U.S. Mission Thailand to Retirees: Retirement Planning

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U.S. Mission Thailand to Retirees: Retirement Planning

U.S. Mission Thailand to Retirees: Why You Should Have a Will   You are retired and content, living alongside tens of thousands of U.S. citizens who call Thailand home.  Have you given thought to the last piece of the puzzle:  having your final wishes carried out?    Every year, the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, and U.S. Consulate in Chiang Mai, assist hundreds of bereaved families whose U.S. citizen relatives pass away in Thailand.  We have seen the peace of mind that comes from them knowing what their loved ones wanted – and the hardship that comes from confusion and lack of preparation.  Below, we share hard-earned lessons to help you care for your heirs and have your wishes met.  Above all, this means writing a will and ensuring someone knows you have one.   Notifying Loved Ones – Help Us Help You   When we learn of a U.S. citizen’s passing, we endeavor to find the next of kin and help them work with Thai authorities on next steps like cremation or burial.  Though Thai law governs this process, Thai police and hospital representatives frequently rely on the U.S. Embassy or U.S. Consulate for confirmation and to relay instructions from the next of kin.    Sometimes U.S. citizens do not have close family members who can serve as legal next of kin.  Your will should clearly designate who you wish to act on your behalf, so we can make sure your wishes are followed quickly.  The emergency contact you designate on passport renewals or in your STEP registration should also have this information.   Do You Want to be Cremated, Buried, or Sent Home to the United States?   When you pass away, do you wish to be cremated, or buried?  In Thailand or in the United States?  Or elsewhere?  Who will pay for the funeral arrangements?    In our experience, decisions on funeral arrangements are among the most difficult, emotionally fraught, and frustrating for friends and family.  Death overseas adds another layer of complexity.  Frequently, the deceased’s remains are held in a hospital morgue in Thailand pending directions from the next of kin or the decision maker designated in the will.  This individual may be asked to pay storage fees, or costs associated with final medical care, before their loved one’s remains are released.  They must then arrange for cremation or burial, and it gets more complex (and expensive) as they contemplate repatriating the remains to the United States.  (The U.S. Embassy and U.S. Consulate can provide information and help to coordinate with local hospitals and police, but has no funds to assist with funeral arrangements or repatriation of remains.)   You can help your family or other designee by indicating your wishes and setting aside sufficient funds to cover any necessary arrangements.  Most importantly, make sure they can access those funds by providing them with a power of attorney.   Who Will Inherit Your Assets in Thailand and in the United States?   Thai and U.S. probate processes are separate and are governed by the laws in each country; your will should address both.    Are you separated or estranged, but not divorced?  Do you have a long-time boyfriend or girlfriend, but aren’t married?  Do you have multiple children, or numerous siblings?  Are you the last living relative?   If you die without a clear primary next of kin, there can be long delays in the settlement of your estate.  Worse still, your intended beneficiaries may find they have no recourse if Thai or U.S. law points to a different next of kin and you have not indicated your wishes in a will.  And remember, a Thai partner in a “common law” marriage with a U.S. citizen is not recognized by the United States as next of kin – unless he or she is specified in the will.   Do They Know What You Have?   It is also very important you make a detailed list of your possessions and how you want them to be disbursed.  While we have found the probate process in Thailand is typically sufficient to safeguard real property (land, condos, houses, etc.), it can be very difficult to account for other items between the time of death and notification of next of kin.  This includes bank book information, cash and jewelry, and objects of sentimental value.    The U.S. Embassy and U.S. Consulate can serve as provisional conservators for your estate if your loved ones are not in Thailand, but we are limited in our ability to immediately secure your possessions.  Thai authorities can and frequently do assist at our request, but the surest way you can guarantee your loved ones receive what you bequeath to them is to spell it out in a will.  You may wish to have the will translated into Thai and share it with Thai friends, as well.   Who Will Ensure Your Will is Recovered?   Once you have a will, have a strategy for making it known.  Thai officials, the U.S. Embassy or U.S. Consulate, and loved ones must all make consequential decisions immediately after a U.S. citizen passes away.  Even when we make contact with friends or family members, they frequently do not know if the deceased U.S. citizen had a will.    Make sure your will is stored in a safe, secure, and readily accessible location – such as filed with a law office – and that friends and family, especially the designated administrator, know where it is.  You should give them an electronic copy and ensure they know to contact the U.S. Embassy.   Time Now to Sit Back and Enjoy   Thailand has long been a welcoming and gracious host to U.S. citizen retirees.  We at the U.S. Embassy and U.S. Consulate are committed to serving your community and helping you to enjoy your well-earned retirement.  We hope that you will take the time to ensure your final wishes are articulated and your loved ones are cared for afterwards.  Peace of mind, after all, is the goal of the Third Chapter in Life.     This article was drafted by the American Citizens Services unit of the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, part of an advice column for U.S. citizens permanently living in Thailand.  For more information that could assist you in planning for your family’s future, please visit our website: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/death-of-a-u-s-citizen/.  U.S. citizens resident in Thailand are subject to Thai law, including for issues related to bereavement.  The U.S. Embassy cannot assist in drafting or witnessing a will.  This is not professional legal advice.  You may wish to consider contacting a legal service provider: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/local-resources-of-u-s-citizens/attorneys/.   U.S. Embassy homepage: https://th.usembassy.gov/

[Suradit69]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

" We at the US embassy and US consulate are committed to serving your community."

 

 

... despite recent evidence to the contrary.

