Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[melvinmelvin]

can't say I see much point in having TM as PM anymore

 

[Nigel Garvie]

14 minutes ago, Basil B said:

 

Not a chance in hell, thank God.

 

I think TM should beat him to it, by calling a vote of confidence, the reality is very few Tories if any would not vote for TM, it is not just her but the Government, and the DUP have already said they will support her the Government in any confidence vote, do not think any other party will vote with Labour, predict they would abstain. 

Other parties SNP Libs etc have apparently already said they would vote with the LP, although I don't think it will be enough. I predict a close vote, but with the same result as you suggest. Whatever side you are on, surely the last thing we need now is a GE with another hung parliament highly probable.

[bomber]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

can't say I see much point in having TM as PM anymore

 

JC is coming,ive said it for 2 years and will keep saying it,if not in a few months then the next GE

[Basil B]

14 minutes ago, bomber said:

he's coming sooner or later

The DUP's Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson says his party will support the prime minister in tomorrow's no confidence vote.

He tells BBC News the DUP wants to see a "change of policy" rather than a change of government and the EU must offer a deal that addresses the concerns of MPs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/46874049

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, Basil B said:

He tells BBC News (...) the EU must offer a deal that addresses the concerns of MPs.

ROFL 

[melvinmelvin]

2 minutes ago, Basil B said:

The DUP's Brexit spokesman Sammy Wilson says his party will support the prime minister in tomorrow's no confidence vote.

He tells BBC News the DUP wants to see a "change of policy" rather than a change of government and the EU must offer a deal that addresses the concerns of MPs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/46874049

can sort of understand that kind of dreamy views,

but they way there does not go via TM me thinks, she is waste, clout is lost,

really think that EU doesn't want to deal with her anymore

 

she has become a stumbling block, not a facilitator anymore

[bomber]

1 minute ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

ROFL 

???? yes ???? all these MPs wanting the PM to deliver 100 different versions of brexit,bub Labours version will be better ????

[melvinmelvin]

17 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Other parties SNP Libs etc have apparently already said they would vote with the LP, although I don't think it will be enough. I predict a close vote, but with the same result as you suggest. Whatever side you are on, surely the last thing we need now is a GE with another hung parliament highly probable.

you may not need a GE with hung parliament

but you are in dire need of a new PM

[bomber]

8 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

can sort of understand that kind of dreamy views,

but they way there does not go via TM me thinks, she is waste, clout is lost,

really think that EU doesn't want to deal with her anymore

 

she has become a stumbling block, not a facilitator anymore

she got nowhere as a remainer,moggers or bonker or JC would get even less,its now no deal or remain

[melvinmelvin]

3 minutes ago, bomber said:

she got nowhere as a remainer,moggers or bonker or JC would get even less,its now no deal or remain

ok, let us say you are right in that,

 

if the end of the Odyssey should be no deal, 

it will still take long long long time to disentangle UK from EU,

many smaller deals need to be made

 

would you like TM spearheading that?

 

[Scott]

A few off-topic posts have been removed.   Please stay on topic.   It would be a shame to give suspensions for needless deflections.  

 

Thanks.  

[melvinmelvin]

this vote is also quite a slap in the face of EU

 

the phrase som naam naa comes to mind

 

must say,

that when I started to follow this Brexit process, since before the referendum, I did not

really think anything like this would be the end result

 

[AlexRich]

32 minutes ago, bomber said:

JC is coming,ive said it for 2 years and will keep saying it,if not in a few months then the next GE

 

Possibly over Diane Abbot as we speak ... but he'll lose the vote tomorrow.

 

[AlexRich]

13 minutes ago, bomber said:

she got nowhere as a remainer,moggers or bonker or JC would get even less,its now no deal or remain

I think the market reaction with GBP strengthening against the Euro suggests a softer Brexit or a second referendum and possibly no Brexit at all ... something that Tusk hinted at with his cryptic tweet. I'll settle for either ... but our fellow TVF brethren will be choking on their Chang!

[melvinmelvin]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Possibly over Diane Abbot as we speak ... but he'll lose the vote tomorrow.

 

possibly, it has been suggested by others here that his defeat will be narrow,

that will also contribute to PMs reduced image/clout,

exactly what the UK does not need

 

 

 

[GinBoy2]

Is it actually true?

 

Reason I ask is that i was just reading news article that suggested if Brits voted again it would be almost exactly the same result

 

[Basil B]

43 minutes ago, bomber said:

JC is coming,ive said it for 2 years and will keep saying it,if not in a few months then the next GE

and probably be saying it for the next 20...

 

If there was going to be a General Election in the next few weeks the result will probably be a hung parliament, I doubt any of the smaller parties would trust him.

[GinBoy2]

You guys might also like to ponder this.

