Not so fast: Bangkok Christian College asked to review casual clothes experiment

[BobBKK]

51 minutes ago, Torrens54 said:

SANITY and DECORUM HAS PREVAILED !

Congratulations to Opec on this very sensible stance.

 

We don’t Need to degenerate to a system (if it can be called a “system”) such as exists in the U.S., where kids can apparently turn-up in a 

Loin Cloth if they should so desire.

 

My daughter and her friends who just graduated from one of Chiang Mai’s leading Schools have all benefited greatly from wearing their Uniform with Pride and a Respect. They now do the same with their Uniforms at CMU.

 

Far better than the Rabble Behaviour exhibited by kids who attend alleged, “Learning Institutions” in less civilized countries.

 

As for those who bemoan the cost of buying Uniforms, the costs are very reasonable and a STANDARD PRICE...as a result, there is NO IDIOTIC 

“One Upmanship,” where wealthier kids are able to buy the LATEST EXPENSIVE FASHION Outfits, whilst their poorer classmates have to make-do with something from the Big-C Bargain Table.

 

STICK WITH IT OPEC.... Don’t allow the next generations of Thai School Kids to degenerate into an unruly, disrespectful ‘gun toting’ rabble...

”As seen on TV.”  

Pathetic!  let's stamp out all individualization eh?  yes even at UNI they wear those pathetic uniforms with numbers around their necks so they know who they are.  Call that University?  your standards are low.

[Krataiboy]

In the lean post-war years, my parents could not afford to buy me the blue blazer worn by most of the children at the secondary modern school I attended after failing the dreaded 11-plus. 

 

I felt a bit of an outsider, as the blazer, with the words "Enter That Ye May Benefit" embossed in gold on the breast pocket in Latin (a language not, of course, on our lowly curriculum), was worn with considerable pride. 

 

It symbolised, as I was soon to discover, a quite remarkable empathy between hundreds of children who had been written off by educational bureaucrats as factory fodder and a teaching staff committed to proving them wrong.

 

What we were assumed to lack in brains we more made up with brawn, wiping the floor with most of the grammar and secondary modern schools with whom we competed at games like football and cricket and athletics. But the school's achievements were reflected far beyond the sports field and running track.

 

Despite the drawbacks of a severely limited curriculum and relatively poor facilities, the strong bond between students and staff helped propel many of my former classmates into careers which had appeared to be beyond their grasp. Some became successful entrepreneurs, while others achieved considerable distinction in public service.

 

I owed a lifetime in journalism to the school's colourful and charismatic English teacher, who coached me in her free time become the first secondary school student in the county to gain GCE 'O' Levels as an external candidate.

 

Sadly, the old school was declared redundant and reduced to rubble decades ago. But the happy memories still linger - along with a tinge of regret that I never got to wear that smart blue school blazer.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Krataiboy

[Moo 2]

In the militaries everyone wears a uniform, INCLUDING GENERALS, so if the Opec wants students to wear

uniforms, first, they should be free, second, the Opec Armada and Teachers  should wear uniforms also,

that's what "uniform" means!

Anyone who thinks that uniforms are cheap would have to be naïve or ignorant or both.

[Moo 2]

Just now, Moo 2 said:

In the militaries everyone wears a uniform, INCLUDING GENERALS, so if the Opec wants students to wear

uniforms, first, they should be free, second, the Opec Armada and Teachers  should wear uniforms also,

that's what "uniform" means!

Anyone who thinks that uniforms are cheap would have to be naïve or ignorant or both.

Quote: I drink to make people more interesting.      Ernest Hemingway

[Hanuman2547]

Both of my luk krung boys attended this school for three years back in the late 90's early 00's.   So here is someone posting that knows a little bit about the school.

1)  It's not cheap.  It's an expensive private school and is competitive to get in the school.  Having said that, if you can afford the school fees you can easily afford casual clothes for the "no uniform day".  A number of kids that were friends of my boys at the school received 400-500 baht a day in allowance money.  (my kids certainly did not!)  

 

2)  My kids liked wearing the uniform at BCC and also their previous school.  Easy to know what you're wearing for school everyday.  It's a little bit of a status thing as everyone knows what school you go to by the logo on the uniform.

 

3)  When they went back to the USA they were in the 10th and 8th grades.  One thing they didn't like was all the one-upmanship by both girls and boys over the clothes, shoes, etc. that other kids were wearing.  They even liked the idea of having uniforms in the USA but we all know that would never fly.

[Torrens54]

On 1/10/2019 at 12:54 PM, BobBKK said:

Pathetic!  let's stamp out all individualization eh?  yes even at UNI they wear those pathetic uniforms with numbers around their necks so they know who they are.  Call that University?  your standards are low.

No, not a matter of stamping out individualism, simply a matter of Good Taste, self respect, respect for others and their school.

 

At our school, the Teachers also PROUDLY wear their uniforms. 

Tend to suspect those who are so upset with the tradition, simply amount to the lowest common denominator of our society. Ah well, each to their own.

[Bluespunk]

On 1/10/2019 at 12:10 AM, webfact said:

Teerakiat quoted a speech by King Rama VI, who had said that the purpose of a student uniform was to impose discipline and narrow social gaps.

If you want to narrow social gaps, a laudable enterprise, then set up a fund to put children from disadvantaged backgrounds through the private school system. 

[DrTuner]

Much as I hate uniforms, the alternative is a pissing contest with hi-so's wearing prada to school. 

[BobBKK]

Just now, DrTuner said:

Much as I hate uniforms, the alternative is a pissing contest with hi-so's wearing prada to school. 

Hi-So's don't go anywhere near those schools dude.  Most Hi-So Thais are in Europe or USA Unis.