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2019 by Suradit69

[from the home of CC]

they want to make sure they get their tax bite on your demise...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

22 hours ago, webfact said:

We at the U.S. Embassy and U.S. Consulate are committed to serving your community and helping you to enjoy your well-earned retirement. 

 

Except:

 

22 hours ago, webfact said:

The U.S. Embassy cannot assist in drafting or witnessing a will. 

Under U.S. law, AFAIK, any adult, competent person can witness a will. Doesn't have to be a relative or someone even personally acquainted with the will-maker.  So why can't the Embassy staff serve as will witnesses?

 

Or when it comes to throwing many thousands (maybe more) of U.S. expats under the bus by unilaterally ceasing to issue Immigration income affidavits, when virtually every other country with an Embassy in Thailand (except for the UK, Aus. and the Danes) are continuing to do so.

 

Or by arguably misleading its own citizens in the early going of the income letters debacle when the staff held a forum and talked about working to educate Thai Immigration staff on how to read and understand documents like U.S. SS statements (the implication there being that in the future U.S. retirees might be able to prove their income by showing Immigration such statements). Only to have all that come to nothing, and end up with no ability to show/rely on official U.S. income documents at all!

 

The other thing I noticed about their STEP notification system recently is, AFAICT, it seems to allow only ONE designated contact.... Which seems to me to be poorly thought out, as at least for me, I'd want my Thai wife here to certainly be one designated contact, but I'd also want my own relatives back in the U.S. to be another contact. But AFAICT, their system won't allow that.

Edited February 16, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[KenKadz]

Americans disgruntled by ACS (American Citizen Services) recent changes should know that the only way to get DOS (Department of State)'s attention is to write or email the office of your Congressional representatives, (in the state where you are registered to vote), and air your grievances. DOS does pay attention to Congressional offices, i.e. their annual appropriations.

[wwest5829]

On 2/16/2019 at 2:39 PM, from the home of CC said:

they want to make sure they get their tax bite on your demise...

 

On 2/16/2019 at 2:39 PM, from the home of CC said:

they want to make sure they get their tax bite on your demise...

As the 2018 tax year inheritance tax exclusion is set at 5.6 million USD ... plus other means available to reduce the amount included in inheritance, well just so folks know that the “tax bite” you are addressing will not be affecting the vast majority as we are the working middle class.

[wwest5829]

On 2/16/2019 at 6:06 PM, KenKadz said:

Americans disgruntled by ACS (American Citizen Services) recent changes should know that the only way to get DOS (Department of State)'s attention is to write or email the office of your Congressional representatives, (in the state where you are registered to vote), and air your grievances. DOS does pay attention to Congressional offices, i.e. their annual appropriations.

As my Senators are Mitch McConnell and Ron Paul, I fear brining to their attention that I am spending my Social Security outside the country for fear that they and their ilk will further penalize retirees. And, as an American, I support the Embassy decision not to become involved in investigating my retirement income.

[KenKadz]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

As my Senators are Mitch McConnell and Ron Paul, I fear brining to their attention that I am spending my Social Security outside the country for fear that they and their ilk will further penalize retirees. And, as an American, I support the Embassy decision not to become involved in investigating my retirement income.

I expect every situation is different depending on the sources of the person's retirement income.

 

Years ago when I applied for my first Income Affidavit letter from the Embassy I contacted American Citizen Services (ACS) and specifically asked what proof of Income I should bring to the Outreach.

 

ACS staff told me that proof of income was not necessary because I was swearing the information on the affidavit was true. (No proof? Guess Americans don't lie)

 

When ACS made it's recent changes I contacted them again and asked if ACS would issue an Income Affidavit letter based on an official copy of my Social Security award letter plus the letters from a couple other Federal Gov't. retirement entitlements. ACS stopped talking to me!

 

Bottom line is that I have a very low opinion of ACS's professionalism, thinking they are just lazy, and fail to meet their mandate to provide services to American citizens. (Okay I guess Outreach and Income Affidavits are not official Department of State services.)

 

It also deserves mention that the Outreach schedule changes and Income Affidavit problems happened after the former Ambassador Glynn Davies left his position, indicating internal manipulation by Foreign Service personnel with their own agenda.

[Hanuman2547]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:40 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except:

 

Under U.S. law, AFAIK, any adult, competent person can witness a will. Doesn't have to be a relative or someone even personally acquainted with the will-maker.  So why can't the Embassy staff serve as will witnesses?

 

 

.............and therein lies the problem, finding a competent person within the embassy staff.

[moontang]

I wonder how many fake lawyers are on their referral list nowadays.

[bronzedude]

Anyone who submits a US tax return has their gross income shown in plain sight. Why can't a US citizen go into the US embassy with his or hers tax return, social security benefit letter, company pension information showing monthly disbursements, IRA distributions etc., show these documents to a staff member and receive a letter of income? The US citizen does all the leg work for the embassy staff. What would be the problem? Is this just a case of the US government saying that they "can't be bothered" to give a simple service to its citizens?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, bronzedude said:

 What would be the problem? Is this just a case of the US government saying that they "can't be bothered" to give a simple service to its citizens?

 

Why indeed???  Such a system would not be fool proof or perfect, but it certainly would be as good or better than what most of the other income letter issuing embassies are still doing now.

 

As for your second question, apparently, the answer is a resounding.... YES!   They can't be bothered actually providing a needed service to their citizens abroad... because we're not politicians or big corporations that merit their attention.