Teachers-to-be can graduate with poor English, Thai panel decides

[marcusarelus]

37 minutes ago, fruitman said:

It's not only about being able to speak english, Thai should also learn how to treat a customer with respect. No matter how rich they are themselves or how small the order is, just make sure the customer is happy and comes back next time....Don't waste his time, work efficient, don't play with the phone in the meantime or talk to collegues...Don't ask stupid questions or anything else....and sure don't dig your nose in front of a customer.....and not at all if you work in a bar/restaurant...(i 've seen it all).

 

In Singapore they do it all perfect, everywhere...nobody is annoying me there by standing in my way or pushing or following customers nonstop.....

 

Oh well, thai refusing to learn something...what else is new.

 

But even Icon Siam is far far away from the standards they have in Singapore...and the Thai will never ever reach that level...

 

You weren't in Singapore 50 years ago before the totalitarian dictatorship took power?  You have many cultural traditions that make me want to throw up.  Nose picking is minor in comparison.  I think you might want to look at yourself and take a more realistic and understanding view of the world

[Scott]

Inflammatory troll posts reported and removed.   Continued making anti-government, anti-Thai remarks will earn a suspension.  

 

[lemonjelly]

Better an excellent mathematics teacher who has minimal English than a mediocre mathematics teacher who can speak English 

[arithai12]

15 hours ago, Chippy151 said:

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I'm not sure what they learn here in education courses, but it isn't English.

They learn that no one can fail.

[arithai12]

12 minutes ago, lemonjelly said:

Better an excellent mathematics teacher who has minimal English than a mediocre mathematics teacher who can speak English 

Unfortunately both kinds are very rare.

[DavisH]

15 hours ago, Chippy151 said:

When my wife was doing her English  test to become a teacher, almoat all of her classmates copied the 2 or 3 who knew some English.

The proctor or lecturer allowed this cos otherwise almost everyone would have failed the test.

I'm not sure what they learn here in education courses, but it isn't English.

They just learn tricks to answer multiple guess tests. That's about it. Anything to get into uni to get "that piece of paper". It's like whitening lotion - only good for the face. 

[reenatinnakor]

Because of a lot of similarities in Thai and Chinese words and the tonal system of both languages it's probably easier for Thais to learn and be fluent in mandarin... And also more profitable in the future. They don't need to speak amazing English to be able to communicate and understand someone.

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[HalfLight]

1 hour ago, fruitman said:

I agree i do the same since a few years...before i would never look down or treat anybody bad buy thailand makes me do it as well....i even look who's behind me now when i open a door and just let it fall right in their face....(like they always do to me).

 

But it's also staff running around in shops and not waiting for me to pass first when we enter a corner at the same time...i don't stop anymore and i'm double their size and weight...It's fun for me now and i would have never thought of becoming so rude....

 

Well, at least I'm not the only bad guy on the block. Nice to make your acquaintance I'm sure. Life is good if you don't weaken.

 

 

 

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, arithai12 said:

Unfortunately both kinds are very rare.

https://www.thaiimo.com/

 

[fruitman]

2 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

You weren't in Singapore 50 years ago before the totalitarian dictatorship took power?  You have many cultural traditions that make me want to throw up.  Nose picking is minor in comparison.  I think you might want to look at yourself and take a more realistic and understanding view of the world

I don't even know what happened 50 years ago in singapore but whatever it was it was all good for their country since they developed into a very nice country where i feel welcome and respected. And i'm sure they treat me that way because i'm human and that's all i expect.

 

If i ever want to do business in Asia then Singapore would be the place to setup. They speak good english, don't scam around, don't annoy me, know how to entertain me, are efficient and fast and just let me do my thing.

 

Thailand asks for quality tourists but at the same time treats them like unwanted criminals without any standards. Well now they get chinese and indians, you reap what you sow.

[SheungWan]

9 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

Goodness-the UK again, huh?

Yes. When some Brits do the high and mighty thing as per this thread.

[joecoolfrog]

14 hours ago, mickymouse1 said:

There is no need whatsoever to have any English language skills to qualify as a Teacher in a non English speaking Nation.

Teachers in the UK are not obliged to have any knowledge of German or French etc.

 

You dont think perhaps there might be a bigger picture ?

[anon4546543]

18 hours ago, bluesofa said:

I think because at the lower school ages, one teacher tends to teach their class all the subjects, rather than specialise in just one.

So true. Learning a foreign language is much easier when taught to the young.

I do speak clear concise English but was unable to communicate with the English teachers at senior and further education schools.

I was invited to speak in one class. The daughter of an Englishman spoke very good English.

I do speak a fraction of Thai. The poor Thai I speak is much more than the English students and most government departments.

