Whistleblower says Ivanka, Jared got security clearance over experts' advice

[KMartinHandyman]

The article title states “over experts advise”.
By definition advise is a suggestion and therefore I conclude it’s “up to Trump”.

[Rimmer]

Some off topic posts and replies removed

[elmrfudd]

12 hours ago, helpisgood said:

 

What problems of conflicts of interests could arise with Jared Kushner?

 

If you don't already know, Jared had bought a building in New York City at 666 Fifth Ave.  It turned out to not be such a promising move.  In order to buy the property, Jared needed to mortgage much of the property to the tune of about 1.3 or 1.4 billion USD, i.e., lots of money.  (I'd love to know how that mortgage got approved, but perhaps that's another topic.) 

 

The due date for repayment of the mortgage started to loom in the then near future.  As luck would have it, Jared found his investor to help with the huge mortgage, who just happened to have important ties to Qatar.

 

Jared also needed some financing of certain condos in Jersey City, USA.

 

Well, it all gets a little involved, so I'll provide a link below to an article that explains the details better than me. 

 

Here's part of it:

 

"Kushner did little to dispel the notion that he’d sell state secrets to the highest bidder to finance some condos in Jersey City by refusing to allow embassy staffers to sit in on his meeting last week with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who U.S. officials fear views Kushner as a ripe target for manipulation."  [Bold added.]

 

By the way, did not the Trump Administration want MBS and Saudi Arabia to get nuclear power plants?  What a coincidence!

 

Here's the news link for more and better details:

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/jared-kushner-666-5th-ave-qatar

 

 

 

 

 

vacuous blather

[elmrfudd]

7 hours ago, observer90210 said:

With absolutely no intent to finger point either Trump or the USA, plainly on a ethical approach, in many western nations, it would be inappropraite and politically incorrect for a person holding office to put their family members on taxpayer payroll.

they don't take salaries.

 

never saw a democrat do that, maybe it has happened.

 

have anything relevant?

[elmrfudd]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Running his mouth on matters of other nation’s intelligence information to Russians has consequences, not least for every other nation that shares intelligence information with the US.

 

It is inevitable that Trump’s actions spilling intelligence information ton Russia has created mistrust between the US and it’s most important allies.

 

Trump acting in plain sight as a lap dog to an adversary while undermining trust with allies.

 

 

blather

[bristolboy]

45 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

vacuous blather

 

37 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

blather

Brilliant rebuttals.

[bristolboy]

41 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

they don't take salaries.

 

never saw a democrat do that, maybe it has happened.

 

have anything relevant?

It's true that they don't take salaries. Of course, those salaries wouled be a pittance compared to the wealth they've acquired by their canniness at being born to wealthy parents. It used to be expected that such people would put their financial interests into a blind trust. Not the case with those 2.

[elmrfudd]

24 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's true that they don't take salaries. Of course, those salaries wouled be a pittance compared to the wealth they've acquired by their canniness at being born to wealthy parents. It used to be expected that such people would put their financial interests into a blind trust. Not the case with those 2.

have they enriched themselves in any way, or is this just more misguided irrational hatred?

 

and have any democrats ever declined salaries?

[elmrfudd]

30 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

 

Brilliant rebuttals.

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Running his mouth on matters of other nation’s intelligence information to Russians has consequences, not least for every other nation that shares intelligence information with the US.

 

It is inevitable that Trump’s actions spilling intelligence information ton Russia has created mistrust between the US and it’s most important allies.

 

Trump acting in plain sight as a lap dog to an adversary while undermining trust with allies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

when you spout vacuous nonsense about being a lap dog, what is there to rebut?

 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:
Running his mouth on matters of other nation’s intelligence information to Russians has consequences, not least for every other nation that shares intelligence information with the US.

 

It is inevitable that Trump’s actions spilling intelligence information ton Russia has created mistrust between the US and it’s most important allies.

