54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Nailed it.... Thats exactly as it is...  and pretty much as it is in the majority of accidents we see over here where there is usually two parties at fault, or at least two parties which did not drive or ride defensively and avoid an accident. 

Two parties at fault? I sometimes see 3-5 faults, then usually near misses, like I tell my wife, 97% of the time they may think they are OK, so no big deal.....but I am more worried about 3% of the time that they barely make it when doing something stupid, I don't think Thai's even have this thought in their brain. I'm not sure what is wrong with these people, but its a National problem, lack of common sense, or just a mental disorder, who knows.

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

Yes, I would like to know the pick-up's speed prior to braking. It could be edifying.

Scooter??????

1 hour ago, cranki said:

I'm amazed your not dead already.....you are on a scooter on a "highway" who obviously can't stay ahead of traffic coming in the second lane, then insist on going into the far right lane where the cars are driving even faster well before you want to uturn ???I doubt very much you are an experienced biker.

 

Scooter????

9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Scooter??????

??????? You talking to me?

1 hour ago, cranki said:

I'm amazed your not dead already.....you are on a scooter on a "highway" who obviously can't stay ahead of traffic coming in the second lane, then insist on going into the far right lane where the cars are driving even faster well before you want to uturn ???I doubt very much you are an experienced biker.

 

What a load of nonsense, you just haven't a clue, have you?

 I think there has been a mixup somewhere. It was meant for Cranki,

10 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

??????? You talking to me?

No, it was for cranki, I don't know what happened.

Edited April 1, 20197 yr by possum1931

1 hour ago, cranki said:

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

I am an experienced motor cyclist who does regular road trips, Although I stick to the left lane most of the time there is no way I will be doing that if I see parked vehicles ahead of me. No vehicle on the second lane is going to slow down and let me pull out.

I don't care what any police or Thai "highway code" says, if I want to do a U turn or right hand turn ahead of me, I will be out in the far lane in plenty of time, and to hell with the left lane.

I'm amazed your not dead already.....you are on a scooter on a "highway" who obviously can't stay ahead of traffic coming in the second lane, then insist on going into the far right lane where the cars are driving even faster well before you want to uturn ???I doubt very much you are an experienced biker.

 

You are discussing two different things...  

 

Possum was discussion moving across lanes for a U-Turn... and experience ride would do the same and get into the right most lane with plenty of time, in doing so he would be keeping up with and 'slotting in' with the speed of traffic in each lane.

 

Scooters are a little different - but most can still keep up with the speed of traffic and if they can't, a different approach has to be taken. i.e. remaining left and only moving across the traffic for a U-Turn when the road is 100% clear. 

 

This motorcycle changed lanes and maintained a slow speed - not a very safe thing to do, especially with careless idiots who refused to slow or make adjustments for your presence. 

 

 

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

This motorcycle changed lanes and maintained a slow speed - not a very safe thing to do, especially with careless idiots who refused to slow or make adjustments for your presence. 

Yup, poor training (if any), and even more reckless decision. The slower speed was really the cause here, he should have never entered that lane at such a slow speed, especially with traffic approaching. I don't see a head check, nor a blinker either, just bad on all levels. The truck driver was also speeding with what looks like a reckless high-speed undertaking maneuver.....enough bad decisions all around, and eventually viola....accident!

Accelerating that scooter quickly would have used too much gasoline.  Then he would have to use the brakes to slow down.  Or maybe the scooter was just worn out. 

Once again the pick up coming from behind was driving way too fast.  Whilst the motorbike made the mistake, the other driver is driving without due care and attention.

9 hours ago, shady86 said:

Good lesson for the motorbikes here, they should stick to left lanes or lose their lives.

errr, no, but all trafficants should give way to

those already in the lane,

cars dont automatically have any more right to the rightmost lane then bikes

2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

9 hours ago, shady86 said:

Good lesson for the motorbikes here, they should stick to left lanes or lose their lives.

errr, no, but all trafficants should give way to

those already in the lane,

cars dont automatically have any more right to the rightmost lane then bikes

Agreed on both parts... as always intelligent balance is required and when not exercised the consequences can be tragic. 

 

- Motorbikes or slower vehicles should stick to the left lanes so that others can pass them freely. Especially in Thailand when, as the video shows, others will mow you down.