[BobBKK]

21 hours ago, Torrens54 said:

No, not a matter of stamping out individualism, simply a matter of Good Taste, self respect, respect for others and their school.

 

At our school, the Teachers also PROUDLY wear their uniforms. 

Tend to suspect those who are so upset with the tradition, simply amount to the lowest common denominator of our society. Ah well, each to their own.

That is part of the problem. Teachers 'proudly' wearing their mock military uniforms with their medals and ranks. It's all part of the control mechanism that belongs to North Korea not here.

[tifino]

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

That is part of the problem. Teachers 'proudly' wearing their mock military uniforms with their medals and ranks. It's all part of the control mechanism that belongs to North Korea not here.

uniformed teachers... looking down at their flocks...

 

"you are all equal - but, we are more equal than you..."

 

 

and awarding themselves that 'tin medal' 

 - what! are they going to war in the classrooms?

Tin, and society based medal wearing protocol has that that rubbish is worn on the Right tit;

leaving the Left free and uncluttered for Federal award...

 

[ericnoodeeka]

well, where do I start, first of all , I think wearing a uniform has nothing to do with anybody's brain power or ability . I grew up in Belgium where we did not wear uniforms, and yes, you do get the pissing contests between the rich and the poor, which I was one off, comparing clothes and belittling [ now called bullying] students who turned up in old clothes with holes in them. after moving to England, and having my first daughter, she wore a uniform all her school years. it did not make her brain dead or a sheep, she is now a nurse in a&e in Doncaster hospital. my second daughter now, is in a thai school in a uniform too, again she is not brain dead, she speaks , reads and writes 3 languages at the age of 8. she also is not a sheep. my wife who works for the government and also wears a uniform, I can guarantee you, she is not a sheep. so does wearing a uniform makes children less intellectual or individual, I don't think so. both my kids have been to 20 plus countries on holiday, that to me is the best education you can give a child, go see the world. a uniform does not come in to it. but that's only my experience.

[tingtong]

On 1/10/2019 at 8:00 AM, ChipButty said:

I always thought uniforms were a great leveler there will obviously be young guys in school who cannot afford all these designer trainers and clothes 

 

would probably be a case IF it wouldnt involve private school, most of them coming pricey to the not-so-high-class parents anyhow.

 

the same time, the poorer parents may find it a stretch to buy the 3-4-5 kind of uniforms some of the schools currently require, and with kids growing that often a yearly expense on top of the normal everyday non school cloths.

 

i think these uniforms in private schools are more to keep up with the brain washing, limit individualism, and of course support those higher ups who branch out to this constant demand clothing business the uniforms rule create for them. 

[madmitch]

Most Asian countries seem to have school uniforms from waht I've encountered but most of the countries have made an efort to modernise the uniforms over the years. The Thai uniform probably hasn't chaged since the 1950s (please correct me if I'm wrong, this is pure guesswork) and as for the scout uniform? I don't think it's been changed in Thailand since Baden Powell created it.

[wgdanson]

I wonder how many of the pupils are Christian, or even know the name Jesus Christ at this school.

[Hanuman2547]

1 minute ago, wgdanson said:

I wonder how many of the pupils are Christian, or even know the name Jesus Christ at this school.

Back in 1998 to 2001 it was roughly 10%.  Most were Buddhist.  There were even a few Muslims at the school.

[wgdanson]

1 minute ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Back in 1998 to 2001 it was roughly 10%.  Most were Buddhist.  There were even a few Muslims at the school.

And now?

[Hanuman2547]

5 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

And now?

No idea.  My kids left the school in 2001 to attend high school in the USA.

[billd766]

On 1/10/2019 at 6:00 AM, Prairieboy said:

I believe school uniforms are not free.  In my opinion forcing parents to buy uniforms in addition to the child's everyday clothing has much more of a negative impact on the families expenses!  It may have been a marketing ploy lobbied for by greedy uniform manufacturers.  By enforcing a uniform code they i are immediately guaranteed a 'captive' clientele of approximately 15 million students

 

Additionally, it removes a persons right, and indeed, their ability to have independent thoughts and choices and results in a nation of sheep or clones.  

It not only that the uniforms are not free but also the number of different uniform that they need.

 

My son in M2 needs white shirt, khaki shorts, brown ankle socks and brown canvas shoes 2 or 3 days a week, blue shirt, blue track suit bottom, white ankle socks and white canvas shoes 2 or 3 times a week. Scout uniform, neckerchief, long khaki socks and brown canvas shoes for only a part of the year.

 

I am not sure if the variation of school uniform during the week is down to him or the school.

 

Plus of course the shirts have to have the school logo, his name embroidered on the shirt, and a number of orange or red stars or blobs denoting the year number as well.

[Prairieboy]

On 1/10/2019 at 10:56 AM, ChipButty said:

I think Uniforms for school look smart and tidy having being born in 50's and born in the army Im used to wearing uniforms my favourite at the moment is a nurses one

The Japanese tourists in Bangkok seem to prefer 'school' uniforms.

[pedro01]

On 1/10/2019 at 8:00 AM, ChipButty said:

I always thought uniforms were a great leveler there will obviously be young guys in school who cannot afford all these designer trainers and clothes 

 

not in this school!

[wreckingcountry]

Can’t have a school trying something ! It’s all about image! “Office for Private Education Commission “ !thai bureaucracy has a Gov dept for everything ! And those of us who have taught here a long time know that dressing up in a formal way is more important than learning!

 

 

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[RawboneFunksta]

There is little solid evidence either way to suggest clothes have an impact on learning although in several cases where failing schools forced their students to wear a blazer and tie, results went up quite markedly