glegolo Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Kadilo said: Rearrange your name and you get google..l. There’s a coincidence. Not 100% sure I understand your post correctly. Do you mean that it was stupid of me asking the question here, instead of google myself?? glegolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLover Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Cobra said: Used to have a sticker on my car with the flag from home country, Thai drivers occasionally tried running into me, pulling in front me ☹️ ahhh farang, money ! Took the sticker off never had a problem since. Are you Burmese by chance? Additionally, would flying a Union Jack upside down make you a 'Union Jerk'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 hours ago, glegolo said: Guys you are fantastic in finding facts, thank you so much for your help. Best to you all glegolo They are so lucky to have google and a key pad to type websearches into 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Daffy D said: Just out of interest how many people know the right way up for the British "Union Jack" flag ? Also I believe until recently it was against the law to fly a Union Jack at a private residence, something to do with upsetting minority groups I cannot hold back my pedantry any longer. The Union Flag is only a "Union Jack" when it is flown on a Royal Navy ship - specifically, on the jackstaff of the ship. Sorry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Catton Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, sanemax said: They are so lucky to have google and a key pad to type websearches into Each to their own methodology. Yes, I have a keyboard and being based at the end of the world, also having more than available time on hand to provide perhaps solution. Others are not fortunate like yourself and I, hence the post by glegolo. Please either assist but don't denigrate the thread, You are much better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Daffy D said: Also I believe until recently it was against the law to fly a Union Jack at a private residence, something to do with upsetting minority groups And there is 1 particular minority group, of course, who would likely still take strong exception to the Union Flag being flown above the EU flag on the same flagpole!???? Edited March 10, 2019 by OJAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) In military terms the hoisting of one national flag over the other means that you have captured that position. This is particularly relevant when a ship captures another where the capturing ensign/flag is raised superior to the defeated ensign/flag on the same hoist. The same applied to the capture of fortresses. It therefore follows that the answer to the OP is NO. Never hoist a National Flag/ensign superior to another. PS; The phrase "nailing your colours to the mast" is so that your colours/flag/ensign et al cannot be shot away (indicating surrender) and cannot have anything hoisted above them. It is also why a RN Warship going into battle would always try and hoist three battle ensigns! Unfortunately modern warship design/warfare practice precludes this symbolism now. Edited March 10, 2019 by scottiejohn PS added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceKadet Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, lannarebirth said: Or maybe they were giving the international distress signal and people only cared that the flag was upside down. jk How can it be "international", as most counties flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down. Like the Swedish flag, and Thai flag, and another 100 countries or so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Flying the UK Flag/Jack upside down is not internationally recognised as a mark of distress but has been used in fiction and in some anecdotal stories where the hero has done this to attract attention to other "Brits/Sailors" who maybe will come and look to see if it is a distress situation and rescue them. It should be noted that the flying of any such flag (etc) upside down may be totally unintentional and should not be acted on. It should also be noted that the way in which flags are attached to the hoist/halyards make the "upside down" hoisting unlikely by marine professionals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, chickenslegs said: I cannot hold back my pedantry any longer. The Union Flag is only a "Union Jack" when it is flown on a Royal Navy ship - specifically, on the jackstaff of the ship. Sorry. Sorry chickenlegs but can I draw your attention to this Cdr Bruce Nicolls OBE RN (Retd), who curates the website of The Flag Institute, “the national vexillological organization of the United Kingdom”, at flaginstitute.org. “It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that ‘the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag’..” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLover Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said: How can it be "international", as most counties flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down. Like the Swedish flag, and Thai flag, and another 100 countries or so... ..so he must be American. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Crossy said: Absolutely, we are a vital part of the global society. Knowing how rabidly patriotic our friends from across the pond are about their flag I wanted to avoid an international incident should a citizen of that country see the sacrilege. Well spotted. DEFCON 3 averted. Good work there Crossy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Crossy said: IIRC a recent survey was something like only 60% of our British bretheren even knew it had a right way up. ...and the other 40% asked, "Can you be telling me who is this Union Jack you speak of?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Paul Catton said: .., You are much better than that. But that's sanemax you're talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, scottiejohn said: ...Unfortunately modern warship design/warfare practice precludes this symbolism now. Yes. More like, "Whoosh!.... Bang!!!" followed by a startled, "Bridge?! W T F was that???!!! Bridge?... Hello?... Bridge???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, SpaceKadet said: How can it be "international", as most counties flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down. Like the Swedish flag, and Thai flag, and another 100 countries or so... "flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down" I do not understand that comment. Country Flags are all sizes/shapes/colours/inserts and all sorts of designs and dimension. International flags/signalling includes all sorts of shapes and sizes/colours lights etc including rectangles, balls, pendants, colours and lights and of course the position of each flag/light shape etc in relation to each other and where on the vessel and where in the navigational waters they are. It may sound stupid but look up "The Rules of the Road" in relation to safety at sea! PS; Question; Which country has a flag that is all green? Edited March 10, 2019 by scottiejohn ps added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: "flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down" I do not understand that comment. Country Flags are all sizes/shapes/colours/inserts and all sorts of designs and dimension. International