- Cars don't automatically have the right to the right most lane than bikes (when over taking), but a bike is placing themselves in a position of significantly greater risk if riding in the outside lane at less speed than the traffic is flowing. 

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Once again the pick up coming from behind was driving way too fast.  Whilst the motorbike made the mistake, the other driver is driving without due care and attention.

The main problems I saw from many accidents in Thailand involved excessive speeding by pickup trucks which were hard to maneuver at high speed and clueless motorbike riders. Speed kills. Never a truer word said. 

15 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Actually you can reduce the chance of being hit from behind very considerably. (30 years of motorcycling)

I am not referring to this case as the video won't open for me.

 

How to greatly reduce the chance of being hit from behind.

 

1. Use your mirrors to see what is behind you constantly.

2. Maintain your space bubble.

3. Don't stay in a lane where your speed is less than the norm if there is an alternative.

4. If you see a vehicle too close behind you or approaching too quickly, accelerate out of the danger zone by changing lanes or getting in front of the vehicle ahead of you if possible or letting the vehicle behind you get past.

5. Always do a check over your shoulder when turning left or right, changing lanes, coming to a stop or pulling off.

6. At red traffic lights and stop signs be particularly aware of what is coming up behind you and position your motorbike where you are less likely to be hit and can escape forwards if necessary.

7. Always use your indicators.

8. When using U-turns be particularly aware of the speed of vehicles in the lane you are leaving or joining. Decelerate and accelerate hard when necessary to minimise the time spent at too slow a speed in too fast a lane.

 

You can never reduce the risk of being hit from behind to zero, but you can greatly reduce it with experience and thoughtful driving.

I agree, but re. point 1 - as a scooter rider it's difficult to find the right balance between constantly checking what is coming up behind, and keeping a full look out on the road ahead for the many possible dangers ahead.

 

Even though I'm continually looking in my mirrors, frequently I'm still taken by suprise by a vehicle (either 2 or 4 wheeled) that suddenly appears from behind me as they're travelling SO fast!

 

My 'pet' hate is 4 wheeled vehicles cutting into 'my' lane right next to me to undertake a slower moving vehicle in the right hand lane....

 

Re. point 5 - agree, but very occasionally something happens so quickly ahead that there's not time to look over one's shoulder....  Why haven't mirrors been designed without the 'blind spot' that necessitates looking over one's shoulder???!

oh come on!

you are all quick the judge the motorcyclist.

but none of you see the fact that truck is <deleted> ing coming so fast???

also rider might be doing a u turn and he slowly crosses the lane and not cutting anyone too!

driver is totally wrong here and needs to be jailed.

errr, no, but all trafficants should give way to
those already in the lane,
cars dont automatically have any more right to the rightmost lane then bikes

Bikes are welcomed to use the right lane if they are up to speed, else i dont have any pity for those being hit from behind. Either stick to left lanes or middle of two lanes, dont block cars. For bike riders, just use left lanes and look for incoming cars before changing lanes.

On 4/1/2019 at 6:00 AM, MaxYakov said:

I'm disturbed by the graphic image smoke from the pickup's tires. It means the surface is probably liquified from the frictional heat of brake-lockup and have lost the ability to stop or even slow the pickup..

Its called driving  too fast

22 hours ago, marquis22 said:

At least they were wearing helmets.....

Although at least one wasn't strapped on, typical

1 hour ago, Galactus said:

oh come on!

you are all quick the judge the motorcyclist.

but none of you see the fact that truck is <deleted> ing coming so fast???

also rider might be doing a u turn and he slowly crosses the lane and not cutting anyone too!

driver is totally wrong here and needs to be jailed.

You are trying for the weekly comedy prize? 

You are trying for the weekly comedy prize? 

No i m not. But are you trying for the weekly 'most ignorant' prize?

Clearly you have no idea about some very basic and common traffic rules.
Rules are clear. ''If you go rear end another vehicle, you are totally wrong''. This same rule is used everywhere on earth in all countries!
In this video, moron truck driver most probably didnt see the rider or didnt arrange his 'following distance' well enough and also he was coming fast.
I hope you are not operating a vehicle as i feel like you are not fit to do that.

