New Rules- update - Pattaya Meeting

[elviajero]

5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Why? Because it doesn't agree with what the "experts" on Thai Visa are saying?

 

Clearly states that the new criteria for obtaining a retirement extension via the 800k baht route are for first time applicants only.

 

Something that others have been saying but poo pooed by the "experts" without any real proof.

 

No real proof either way but Key Visa do have a degree of credibility.

No it doesn't.

 

The old order clearly separated first time applicants. The new order doesn't. If there were separate rules they would be stated in the new order.

[Spidey]

8 minutes ago, elviajero said:

No it doesn't.

 

The old order clearly separated first time applicants. The new order doesn't. If there were separate rules they would be stated in the new order.

A lack of evidence isn't evidence. The order is very badly written. As clear as mud. Can be interpreted either way.

 

Personally, I would prefer to get my information from someone who has an inside track to senior IOs.....like Key Visa.

[elviajero]

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

A lack of evidence isn't evidence. The order is very badly written. As clear as mud. Can be interpreted either way.

 

Personally, I would prefer to get my information from someone who has an inside track to senior IOs.....like Key Visa.

The only evidence evidently does not back up what Key Visa are saying.

 

If that new order is only for new applicants, what are the rules for the second year onwards?

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, elviajero said:

The only evidence evidently does not back up what Key Visa are saying.

 

If that new order is only for new applicants, what are the rules for the second year onwards?

No change.

 

I think that the fact that it refers to 2 months seasoning prior to application, could be taken as evidence. That is the rule now for new applicants. Why change from 3 months to 2 for existing applicants?

[bert bloggs]

well i got my new yearly visa , 800000 in thai bank as usual on jan 7th ,before this was known so i assume i just carry on as normal ,ive taken 100000 out already , and start the new rules from my next one . but this thread says for first timers ,well ive been doing it for 13 years , so what is are the "new rules" these or the other threads?

[elviajero]

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

No change.

 

I think that the fact that it refers to 2 months seasoning prior to application, could be taken as evidence. That is the rule now for new applicants. Why change from 3 months to 2 for existing applicants?

New applicants, under the existing rules, is already 2 months (60 days).

 

The change of seasoning from 3 to 2 for existing applicants is probably because they're now insisting the funds stay in the bank for 3 months after.

Edited February 8, 2019 by elviajero

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

well i got my new yearly visa , 800000 in thai bank as usual on jan 7th ,before this was known so i assume i just carry on as normal ,ive taken 100000 out already , and start the new rules from my next one . but this thread says for first timers ,well ive been doing it for 13 years , so what is are the "new rules" these or the other threads?

Even though you got your extension before this new 800K hit, and it's maybe too late for you to meet the new don't go under 800K for three months after, just to be on the safer side, I would suggest not going under 400K for the entire year of the extension. Just in case you meet an officer with different opinions about retroactivity. 

Edited February 8, 2019 by Jingthing

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

well i got my new yearly visa , 800000 in thai bank as usual on jan 7th ,before this was known so i assume i just carry on as normal ,ive taken 100000 out already , and start the new rules from my next one . but this thread says for first timers ,well ive been doing it for 13 years , so what is are the "new rules" these or the other threads?

You've got 10 months to find out. Personally, I would season my account 3 months before your next extension. If the new rule has reduced your seasoning time to 2 months, nothing lost.

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

New applicants, under the existing rules, is already 2 months (60 days).

 

The change of seasoning from 3 to 2 for existing applicants is probably because they're now insisting the funds stay in the bank for 3 months after.

Yes but the new applicants now have to leave the money in the bank for a further 3 months and 400k in the bank for the rest of the year.

 

Your explanation for reducing the time from 3 months to 2 prior to application just doesn't make sense, they're supposed to be tightening the rules not slackening them. Why not leave it at 3 months?

[wgdanson]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I would suggest not going under 400K for the entire year 

Exactly what the new regs say.

[Jingthing]

Just now, wgdanson said:

Exactly what the new regs say.

Yes but it shouldn't be at all retroactive to older extensions but given the way things "work" here, people are concerned that it might in real life sometimes be enforced retroactively. 

[sumrit]

Very distorted, misleading and incorrect information in the OP. 

 

If you look at the link to the expat's website in the OP you will see who actually supplied the information.

 

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(Special thanks to Darren Mcgarry of Key Visa for his technical expertise and keeping us ‘up to date’ with the ever-changing visa scene)

 

 If you've looked at the Key Visa website regularly over the years you will have seen that it rarely gives accurate and honest information but has always been designed to sound more complex and geared around the 'illegal' (but profitable) agent route.

They also used to charge British expats about 1.5k baht a time to collect their Income letters from the BE, while having them sent directly to the expats address by EMS was less than 100baht. With the demise of the income letter option they will have lost a lot of money from this rip-off alone. They will want to recover that lost revenue somehow. Expect a variety of other charges to be hidden amongst the distorted and incorrect information they will now give out. 

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, wgdanson said:

Exactly what the new regs say.

But does it apply to those who extended their visas before 1st March?

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Very distorted, misleading and incorrect information in the OP. 

 

If you look at the link to the expat's website in the OP you will see who actually supplied the information.

 

 

 If you've looked at the Key Visa website regularly over the years you will have seen that it rarely gives accurate and honest information but has always been designed to sound more complex and geared around the 'illegal' (but profitable) agent route.

They also used to charge British expats about 1.5k baht a time to collect their Income letters from the BE, while having them sent directly to the expats address by EMS was less than 100baht. With the demise of the income letter option they will have lost a lot of money from this rip-off alone. They will want to recover that lost revenue somehow. Expect a variety of other charges to be hidden amongst the distorted and incorrect information they will now give out. 

So why say that the rule only applies to new applicants? Surely that would reduce the number of customers requiring their services.

[ubonjoe]

Closing this topic since there is a topic with the new rules in it posted here.