I met my now wife 8 years ago. She speaks very good conversational English.

 I was invited to "teach" conversational English by 3 schools. 

I could. But it is forbidden on pain of losing my visa. I do go to the neighbours' and speak to young kids. But that is no good either.

It is so frustrating. Some of the kids actually want to learn, as do their parents want their children to learn. 

[Redline]

Too bad the language for international business, science, and ASEAN is English.  Keeping standards and expectations low as usual, only to rest assure that the country will continue to free fall, and all of he grand plans with fancy acronyms guaranteed to fail.  Most countries are not stupid enough to invest in failure 

[Odysseus123]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Yes. When some Brits do the high and mighty thing as per this thread.

You do it every time.

 

It is your sole strategy of deflection and you have been doing it ad nauseam for years.

 

Would you care to comment about Thailand's Gadarene rush towards the bottom of the educational stakes-as commented upon many ASEAN educators as well?

 

Your "source" is merely an advertisement for a maths "olympiad"

Edited January 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[SheungWan]

8 hours ago, fruitman said:

I don't even know what happened 50 years ago in singapore but whatever it was it was all good for their country since they developed into a very nice country where i feel welcome and respected. And i'm sure they treat me that way because i'm human and that's all i expect.

If i ever want to do business in Asia then Singapore would be the place to setup. They speak good english, don't scam around, don't annoy me, know how to entertain me, are efficient and fast and just let me do my thing.

Thailand asks for quality tourists but at the same time treats them like unwanted criminals without any standards. Well now they get chinese and indians, you reap what you sow.

Moving to Singapore anytime soon?

Edited January 15, 2019 by SheungWan

[SheungWan]

On 1/14/2019 at 6:38 AM, YetAnother said:

obviously a lot of quality thought put into this decision; result: a third world country sentencing itself to remain so

So how would you interpret the information that in the UK it is possible for a home student to enter university without a decent grade in English Language GCSE?

[roo860]

My first English teacher, an old lady, lived in a 200 year old home in Chiang mai.  Are you not interested in seeing old Thai culture?  Lots of examples of ancient buildings and culture and tradition. 

How old is the house in the first pic?

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[marcusarelus]

7 minutes ago, roo860 said:

How old is the house in the first pic?

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New.  Thais can build good houses now as they could 200 years ago.  Get a good builder. 

Edited January 15, 2019 by marcusarelus

[marcusarelus]

8 hours ago, fruitman said:

I don't even know what happened 50 years ago in singapore but whatever it was it was all good for their country since they developed into a very nice country where i feel welcome and respected. And i'm sure they treat me that way because i'm human and that's all i expect.

 

If i ever want to do business in Asia then Singapore would be the place to setup. They speak good english, don't scam around, don't annoy me, know how to entertain me, are efficient and fast and just let me do my thing.

 

Thailand asks for quality tourists but at the same time treats them like unwanted criminals without any standards. Well now they get chinese and indians, you reap what you sow.

Singapore is a totalitarian dictatorship.  The dictator happens to be benevolent.  Perhaps you would feel more comfortable having someone make all of your decisions.  If so Singapore is the place for you. Remember don't chew gum.  Last time I was there all of the elevators smelled like pee.  Things have changed.

[Ossy]

20 hours ago, robblok said:

Not everyone needs English period and if you don't need it in your field why bother people with it. Someone studying law for instance can drop English at a certain point. 

A flawed argument, Rob, and such a contrast from the approach of other more progressive countries, e.g. China. Check this out https://www.quora.com/At-what-age-do-the-Chinese-in-China-start-learning-English-in-school

and you'll see that China and probably half of the world's population disagrees with your weak case for letting experts in certain specific fields, e.g. your 'great mechanic' or law student, be excused from learning English . . . because it's too difficult. More like because a good number would-be mechanics and lawyers are simply too lazy to learn English and lack the wherewithal to look ahead to the future when they might want to be looking beyond these shores and 'speaking' to the rest of the world to further their careers.

[Essecola]

The local teachers are often a long way better than some of the awful people that come in the country and teach with no work permit. I can think of at least a couple examples. Just having a university degree from two decades ago doesn't make up for the disgusting human beings some of them are.

 

Of course there are excellent teachers out there too who love their work and have completed diverse courses in education as well as language. 

 

 

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, Ossy said:

A flawed argument, Rob, and such a contrast from the approach of other more progressive countries, e.g. China. Check this out https://www.quora.com/At-what-age-do-the-Chinese-in-China-start-learning-English-in-school

and you'll see that China and probably half of the world's population disagrees with your weak case for letting experts in certain specific fields, e.g. your 'great mechanic' or law student, be excused from learning English . . . because it's too difficult. More like because a good number would-be mechanics and lawyers are simply too lazy to learn English and lack the wherewithal to look ahead to the future when they might want to be looking beyond these shores and 'speaking' to the rest of the world to further their careers.