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Bikes are welcomed to use the right lane if they are up to speed, else i dont have any pity for those being hit from behind. Either stick to left lanes or middle of two lanes, dont block cars. For bike riders, just use left lanes and look for incoming cars before changing lanes.

What about a u turn?? When you need to do a u turn, you need to go to the fast lane. Sorry, you have no idea either.

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9 minutes ago, Galactus said:

No i m not. But are you trying for the weekly 'most ignorant' prize?

Clearly you have no idea about some very basic and common traffic rules.
Rules are clear. ''If you go rear end another vehicle, you are totally wrong''. This same rule is used everywhere on earth in all countries!
In this video, moron truck driver most probably didnt see the rider or didnt arrange his 'following distance' well enough and also he was coming fast.
I hope you are not operating a vehicle as i feel like you are not fit to do that.

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No second prize for you. 

What was the speed of the pickup. 

What uturn, nothing shown within the immediate area on the video. 

The bike crossed into the lane in which there was a pickup, nothing to do with following distance. 

The pickup stopped in a fairly short distance after realising there was a bike crossing into his lane as did the vehicle with the camera. 

Easy to see speed wasn't the cause. 

And as for me being capable or fit to drive - you have absolutely no reference to judge that. 

 

2 hours ago, Galactus said:

What about a u turn?? When you need to do a u turn, you need to go to the fast lane. Sorry, you have no idea either.

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Look for vehicles coming from behind before moving to fast lane. You don't change lanes without looking whats coming from behind don't you? Else dont move to fast lane when your bike cant even reach 80km/h.

10 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Re. point 5 - agree, but very occasionally something happens so quickly ahead that there's not time to look over one's shoulder....  Why haven't mirrors been designed without the 'blind spot' that necessitates looking over one's shoulder???!

 

For this reason alone I'm liking the idea of the new 360°  vision Helmets with rear view cameras on an HUD...

 

Such as Skully Fenix https://www.skully.com/shop/skully-fenix-ar (a bit pricey at US$1899 though)

 

https://www.crosshelmet.com

 

https://www.jarvish.com

 

https://www.ichelmets.com

 

No second prize for you. 
What was the speed of the pickup. 
What uturn, nothing shown within the immediate area on the video. 
The bike crossed into the lane in which there was a pickup, nothing to do with following distance. 
The pickup stopped in a fairly short distance after realising there was a bike crossing into his lane as did the vehicle with the camera. 
Easy to see speed wasn't the cause. 
And as for me being capable or fit to drive - you have absolutely no reference to judge that. 
 

Dont waste time on keyboard warriors who doesn't know how to drive :)

3 hours ago, Artisi said:

No second prize for you. 

What was the speed of the pickup. 

What uturn, nothing shown within the immediate area on the video. 

The bike crossed into the lane in which there was a pickup, nothing to do with following distance. 

The pickup stopped in a fairly short distance after realising there was a bike crossing into his lane as did the vehicle with the camera. 

Easy to see speed wasn't the cause. 

And as for me being capable or fit to drive - you have absolutely no reference to judge that. 

 

 

Speed wasn't the cause??? what was all that tyre smoke from when the pickups brakes locked because it couldn't slow in time to avoid impact. 

 

The cause WAS speed... speed combined with the aggressive and poor decision making of the pickup driver when failing to interpret road conditions ahead of him. 

 

22 hours ago, possum1931 said:

What a load of nonsense, you just haven't a clue, have you?

Been riding bikes for 40 yrs (started very young) and there is no way I would do what you said on a small cc'd bike in Thailand mate...

2 minutes ago, cranki said:

Been riding bikes for 40 yrs (started very young) and there is no way I would do what you said on a small cc'd bike in Thailand mate...

Do I have the impression that you think I have a small cc'd bike? I have a Forza 300, if I need a burst off acceleration I have got it, though it's not very often I do need it.

16 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Do I have the impression that you think I have a small cc'd bike? I have a Forza 300, if I need a burst off acceleration I have got it, though it's not very often I do need it.

Sigh....have a look at the original post....then your reply....you said you'd go into the right lane and "bugger the left lane" (or something like that) so I "assumed you rode a scooter".....

The video is of a SCOOTER.....and you just confirmed that you indeed ride a scooter.... have a nice day ????