 

Trump acting in plain sight as a lap dog to an adversary while undermining trust with allies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

when you spout vacuous nonsense about being a lap dog, what is there to rebut?

 

Erm..... 

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/16/washington-reels-from-bombshell-trump-leak/

[Thainesss]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Erm..... 

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/16/washington-reels-from-bombshell-trump-leak/

 

Lmao ONE former white house official says it COULD cause a "ripple effect" LOL 

 

"Washington reels" 

 

Good lord the clickbait. Its been 2 years since that article was published and were still truckin' along. 

[Redline]

15 hours ago, helpisgood said:

 

What problems of conflicts of interests could arise with Jared Kushner?

 

If you don't already know, Jared had bought a building in New York City at 666 Fifth Ave.  It turned out to not be such a promising move.  In order to buy the property, Jared needed to mortgage much of the property to the tune of about 1.3 or 1.4 billion USD, i.e., lots of money.  (I'd love to know how that mortgage got approved, but perhaps that's another topic.) 

 

The due date for repayment of the mortgage started to loom in the then near future.  As luck would have it, Jared found his investor to help with the huge mortgage, who just happened to have important ties to Qatar.

 

Jared also needed some financing of certain condos in Jersey City, USA.

 

Well, it all gets a little involved, so I'll provide a link below to an article that explains the details better than me. 

 

Here's part of it:

 

"Kushner did little to dispel the notion that he’d sell state secrets to the highest bidder to finance some condos in Jersey City by refusing to allow embassy staffers to sit in on his meeting last week with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who U.S. officials fear views Kushner as a ripe target for manipulation."  [Bold added.]

 

By the way, did not the Trump Administration want MBS and Saudi Arabia to get nuclear power plants?  What a coincidence!

 

Here's the news link for more and better details:

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/jared-kushner-666-5th-ave-qatar

 

 

 

 

 

It runs in both families ????

[White Christmas13]

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Yes.

I guess on TVF

[Redline]

14 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Nice smear against Jared and Ivanka suggesting they are druggies, is there no depth the anti-Trumpers will not sink to? I would say, if Trump trusts the 2 and wants them given security clearance then just give it to them. After all, Trump has just been proven correct at every turn against the so called "deep state" civil sector.

 But this reminds me, did not a recent President admit to using marijuana and cocaine, and yet he was given security clearance? Double standards are not the sign of a well running state agencies in my humblest opinion.

I rather have a president that could read, talk, and not be extremely weak and insecure.  Who cares what drugs they did before ????  Please give us some names of those in the deep state, and how long they have been deep-surely after this long, they cannot still  I’ll be hiding ????  Are they near earth’s core?

Edited April 2, 2019 by Redline

[observer90210]

3 hours ago, elmrfudd said:

they don't take salaries.

 

never saw a democrat do that, maybe it has happened.

 

have anything relevant?

anything more relevant ? well sorry, to please your request of relevant, I called the White House and asked but they hang up???? ... More seriously, even if no salary, obvious issues and public uproar can arise,  when a person holding a certain position in public office, appoints a close friend or family member. Maybe not in the USA ? ?.... but definately in many countries around the world.

 

Thank you for your time reading my post and for your comment.

Edited April 2, 2019 by observer90210

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, elmrfudd said:

have they enriched themselves in any way, or is this just more misguided irrational hatred?

 

and have any democrats ever declined salaries?

Trump certainly has.  In one blatant example, he doubled the admission fee to Mar-a-Lago shortly after the election, then announced it would be his "winter Whitehouse".  That alone more than compensated for the salary.

 

Regarding the rest of the family, we don't know with any certainty how they have been enriching themselves in office since they have not revealed their finances in detail  That definitely needs to be made illegal.

[Cryingdick]

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump’s troubles are just getting started.

 

 

 

I completely agree it is going to be a tumultuous second term.

[usviphotography]

14 hours ago, observer90210 said:

With absolutely no intent to finger point either Trump or the USA, plainly on a ethical approach, in many western nations, it would be inappropraite and politically incorrect for a person holding office to put their family members on taxpayer payroll.

