Pentagon sets limits on transgender troops

[webfact]

Pentagon sets limits on transgender troops

 

FILE PHOTO: Aerial view of the United States military headquarters, the Pentagon, September 28, 2008. REUTERS/Jason Reed

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Defence Department signed a memo on Tuesday that would enforce limitations on transgender people serving in the military, a policy that has been the subject of court challenges.

 

The policy will take effect on April 12 and will bar most transgender individuals from serving if they require hormone treatments or transition surgery.

The memo, signed by David Norquist, currently the No. 2 official at the Pentagon, will allow service secretaries to issue waivers on a case-by-case basis.

 

President Donald Trump announced in July 2017 a ban on transgender people serving in the military. He later accepted Pentagon recommendations to limit the ban to individuals with a history of gender dysphoria, defined as "those who may require substantial medical treatment," and allowing some exceptions.

 

A series of court challenges had put the policy on hold. But the U.S. Supreme Court in January lifted lower-court rulings that had blocked the policy, allowing it to go into effect.

 

Trump's decision to bar many transgender troops reversed a landmark 2016 policy of his Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama, to let transgender people for the first time serve openly in the armed forces and receive medical care to transition genders.

 

Trump cited military focus and medical costs for rolling back the policy.

 

A 2016 Pentagon-commissioned study found that any impact on cost or military readiness from having transgender troops would be marginal. It estimated there were around 2,450 transgender troops at the time.

 

Advocates for transgender people criticized the Trump policy. "The Trump administration is determined to bring back 'don’t ask, don't tell,' a policy that forced service members to choose between serving their country and telling the truth about who they were," Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center LGBT-rights think tank, said in a statement.

 

(Reporting by Eric Beech and Idrees Ali; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-13

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In the meantime rates of combat-related friendly fire are expected to rise.

[Puchaiyank]

What other country enlists a male recruit named Jack Smith...and discharges a female named Angel Paradise...is this a great country or what?

 

I shudder to think what would happen if the US was attacked on its on soil...maybe we should issue a pink surrender flag with "welcome" written in bold block print...

 

 

Edited March 13, 2019 by Puchaiyank

[Lupatria]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Pentagon sets limits on transgender troops

...they had to. It's to avoid their next dirty little war turns into a musical.

[car720]

I agree with this totally.  

Send them all to the front line.  

[Tchooptip]

"Pentagon sets limits on transgender troops"

Understandable, imagine a full battalion of transgenders 

[Jingthing]

45 pushed this discriminatory change to please his anti LGBT evangelical base and also because Obama was responsible for the liberalization so its one more thing from Obama that he can crush.

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[Jingthing]

The largest layoff of transgender people in history. American voters, the vast majority which support fairness to LGBT people, won't forget this horrible injustice.

 

Quote

Military Officially Moves to Bar Over 13,700 Transgender Members

https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2019/3/12/military-officially-moves-bar-over-13700-transgender-members

[emptypockets]

She's got medals.  David Bowie.  Great song.

[DrTuner]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

American voters, the vast majority which support fairness to LGBT people, won't forget this horrible injustice.

I'd say the average half life of these injustice outrages is about 7 seconds. Forgotten by the time they get to the next twitter feed.

[beautifulthailand99]

Thailand is ahead of the US on this if you've still got the sausage then you have to serve (barring a brown envelope to the right folk, of course , TIT), ladyboy or not. That said the Thai military has always been closet gay-friendly from the top down or bottom up so to speak. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Anyone who volunteers to serve in the military.

 

Huge respect right there.

 

Respect that has zero to do with anything else than their willingness to serve.

 

#Respect Those Who Serve.

Edited March 13, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[AlexRich]

Nothing new here. I'm afraid us Scots have been "Devils in Skirts" for centuries:

 

 

[Ulic]

Not PC but it seems fair middle ground to me. You can serve as long as you don't require hormone therapy or transition surgery. Of course, compromise means nobody is 100% happy. There are those that want all LGBTQ__ out of the military and those that want everyone who wants to join, in the military.

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, Ulic said:

Not PC but it seems fair middle ground to me. You can serve as long as you don't require hormone therapy or transition surgery. Of course, compromise means nobody is 100% happy. There are those that want all LGBTQ__ out of the military and those that want everyone who wants to join, in the military.

No.

This isn't compromise.

This isn't middle ground. 

13,700 will be discharged.

1,300 will stay.

It's harmful irrational discrimination of the most vile kind.

45 didn't order this based on principle. He ordered it to feed red meat to his core base. Trashing the careers of volunteer patriots from a man that we now know for certain faked "bone spurs" to dodge military service. He has no shame.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2019 by Jingthing

[Kelsall]

A very reasonable approach by our President and Commander in chief, Donald J. Trump.

Edited March 13, 2019 by Kelsall

[lvr181]

9 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Nothing new here. I'm afraid us Scots have been "Devils in Skirts" for centuries:

 

 

Yup - you lifted them up and the enemy ran away fearing those unknown "creatures"!  ????    ???? ???????? 

[johnnykak]

i heard putin sent in a ladyboy for trump and got it on tape- fake news? who knows lol.

[Lucius verus]

Most American soldiers don't know If they're male or female, black or white  Hispanic or Latino. 

Transgender soldiers are simply a natural progression.

