EU negotiator and Council chief tell Britain's May: No to renegotiation

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

Bravo, a succinct and remarkably accurate explanation as to why the majority who bothered to vote in the referendum voted to leave. 

 

What is more, it is becoming very clear that our own parliamentary representatives, despite their manifesto declarations, don't much care either. 

 

What did you think of the PDF file I posted earlier explaining how impoverished areas are given more funding by the EU including Teesside 

 

I note the Brexit is the root cause in an 80% fall in automotive manufacturing investment over the last 3 years, of which 50% was over the last 12 months!

 

Succinct BS

[Dumbastheycome]

Summary: 

Sorry,  negotiate  what ? 

[melvinmelvin]

What is the next step in the Brexit process now?

As far as PM and UK parliament are concerned?

 

[Loiner]

What is the next step in the Brexit process now?
As far as PM and UK parliament are concerned?
 

Let May go on her mission and report back failure on 13th Feb.
Take a week off on recess.
Fend off some Remainer nonsense
Realise you’ve all run out of time
Slip into No Deal exit on 29th March


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[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, Johnyo said:

Like the EU cares about what peasants in Sunderland think.

What a charmer you are. I am sure the nice people of Sunderland would love to show you some North East , food, culture and traditions. Knuckle sandwich for starters!

[Grouse]

23 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

What is the next step in the Brexit process now?

As far as PM and UK parliament are concerned?

 

Hold the Tory party together

[ballpoint]

19 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Tell me how Germans can vote out their president. 

 

19 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I am not German and not bound by German law, won't ever live there again. So it doesn't really bother me ole bean.

So, how would you vote out your own head of state?  What about the members of your Upper House?  Head of the civil service?

[Loiner]

Hold the Tory party together

They all do that anyway. Party first principles second. LAB being the biggest culprits.
You saw the Tories do that in December by their internal vote of confidence. They did it again a couple of weeks ago when Corbyn tried it.


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[dick dasterdly]

10 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Summary: 

Sorry,  negotiate  what ? 

Have to 'like' this post for the video ????.  They're sooo cute.

[Laughing Gravy]

53 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

 

So, how would you vote out your own head of state?  What about the members of your Upper House?  Head of the civil service?

I wouldn't I am a royalist.????

The House of lords, that is different. That shower I would totally restructure with no Lords coming from birthright. No Ex MP's either and have a balanced, smaller political view, making it more equal than now. Plus they would also be on a fixed term. 5 years max..

Edited February 1, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[welovesundaysatspace]

52 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

 

So, how would you vote out your own head of state?  What about the members of your Upper House?  Head of the civil service?

The German electorate cannot vote their president out. According to the Brexiteers here, that must make Germany an undemocratic totalitarian regime like the EU. 

[melvinmelvin]

There is a very interesting article re Brexit in today's Bangkok Post.

Well worth a read.

 

some tastes;

 

Spokesman for Merkel:

     reopening the deal is not on the agenda

 

Tusk:

     now we are informed what UK does not want,

     we still do not know what UK wants

 

Irish minister of foreign affairs:

     this is extraordinary,

     a PM and her government negotiates a deal,

     during the ratification process, they vote against their own deal

 

Think TM is facing an uphill task trying to hack whatever she wants to achieve.

 

A true mess this is.

A horror example of multilateral talks ending in ????

 

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

16 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

There is a very interesting article re Brexit in today's Bangkok Post.

Well worth a read.

 

some tastes;

 

Spokesman for Merkel:

     reopening the deal is not on the agenda

 

Tusk:

     now we are informed what UK does not want,

     we still do not know what UK wants

 

Irish minister of foreign affairs:

     this is extraordinary,

     a PM and her government negotiates a deal,

     during the ratification process, they vote against their own deal

 

Think TM is facing an uphill task trying to hack whatever she wants to achieve.

 

A true mess this is.

A horror example of multilateral talks ending in ????

 

 

 

The eu know very well that uk politicians want a 'remain' deal - that they can sell to the electorate as 'leave'....

[Grouse]

13 hours ago, nauseus said:

What in hell is EEC2? A TV channel? 

Short for "similar to original EEC" conditions. Some form of common market with frictionless trade and common rule book.

[Grouse]

55 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

The eu know very well that uk politicians want a 'remain' deal - that they can sell to the electorate as 'leave'....

