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Just now, Skeptic7 said:

What a moron. Unbelievably stupid stunt. On the show...his mom, dad and brother all did hard time. Looks like his TV family really had an influence. Idiot. :crazy:

At first read, I thought you used another rhyming noun that would have snuggled in nicely with your description of this creature.

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This will be interesting. Black guys usually get harsher sentences...even the affluent ones. Remember Wesley Snipes got 3 years for 3 misdemeanor charges, while Paul Manafort only got >4 years for 8 felony charges! Hardly seems equitable. 

 

Jussie's definitely gonna pay some fines and prob do some time. The interesting part will be how long his sentence will be. 

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2 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

That is the least convincing argument for disparity in the justice system I have seen.

Makes no difference whether you're convinced. It was one example...to inspire thought and inquiry. Here's more supporting evidence...

 

A 2014 University of Michigan Law School study, for instance, found that all other factors being equal, black offenders were 75 percent more likely to face a charge carrying a mandatory minimum sentence than a white offender who committed the same crime.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/black-men-sentenced-time-white-men-crime-study/story?id=51203491

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html

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6 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Makes no difference whether you're convinced. It was one example...to inspire thought and inquiry. Here's more supporting evidence...

 

A 2014 University of Michigan Law School study, for instance, found that all other factors being equal, black offenders were 75 percent more likely to face a charge carrying a mandatory minimum sentence than a white offender who committed the same crime.

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/black-men-sentenced-time-white-men-crime-study/story?id=51203491

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html

 

What on earth does this have to do with anything in the OP?

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Well I am going to be the better man on this and give him the presumption of innocence on all 16 counts. However his real trouble will come when the feds charge him for the letter with the magazine cut out letters and the white powder. If he did that he is in deep doo doo.You don't mess with the mail. That resembles something the Unabomber would do.  Again the man deserves a trial.

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6 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

LOL did you read the study as opposed to the agenda driven analysis? if you did, you would  not have posted it. 

 Lets make it easy though...there is no racial animus in the CJS shown in the study

 

LOL. There was a lot of info provided, including more than 1 study, that you blatantly disregarded. Let's make it easy...the USSC disagrees with your unfounded opinion. 

 

From the United States Sentencing Commission, Washington DC...

 

Key Findings: Consistent with its previous reports, the Commission found that sentence length continues to be associated with some demographic factors. In particular, after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors, the Commission found: • Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders. Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders during the Post-Report period (fiscal years 2012-2016), as they had for the prior four periods studied. The differences in sentence length remained relatively unchanged compared to the Post-Gall period.

 

Conclusion: In this report, the Commission has provided an update to its prior reports on demographic differences in sentencing. The Commission found that sentence length continues to be associated with some demographic factors, in particular race and gender. After controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors, the Commission found that Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders, and that female offenders of all races received shorter sentences than White male offenders.

 

Full reporthttps://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf

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9 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Conclusion: In this report, the Commission has provided an update to its prior reports on demographic differences in sentencing. The Commission found that sentence length continues to be associated with some demographic factors, in particular race and gender. After controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors, the Commission found that Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders, and that female offenders of all races received shorter sentences than White male offenders.

And that shows...what? Whats the point?

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Just now, Skeptic7 said:

:cheesy: :crazy: :cheesy: 

 

go back to sleep...????

Guess you didnt read the last paragraph of the report. Owned.

 

Enjoy your brew, old Jussie will be treated the same as anyone else in a colour blind justice system ????

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7 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

Hes trying to cry racism, in a thread about a black gay limosuine liberal who faked a hate crime, which makes no sense. 

Been a lot of that hate crime faking. 

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1 hour ago, Skeptic7 said:

A 2014 University of Michigan Law School study, for instance, found that all other factors being equal, black offenders were 75 percent more likely to face a charge carrying a mandatory minimum sentence than a white offender who committed the same crime.

But there's no such thing as all things being equal. Not all races commit crimes at equal rates and people KNOW this through their experiences in life. Fact of the matter is a Chinese kid with no criminal record is far less likely to commit future crimes than a Black kid with the exact same background.

 

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4 minutes ago, genericptr said:

But there's no such thing as all things being equal. Not all races commit crimes at equal rates and people KNOW this through their experiences in life. Fact of the matter is a Chinese kid with no criminal record is far less likely to commit future crimes than a Black kid with the exact same background.

 

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Would that depend on the percent they are black or is it just a little brown or dark tan color is the same as a really black person.  What if the Chinese kid was part HIspanic?  Which gene would win the violence battle in his mind?  If I see a Chinese kid walking down the street with a gun drawn should I assume he is hunting rats? 

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18 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Guess you didnt read the last paragraph of the report. Owned.

 

Enjoy your brew, old Jussie will be treated the same as anyone else in a colour blind justice system ????

Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders during the Post-Report period (fiscal years 2012-2016), as they had for the prior four periods studied.

 

the Commission found that Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders

 

OWNED. Next...

 

14 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Hes trying to cry racism, in a thread about a black gay limosuine liberal who faked a hate crime, which makes no sense. 

 

He then posts an excerpt from a study which shows women of all races have it far easier then white men when dealing with the criminal justice system. 

 

And now I think we are going to need social justice in regards to Misandry. The study clearly shows that white men receive longer punishment than women, and that is wrong. 

555..."he's" not crying anything. Just reporting the facts. While agreed it's wrong that females receive lighter sentences than males...Strawman much??? Your denial of the main point of the study (and this part of the thread) and deflection to women over white men, totally disregarding all else, is the best (and grossest) strawman ever! Congrats on that! :clap2:

 

Deny facts...deflect...deny evidence...deflect...deny truth...deflect...

 

...wash, rinse and repeat.  :1zgarz5:

 

Not my quotes, but perfect for you lot...

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts.

Facts remain facts, regardless of one's opinion of them. 

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OK sorry if off topic, but this is important and crucial to the extended discussion, even though it shouldn't have been necessary and was abundantly clear from the start...

 

The repeated findings in studies about this topic are consistent and conclusive.

 

Stuff like 'may consider...could affect...may have been...unknown...not readily available...cannot be measured' amount to nothing. All that just serves to prevent premature pointing of fingers at individual judges...and rightly so. The one line from the repeated (4 times) study which is the most important and conclusive...

 

"Multivariate analysis cannot explain why the observed differences in sentencing outcomes exist, but only that they do.(emphasis added)

 

This entire discussion has been about whether it occurs...(it does)...NOT why it occurs. 

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