perhaps able to have survived here un-brainwashed due to the fact I am a symbiosis of human and orangutan ... am willing to help you. Please send me a PM this week including your internet passwords, financial information, etc. For a ludicrously small fee, and very petite monthly retainer, I will be your de-programmer, your guide ... pain will be necessary, but minimal.

 

cheers, ~o:37;

Do you do couples? I need to get my wife in on this.

[worgeordie]

1 hour ago, YogiRit said:

All the information seems to be directed at expats who want to duplicate a Western way of life, food & drink, a/c, pools, servants

Pools and servants, yes we all have them here !, 

You can live which ever way you want here,with pools and servants,

or up in the hills living in a shack,it's what YOU choose to do,but you

seem happy where ever you are,so just stop there.

regards Worgeordie

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, Genmai said:

You should consider living in a tyrannical communist state where everyone is nice and equal.

I came from a tyrannical gynocracy where only white males weren't equal.

[Genmai]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I came from a tyrannical gynocracy where only white males weren't equal.

Tragically it seems that if one is looking for the Western way of life with traditionally Western values they now should go anywhere but the West.

[Enoon]

28 minutes ago, YogiRit said:

For the one, hopefully sincere, response that pointed out one need not speak English or see a white face, that is not my intention.
Where I live now it is a balance. I can easily navigate my day with meditation, temples, Indian and Western culture and events.
I cannot get the same retirement Visa benefits that Thailand offers and that is why I am searching.
Trolls message me separately and I will pay the toll if you can refrain from attacking openly again.


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You can arrange whatever degree of "sophistication" and/or "contact" you prefer.

 

Treat Chiang Mai as a starting point rather than as a destination.

 

Language may be more of an issue (English more widely spoken in India?) if you're looking for a "genuine" upcountry lifestyle.

 

Might be better to re-start in the Buddhist forum, given that there may be members there who have already duplicated your current lifestyle?

 

 

 

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Yes you are right but with a name like yogi you are kinda asking for it on TV.The beauty of Thailand is you can pretty well do anything you want as long as you don't offend other people.

Stay legal and stay happy.you need to come here and create your own little world.I did.

 

Oi, do you mind! 

[Thailand]

It's what you make it, pretty simple.

[pgrahmm]

Let me understand....You cancelled a paid for flight because you "thought" CM was "too westernized".....

You plan on possibly living here but can't come here to take a look and get a feel for where you "might" live?

Then you ask on an expat forum for an opposite view from what you "think" is happening.....

I'm guessing that meditative lifestyle isn't working to well for you....

It might be good for you to jump on a plane & investigate for yourself....

CM offers many things for many people....From the meditative, to the never grow ups, to the grown up responsible types....

It's a pretty easy place to get a feel of, but if you don't explore you'll never know....

I came here and looked 3 extended times before I decided to live here....All for good reasons & reaffirmation of what I had experienced.....

I manage without a pool (nearby & convenient, but have never been in), don't have a maid, don't do the bar thing, and don't go around looking for farang company or opinions (don't miss it).....

Do have a nice house, wife, & family....But, that's my life......

There's a lot to get involved with here as much as you want - or uninvolved with.....And nobody's going to pressure you either way.....

But, you'll never figure that out if you don't get here and look for yourself....I rented a car & explored when I first came here & suggest you do the same....Baht buses, tuktuks, scooters don't do it for me....

You don't need one western trapping to be happy here.....I'm sure there will be some you appreciate, (international restaurants/dining, medical facilities, etc)....

I can be in CM with everything that it has to offer in 30 minutes.....But, right now I'm listening to birds singing - and nothing else, no traffic, no noise.....It's peaceful....

 

But, I would suggest A.C.....

 

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

There are hundreds of villages where you can live any lifestyle you desire.

2 bed houses rent for about 4000-5000bht/month and up.

No need to ever see another white face or speak English again.

Then get bored after a few months , get a computer and moan all day long on Thai Visa about your neighbors 

[lordblackader]

2 hours ago, YogiRit said:

For the one, hopefully sincere, response that pointed out one need not speak English or see a white face, that is not my intention.
Where I live now it is a balance. I can easily navigate my day with meditation, temples, Indian and Western culture and events.
I cannot get the same retirement Visa benefits that Thailand offers and that is why I am searching.
Trolls message me separately and I will pay the toll if you can refrain from attacking openly again.


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So what are you trying to get at?

 

You can have both in Chiang Mai - 10-15 minutes out of town in the right direction and you won't see a white face but you'll still easy access to western mod cons if that's what you mean by a "balance."

 

I live ~20 kms out of the center of town, no farangs where I live but I'm still only a 10 minute drive away to western food, 2o minute drive from world class shopping. 

[sanemax]

3 hours ago, YogiRit said:

All the information seems to be directed at expats who want to duplicate a Western way of life, food & drink, a/c, pools, servants.

Although it is nice to live an alternative lifestyle in the West , living like a person from another Country .

   Its different living in a foreign country , nearly all Thai food contains either  rice or noodles and that gets repetitive eating three times a day , so, Western food is sometimes required .

   It can get extremely hot here , so, sometimes a/c is a necessity and its nice to take a dip in a swimming pool .

   Not sure why you mention servants , as I've not seen that mentioned before .

   You are making the mistake of differentiating between Thais and Westerners , many Thais also like western food , a/c, swimming pools etc.

   You are looking for a primitive lifestyle , many Thais have that lifestyle and they want a developed life 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, YogiRit said:

Okay, I give up. If the responses I'm getting here are representative Chiang Mai is not for me.
Thanks for the assistance. After repeated negative responses I am taking that as my guidance. Negative.


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I live in a small village in rural Khampaeng Phet. I am the only full time white face around here and the next nearest westerner to me is 5 km away. Nice guy from Belgium but speaks Thai and Flemish/Walloon but virtually no English. The next nearest to me are 20 km away and there are a few others sprinkled around.

 

If I want western food, apart from 7/11 the nearest BigC/Tops/Makro is 65 km away. If they don't have what I want I make my own western style with what I can get.

 

There is a loose group of us who meet every couple of weeks for a beer or two, something to eat and we set Thailand on its right course. Then the next meet we set Thailand on its right course once again.

 

If you are comfortable with your own and/or family company this is a good way to live and not that expensive. OTOH if you crave westerners around, western food etc you need to be in somewhere like CM or CR or the other bigger cities.

 

lordblackadders post #26 seems a good compromise for you.

 

I hope that you get lucky in your search.

 

Just read the thread and ignore the more foolish posts as there are quite few posters on TVF are are or try to be helpful

[orang37]

3 hours ago, Genmai said:

Do you do couples? I need to get my wife in on this.

If your wife is from another primate species, it may be possible. We do have a special for ménage à trois.

 

~o:37;

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Although it is nice to live an alternative lifestyle in the West , living like a person from another Country .

   Its different living in a foreign country , nearly all Thai food contains either  rice or noodles and that gets repetitive eating three times a day , so, Western food is sometimes required .

I see a western lifestyle as putting money before all else and obsessing over health care.

Not much to do with what you eat .... in the UK I usually ate, Mexican, Chinese, Indian and a few Doner Kebabs for a change (so nearly always something with rice).