 

I'm a Californian, the epicenter of popular referendums, we vote on frikken everything, for Gods Sake we even had to vote a condom requirement for male porn stars!

 

Thing is, they are usually hugely complex questions, but anything really really important requires a supermajority, ie 66% to pass

 

You might like to have thought about a bit more before actually you did it

Edited January 15, 2019 by GinBoy2

[Basil B]

13 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

possibly, it has been suggested by others here that his defeat will be narrow,

Reality sinking in?

[melvinmelvin]

 

several have predicted that tomorrow's non conf will be defeated by a small margin

fair enough

 

but is it really in the interest of the Tory party to continue with TM as PM?

would they gain from that?

or would it hamper their longterm interests?

 

(I do not quite understand DUP's reasoning for supporting the PM,

 can understand that they want improved deal, but they way there does not go via May me thinks)

 

[Basil B]

I suspect TM is going to resign in the next few days but not before revealing plan "B", I suspect she is aware that quite a few MP's are now conspiring with Burcow on putting the breaks on Brexit, reality is the end of the track are in sight and we do not do something we will crash out with no deal and total confusion.

,

Needing all the other 27 countries to agree to an extension of article 50, just not going to happen, the only option is withdraw article 50, and for Parliament to think again, confirm with the EU it is acceptable and put it to the people,  that's going to take years if anyone has the stomach for it.   

[Basil B]

17 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

(I do not quite understand DUP's reasoning for supporting the PM,

 can understand that they want improved deal, but they way there does not go via May me thinks)

 

They made a deal to prop up the Tories, no one is keen for an election except JC, who want to be out delivering leaflets and door stepping in mid winter?  

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, bomber said:

???? yes ???? all these MPs wanting the PM to deliver 100 different versions of brexit,bub Labours version will be better ????

Yes of course Labour's version is not likely to be better. However I appreciate that the LP does not want the economic disaster of leaving the customs union, and quite correctly wants to protect workers rights. The rights which the leading Tory Brexiteers are so keen to dismantle, so they can exploit British workers without restraint (Strange how many of these workers voted for their own exploitation).

 

However wouldn't it just be simpler to remain, it is not such a big step. To achieve this we may have to hang Corbyn up by the conjones till he vomits up his Europhobia. Not a pleasant image I admit, but I've had it with the Messiah. He was on TV the other day and came across as being rather pleased with himself - smug even. The curse of the barely adequate, being unaware of your own - in his case very significant - limitations.

[keemapoot]

6 hours ago, harriott456 said:

no, the vote was to leave, end of story! you don't change the rules after the fact, if it had been a remain vote those same people wouldn't even entertain a 2nd referendum.
Mat n co have dragged their heels because they didn't want to do it in the 1st place and because of that are looking weak as p**s and never going to get a good deal on that basis.

I suppose it's all academic now anyway as the UK is careening toward a hard as rocks crash and burn exit after yesterday's vote. I don't see an extension to article 50 happening, a no confidence vote even if survived does not solve anything, a general election does not solve anything in time, it takes longer than March 29. EU is not in the mood to grant concessions and they are in a position of strength.

 

Up the creek without a paddle.

[Spidey]

58 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

I suppose it's all academic now anyway as the UK is careening toward a hard as rocks crash and burn exit after yesterday's vote. I don't see an extension to article 50 happening, a no confidence vote even if survived does not solve anything, a general election does not solve anything in time, it takes longer than March 29. EU is not in the mood to grant concessions and they are in a position of strength.

 

Up the creek without a paddle.

They can always unilaterally rescind Article 50. Best for everyone.

[Spidey]

Post parliamentary vote, Donald Tusk, chairman of the EU negotiating team, has announced "The only positive way forward for Britain now is to remain in the EU". Wiser words than any English politician has the guts to say.

 

A clear indication that Brussels would be happy for the UK to withdraw Article 50.

 

A generous offer like that would be rude to refuse.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

They can always unilaterally rescind Article 50. Best for everyone.

Yeah, I mean who really cares about Democracy anyway. How many Baht you get to the Pound is way more important than Democratic principles.

[rixalex]

They can always unilaterally rescind Article 50. Best for everyone.

Not best for everyone. Best for a remainer looking to continue holding up, delaying, putting off and obstructing enacting the outcome of the 2016 vote.

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[Spidey]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah, I mean who really cares about Democracy anyway. How many Baht you get to the Pound is way more important than Democratic principles.

British democracy doesn't require a referendum for parliament to enact a decision.

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Not best for everyone. Best for a remainer looking to continue holding up, delaying, putting off and obstructing enacting the outcome of the 2016 vote.

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2016 vote - nice idea but, as we've seen completely counter productive in practice. Some people need saving from themselves. That's why we have a democratically elected government.