US army has a few maternity hospitals  on military

bases where pregnant soldiers give birth to Universal Soldiers.

Edited March 14, 2019 by Lucius verus

[CharlieH]

A number of inflammatory remarks and responses have been removed.

[Berkshire]

22 hours ago, Tchooptip said:

"Pentagon sets limits on transgender troops"

Understandable, imagine a full battalion of transgenders 

Well I've imagined it and don't see what the problem is.  At least they're willing to serve.  Unlike "Cadet Bone Spurs." 

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Well I've imagined it and don't see what the problem is.  At least they're willing to serve.  Unlike "Cadet Bone Spurs." 

Neither did the pentagon before they were ordered to take this brutal move by their draft dodging boss. 

I actually think this is a potent political issue for 2020. 

Most of the transgender troops will be fired.

Some of them are remarkable patriots.

I would like to see them campaign against the clown demagogue that fired them. 

Perhaps call it the Bone Spurs tour. 

I really think the majority of Americans get how unfair this is. 

[beautifulthailand99]

10 hours ago, Kelsall said:

A very reasonable approach by our President and Commander in chief, Donald J. Trump.

A clever man indeed draft dodged because of a gammy foot...bone spurs apparently he isn't fit to lick the boots of the lowest ranking soldier who served with pride. It is a national tragedy so many so-called US patriots continue to give this narcissistic charlatan their support who had the shameless audacity to deride and belittle the Late Senator McCain's heroic service to his country. 

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/12/donald-trump-draft-dodging-doctor-report

[Nyezhov]

10 hours ago, Kelsall said:

A very reasonable approach by our President and Commander in chief, Donald J. Trump.

Agreed. The military isnt place for social experimentation and personnel policies based on radical views of what transgenderism is.

[ivor bigun]

So if your a ladyboy,ehat uniform do you wear and if you have a man sausage do you sleep with the female soldiers? And in case of a war what prison camp and toilets do you use if taken prisoner,so many problems sweetie

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[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A clever man indeed draft dodged because of a gammy foot...bone spurs apparently he isn't fit to lick the boots of the lowest ranking soldier who served with pride. It is a national tragedy so many so-called US patriots continue to give this narcissistic charlatan their support who had the shameless audacity to deride and belittle the Late Senator McCain's heroic service to his country. 

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/12/donald-trump-draft-dodging-doctor-report

Well said. My thoughts exactly. A snivelling coward, charlatan, conman, liar ... the sooner he’s in jail the better.

[Jingthing]

So if your a ladyboy,ehat uniform do you wear and if you have a man sausage do you sleep with the female soldiers? And in case of a war what prison camp and toilets do you use if taken prisoner,so many problems sweetie

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Sweetie?

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[nausea]

Oh, I don't know; if transgenders are joining cos they're patriots, who can argue with that; if they're joining cos they'll get their medical costs paid, not so good. Anyway, I can see why the military is doing it - dire recruitment from the general population and the nature of warfare has changed - a trangender, or a woman, can work a drone as good as the next man, or fill an administrative post The days when your ideal recruit was a young, healthy, heterosexual man straight from the farm are long past. Of course, you'll always need front-line troops who can take ground and special ops, best direct those few suitable recruits you get into this area, and leave the rest in back-up positions. It does beg the question, though, why are people so loathe to join the military. It's something about the perceived culture. I know, as a young man, I was as fit as f@#k, and made some tentative gestures, like getting a red beret in the TA. Between the ages of 18 and 23 I would've loved this, being paid to run around and travel. But something turned me off and made me go a different route. IMHO they need to address this deep issue.

[Jingthing]

Oh, I don't know; if transgenders are joining cos they're patriots, who can argue with that; if they're joining cos they'll get their medical costs paid, not so good. Anyway, I can see why the military is doing it - dire recruitment from the general population and the nature of warfare has changed - a trangender, or a woman, can work a drone as good as the next man, or fill an administrative post The days when your ideal recruit was a young, healthy, heterosexual man straight from the farm are long past. Of course, you'll always need front-line troops who can take ground and special ops, best direct those few suitable recruits you get into this area, and leave the rest in back-up positions. It does beg the question, though, why are people so loathe to join the military. It's something about the perceived culture. I know, as a young man, I was as fit as f@#k, and made some tentative gestures, like getting a red beret in the TA. Between the ages of 18 and 23 I would've loved this, being paid to run around and travel. But something turned me off and made me go a different route. IMHO they need to address this deep issue.

You seem to be suggesting LGBT people can't be combat troops. Incorrect.

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[usviphotography]

1 hour ago, nausea said:

It does beg the question, though, why are people so loathe to join the military. It's something about the perceived culture. I know, as a young man, I was as fit as f@#k, and made some tentative gestures, like getting a red beret in the TA. Between the ages of 18 and 23 I would've loved this, being paid to run around and travel. But something turned me off and made me go a different route. IMHO they need to address this deep issue.

 

Likelihood of dying or having your prick or limbs blown off in some shit hole country for a war that has nothing to do with your own country probably has a lot to do with it. USA has a million plus man army, which is ridiculous. The problem is not recruitment but rather the sheer size of the thing. Germans proved in the 1930's what could be done with a 100,000 man army base that you can scale when necessary. Cut the size of the standing army by a tenth (or at the very least, half) and you don't have to worry about accepting ladyboys or ex-cons.