Neither Jared nor Ivanka get paid, so they are not on the taxpayer payroll. The "clearance" issue is nonsense. That whole system exists to vet masses of otherwise unknown people in an objective and systematic way. Trump's children, or people he knows well, obviously don't need to go through that process, and since the process exists only as tool for President, it is for him and him alone to decide how much weight such reports should be given. Same thing with "confidential" information. The President is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not and who should be given access and who should not. If he thinks National Security concerns warrant sharing something with Russia, he can do it unilaterally any time he wants. The people entrusted that responsibility to him when they elected him President. 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, usviphotography said:

Neither Jared nor Ivanka get paid, so they are not on the taxpayer payroll. The "clearance" issue is nonsense. That whole system exists to vet masses of otherwise unknown people in an objective and systematic way. Trump's children, or people he knows well, obviously don't need to go through that process, and since the process exists only as tool for President, it is for him and him alone to decide how much weight such reports should be given. Same thing with "confidential" information. The President is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not and who should be given access and who should not. If he thinks National Security concerns warrant sharing something with Russia, he can do it unilaterally any time he wants. The people entrusted that responsibility to him when they elected him President. 

Still trolling I see; posting absolute nonsense as if it were factual

 

The security clearance system exists to ensure that competent liars don't get into a position to harm the US.  Given Trump's history of appointing dubious characters with shady past dealings with Russia, it is essential that it be used properly.

 

The habit of assuming a proper gentleman from a good family and good school was trustworthy led to many of the UK's biggest spy scandal.  Look into the background of fine people such as Guy Burgess, Kim Philby, and others were not wll vetted because they seemed to be so respectable.  https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-cold-war/spies-of-the-cold-war-era/

 

Legally the President may be the ultimate arbiter of what is classified, but if he is using that responsibility in a foolish, reckless manner the US people need to know and Congress needs to act.

 

Besides, Trump's son-in-law, who was given a security clearance against the advice of the experts, is Jewish.  I thought you didn't trust Jewish people.  Aren't they who you were referring to when you posted:

 

" a very small and select ethnic group that unfortunately happens to have a stranglehold on major media organs not just in America but throughout the West that harbors some kind of blood hatred of the Russian people.  "   https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1091389-mueller-report-finds-no-evidence-that-trump-campaign-colluded-with-russia-us-justice-department/?do=findComment&comment=13994969

[Thainesss]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Besides, Trump's son-in-law, who was given a security clearance against the advice of the experts, is Jewish.  I thought you didn't trust Jewish people.  Aren't they who you were referring to when you posted:

 

" a very small and select ethnic group that unfortunately happens to have a stranglehold on major media organs not just in America but throughout the West that harbors some kind of blood hatred of the Russian people.  "   https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1091389-mueller-report-finds-no-evidence-that-trump-campaign-colluded-with-russia-us-justice-department/?do=findComment&comment=13994969

 

Wow ok so we can add stalking to heybruce's shameless bag of tricks. 

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Wow ok so we can add stalking to heybruce's shameless bag of tricks. 

Identifying a thinly veiled anti-Semitic post is stalking?  Please explain.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎4‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 5:09 AM, heybruce said:

Trump certainly has.  In one blatant example, he doubled the admission fee to Mar-a-Lago shortly after the election, then announced it would be his "winter Whitehouse".  That alone more than compensated for the salary.

 

Regarding the rest of the family, we don't know with any certainty how they have been enriching themselves in office since they have not revealed their finances in detail  That definitely needs to be made illegal.

If people want to pay to go to Mar-a-Lago that is their business, not anyone elses. No one is forcing them to go there.

 

In the world of the anti Trumpers, he and his family just have to be doing something wrong, without any evidence.

Boring after 2 years of it, with nothing to show.