I think that's rather uncharitable. Certainly many are pro Remain. However, there are many benevolent, altruistic, types who wish to respect the referendum result in a way that is least damaging to the population generally.

Edited February 1, 2019 by Grouse

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I think that's rather uncharitable. Certainly many are pro Remain. However, many benevolent types who wish to respect the referendum result in a way that is least damaging.

I understand what your saying but to me its like saying we will have a cup final with two teams and they both get the cup.

 

 

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I understand what your saying but to me its like saying we will have a cup final with two teams and they both get the cup.

 

 

And not only that; it's a bigger cup.

 

Glad you understand that this is not a zero sum game!

 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Short for "similar to original EEC" conditions. Some form of common market with frictionless trade and common rule book.

Well I think I always said that an (EEC) Common Market idea was OK.

 

But the Treaty of Rome included so much more than a sensible trading agreement that was not fairly explained in the first place when Heath deceived us.

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The German electorate cannot vote their president out. According to the Brexiteers here, that must make Germany an undemocratic totalitarian regime like the EU. 

Why are you constantly throwing that old chestnut about in order to justify more claptrap?

Edited February 1, 2019 by evadgib

[dick dasterdly]

20 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I think that's rather uncharitable. Certainly many are pro Remain. However, there are many benevolent, altruistic, types who wish to respect the referendum result in a way that is least damaging to the population generally.

"However, there are many benevolent, altruistic, types" (re. MPs)

 

I too love sarcasm as a source of humour. ????

[Grouse]

11 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"However, there are many benevolent, altruistic, types" (re. MPs)

 

I too love sarcasm as a source of humour. ????

As with most populations they will follow a Gaussian distribution.

 

If you believe all politicians are equally selfish, self seeking, greedy bastards then just give up now.

 

I still retain a more positive outlook. I can see the greedy selfish bastards as well as you. I also many benevolent, possibly foolish idealists. I retain hope. And I retain a 1L bottle of Monkey Shoulder purchased at KLIA2 yesterday. Ever been to that terminal? Don't! It's like a meat packing factory but less fragrant.

[dick dasterdly]

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

As with most populations they will follow a Gaussian distribution.

 

If you believe all politicians are equally selfish, self seeking, greedy bastards then just give up now.

 

I still retain a more positive outlook. I can see the greedy selfish bastards as well as you. I also many benevolent, possibly foolish idealists. I retain hope. And I retain a 1L bottle of Monkey Shoulder purchased at KLIA2 yesterday. Ever been to that terminal? Don't! It's like a meat packing factory but less fragrant.

"If you believe all politicians are equally selfish, self seeking, greedy bastards then just give up now."

 

Surely now is the time for the electorate to realise this is the case and hold them accountable?

 

Having said this, the electorate already knew this to be the case, but their shenanigans over this issue has made it even more clear......

[welovesundaysatspace]

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Why are you constantly throwing that old chestnut about in order to justify more claptrap?

Don’t blame me for Brexiteers not understanding representative democracy and falsely calling politicians in Brussels “unelected”. 

[Basil B]

No means No...

 

This is a high stakes poker game where someone is likely to lose more than their shirt blouse.

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Don’t blame me for Brexiteers not understanding representative democracy and falsely calling politicians in Brussels “unelected”. 

They are neither elected by or accountable to the electorate. If they were we may never have voted to leave.

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They are neither elected by or accountable to the electorate. If they were we may never have voted to leave.

They are as much as politicians in other representative democracies. Maybe you just don’t know, or you deliberately are spreading lies, both we know from Brexiteers. 

[melvinmelvin]

9 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They are neither elected by or accountable to the electorate. If they were we may never have voted to leave.

 

what do you guys mean when you say politicians in Brussels?

and, which electorate?

 

do you mean the Commissioners or?

 

[melvinmelvin]

9 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They are neither elected by or accountable to the electorate. If they were we may never have voted to leave.

 

[Spidey]

16 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They are neither elected by or accountable to the electorate. If they were we may never have voted to leave.

Neither is the PM. Elected by her party not the electorate.

[evadgib]

12 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

They are as much as politicians in other representative democracies. Maybe you just don’t know, or you deliberately are spreading lies, both we know from Brexiteers. 

lol; The "Cuckoo effect" is highly unlikely to ensnare the poster who enlightened the board to it's very existence????