Lets agree to disagree, i come a country where the education works and I myself have a decent education and I have learned that not everyone is good at languages and not everyone can do the same things. But we all have our special abilities and should not be hampered by languages holding us back getting a decent degree in the field we choose (unless language is needed).

 

But i guess you yourself dont speak many languages besides your native one and expect others to do so for your convenience. You don't seem to gasp that not everyone will be able to learn English at the same level as other subjects. Its totally uncalled for to force people to learn a high level of English and fail them if they can't when they are great at their field of choice. It would be like forcing everyone to learn history up until real high level instead of just a general level and then proceeding to the field you want to learn in at a higher level. (without having history or English holding you back)

 

I am all for a basic English level and higher level for those who need it but to expect everyone to complete English and be judged on it for their degree is totally unrealistic and something only native English speakers would think of because they themselves are too lazy to learn other languages.

 

I guess its easy to judge people when you have no idea how an education is done in other countries and how it works. Typical a case of people with no knowledge trying to sound smart.

 

Sorry for being so rough but I just totally disagree with having to attain English at the same level as your primary subject when its not needed. I am all for a basic level of English and only higher for those who need it. 

 

If those other countries are so great then why are the Dutch much better at English.. seems to me our system works and theirs does not.

[sup3r1or]

Okay so lets me get this right, for every farang teacher the TCT comes up with the highest possible qualification requirements, like Masters Degree (from ABAC as recommended by them) at nearly 300k bht. Maybe instead of making sure that everyone graduates just because they pay money for their education, you try to raise the plank to get quality over the quality.  

[lapamita]

The education here is a desaster. English skills in my opinion is even lower than before here..

me speak 4 languages. 2 foreign languages required by school

 

..but when i see most people from the commonwealth countrys..most of them speak only 1 , their own , bcs to lazy to learn..bcs they think the world have to speak their part, and yes,for them its easy..... ( and some parts cant even seak their own in a understandable way)

Edited January 15, 2019 by lapamita

[Odysseus123]

3 minutes ago, lapamita said:

The education here is a desaster. English skills in my opinion is even lower than before here..

me speak 4 languages. 2 foreign languages required by school

 

..but when i see most people from the commonwealth countrys..most of them speak only 1 , their own , bcs to lazy to learn..bcs they think the world have to speak their part, and yes,for them its easy..... ( and some parts cant even seak their own in a understandable way)

Deflection..as usual.

 

My professional field actively recruits nurses from the Philipines,India (notably Kerala) Malaysia,Hong Kong andSouth Korea.

 

In my time I never saw a Thai Registered Nurse,radiographer,pathologist or technician.

 

They can't speak English and their so-called qualifications are extremely poor.

 

The usual Thai apologists who scream about Western teachers-merely enhance the already blatant image of a lazy,ignorant country which cannot even meet basic ASEAN standards-they just find another excuse to flub it-and to blame others.

 

They have built an even better wall then Hadrian or East Germany.They have built a self satisfied wall of smug ignorance.

[Kittycat66]

I think if a student speaks English really well he or she get 80,000 baht a month and those who dont get paid 20,000 baht a month if hired from a school or employer only seems fair to me, very little effort then you dont deserve to be paid well.

 

Edited January 15, 2019 by Kittycat66

[balo]

We learned English at school from age 10 and a 2nd language German/French in high school. 

It's very easy for any kids to learn a new language, even for Thais.  

All you need are qualified teachers.

 

Which basically means more native speakers and less uneducated Thai teachers if you want to succeed. 

 

 

 

 

 

[somtumwrong]

4 hours ago, SheungWan said:

So how would you interpret the information that in the UK it is possible for a home student to enter university without a decent grade in English Language GCSE?

Happens in every western European country now. It's because of the immigrants, if we keep up the standards we used to have, they would never graduate. This also benefits the native village idiots of my country, they are no longer repeating a class but pass with feasible grades although they have hardly any math or writing skills. So we now have many stupid graduates, and I'm not joking. My country is famous for having one of the best educational systems in the world.

[Ossy]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

But i guess you yourself dont speak many languages besides your native one

Ah-ah! You did say let's agree to disagree and then you insist of twisting the knife a little by insult. I speak fluent French and enough German and Spanish to more than get me through whilst visiting those countries. But I do wish you'd try to avoid letting the debate sink to the 'in-your-face' nature, once you're finding it difficult to reason 'peaceably'.