flags/signalling includes all sorts of shapes and sizes/colours lights etc including rectangles, balls, pendants, colours and lights and of course the position of each flag/light shape etc in relation to each other and where on the vessel and where in the navigational waters they are. It may sound stupid but look up "The Rules of the Road" in relation to safety at sea! PS; Question; Which country has a flag that is all green? Saudi Arabia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, scottiejohn said: ... PS; Question; Which country has a flag that is all green? The flag of the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya was a plain green flag. The flag of Saudi Arabia has a green field with large white Arabic writing above a white horizontal sword (the tip of the sword points to the hoist side of the flag). The Arabic writing is the Islamic statement of faith, "There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet." Green is the traditional color of Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceKadet Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, scottiejohn said: "flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down" I do not understand that comment. Country Flags are all sizes/shapes/colours/inserts and all sorts of designs and dimension. International flags/signalling includes all sorts of shapes and sizes/colours lights etc including rectangles, balls, pendants, colours and lights and of course the position of each flag/light shape etc in relation to each other and where on the vessel and where in the navigational waters they are. It may sound stupid but look up "The Rules of the Road" in relation to safety at sea! PS; Question; Which country has a flag that is all green? I am talking about countries national flag, not signaling, naval, military or otherwise. Quote me properly. All national flags (except Nepal) are rectangular in shape and vast majority are symmetrical in the horizontal plane. Is this difficult for you to understand? Hoist the Thai flag upside down and you just see a normal Thai flag. Yes, some are asymmetrical (like US, GB) and some have inserts (like Saudi Arabia). Interestingly, if you hoist the Indonesian flag upside down, it becomes the Polish flag .... Try to hoist any of the Scandinavian countries national flags upside down, and see what happens. Or French, Italian.... the list just goes on.... Is that very difficult to understand? Edited March 10, 2019 by SpaceKadet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, SpaceKadet said: How can it be "international", as most counties flags are symmetrical in the horizontal plane, and cannot be hoisted upside down. Like the Swedish flag, and Thai flag, and another 100 countries or so... International in that it is internationally known that an inverted American flag is a type of distress signal. Yes, it doesn't work for the flags of all countries. Austria for instance, which is symmetrical both horizontally and vertically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Some additional information:- http://projectbritain.com/flag.html In movies that are historically accurate you can sometimes see the flag with just the Scottish cross and English cross before it became the full British flag when Ireland was added. Same with the American stars and stripes. The initial flag had stripes representing the original 13 states and stars were added as more states became part of the union till the present day where they now have the full 50 stars representing the 50 states. Again this can sometimes be seen in movies that are historically accurate. The earlier the movie setting the fewer stars. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 6:38 AM, CharlieH said: Just get 2 poles, problem solved. ???? He asked about flag flying, not hiring a plumber. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceKadet Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 11 hours ago, lannarebirth said: International in that it is internationally known that an inverted American flag is a type of distress signal. Yes, it doesn't work for the flags of all countries. Austria for instance, which is symmetrical both horizontally and vertically. Well, I suppose you'll have to have an American flag handy, just in case you are in distress.... ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said: Well, I suppose you'll have to have an American flag handy, just in case you are in distress.... ???? Fly it upside down and you may be depth-charged by a Russian.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) On 3/10/2019 at 7:10 AM, Crossy said: I think this nails it, no Swedish flag. The Thai flag Act 1979 English translation http://www.krisdika.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/d9e7ff804ba1c19498d99a8b4221fda7/FLAG+ACT%2C+B.E.+2522+(1979).pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=d9e7ff804ba1c19498d99a8b4221fda7 I will say that I've seen flags of various nations flown outside foreign owned factories (including a US flag flown inverted**) and nobody appears to be in jail. EDIT ** They actually took it down every night and hoisted it next morning, always inverted. One of the Thai guys in our factory had a word with the "flag man", his response "we've always done it that way". Despite my being a Brit I did email the corporate HQ in the US with a photo. The flag had been sorted next time I was in the area ???? Flying a national flag upside down is normally a signal of distress/help needed. Edited March 11, 2019 by chrisinth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, chrisinth said: Flying a national flag upside down is normally a signal of distress/help needed. So, whenever we see a Union Jack, Union Flag or whatever it would like to be called it flown upside down these days, it would presumably be safe to conclude that it was, in all probability, a Remoaner who was responsible for hoisting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, OJAS said: So, whenever we see a Union Jack, Union Flag or whatever it would like to be called it flown upside down these days, it would presumably be safe to conclude that it was, in all probability, a Remoaner who was responsible for hoisting it? Quite possibly!..................... Just for information, you can fly a union jack upside down. A typical flag will have an Inglefield clip attached to the 'top' of the flag, and the second clip attached to the 'tail'. The inglefields are attached to corresponding clips on the halyard. This is meant to make it foolproof until you get 'that person' who manages to attach the tail to the top inglefield. Typical flag makeup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/10/2019 at 7:17 AM, glegolo said: Guys you are fantastic in finding facts, thank you so much for your help. Best to you all glegolo Did your wife mention flying the buddhist flag? One wall in our living room has pictures of the late king, the queen, the current king and the beloved princess, all are at slightly different heights. Also a small Thai flag and a buddhist flag, the Thai national flag is very slightly higher than the buddhist flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Why can’t you be like the rest of the Sweds and just have the flag sticker on the back of your car?.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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