[xylophone]

44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Boring after 2 years of it

Boring?? Far from it as it's been a bit of a rollercoaster and something new is always in the offing to add to those that we already know about – – –

 

– Pussy grabbing

– Constant lying

– Recycled constant lying

– Knowing more about everything than anyone else does (a great video clip that one)

– Paying off a stripper to gain her silence for his affair

– Hiring and firing "only the best people"

– Being made to look a fool by Kim Jong-un

– Increasing tariffs on Chinese goods which has hurt his very own base

– Not understanding the difference between drugs that are smuggled into the country via the main routes/roads versus those which are smuggled in via tunnels etc

– Being a climate change denier when he really doesn't understand anything about it at all

– Souring relationships with the European Community

– Supporting the Saudi Arabian Prince after the Khashoggi murder

– Stating that there were some "nice people" in a white supremacist gathering

 

Probably so many more out there, but I've got other things to do and as for those who believe that this orange clown's tenure has been boring, well there's probably a lot more to come................

 

PS. Forgot to add this cracker: Donald Trump claims his father was born in Germany……….

 

Of all the odd, counterfactual and conspiratorial claims President Donald Trump has made over the past four years or so, this one may take the cake: He said Tuesday that his father was born in Germany, even though he wasn't.

 

It is at least the third time he has said this.

 

"My father is German - was German," Trump said. "Born in a very wonderful place in Germany, so I have a great feeling for Germany."

 

He needs to see a psychiatrist and pretty quickly too!!

Edited April 4, 2019 by xylophone

[mtls2005]

On 4/3/2019 at 1:26 AM, usviphotography said:

The President is the ultimate arbiter of what is classified and what is not and who should be given access and who should not.

 

So why even start the process? Why have Jared re-submit his forms 40+ times? Why over-ride non-partisan bureaucrats? Why hide the fact that he ordered CoS Kelly to grant Jared a security clearance?

 

I mean just be open and honest about it. Unless...

[thaibeachlovers]

42 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Boring?? Far from it as it's been a bit of a rollercoaster and something new is always in the offing to add to those that we already know about – – –

 

– Pussy grabbing

– Constant lying

– Recycled constant lying

– Knowing more about everything than anyone else does (a great video clip that one)

– Paying off a stripper to gain her silence for his affair

– Hiring and firing "only the best people"

– Being made to look a fool by Kim Jong-un

– Increasing tariffs on Chinese goods which has hurt his very own base

– Not understanding the difference between drugs that are smuggled into the country via the main routes/roads versus those which are smuggled in via tunnels etc

– Being a climate change denier when he really doesn't understand anything about it at all

– Souring relationships with the European Community

– Supporting the Saudi Arabian Prince after the Khashoggi murder

– Stating that there were some "nice people" in a white supremacist gathering

 

Probably so many more out there, but I've got other things to do and as for those who believe that this orange clown's tenure has been boring, well there's probably a lot more to come................

 

PS. Forgot to add this cracker: Donald Trump claims his father was born in Germany……….

 

Of all the odd, counterfactual and conspiratorial claims President Donald Trump has made over the past four years or so, this one may take the cake: He said Tuesday that his father was born in Germany, even though he wasn't.

 

It is at least the third time he has said this.

 

"My father is German - was German," Trump said. "Born in a very wonderful place in Germany, so I have a great feeling for Germany."

 

He needs to see a psychiatrist and pretty quickly too!!

Far from needing a psychiatrist, IMO he is genius at yanking his opponents' chains and probably has a jolly good laugh at the reactions. He might even have compilation tapes of all the best reactions, a bit like U Tube compilations of people crying after Trump got elected.

[zydeco]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far from needing a psychiatrist, IMO he is genius at yanking his opponents' chains and probably has a jolly good laugh at the reactions.

This constant trolling of more than half the country is a loser strategy for 2020. Or at least it should be. Trouble is the Democrats seem intent on putting up people with ideas that seem to have come from Stalin's and Mao's ultimate fantasies. Still, I remain amazed at how Prince Jared gets so little examination from the press, while his impotent and maldeveloped father-in-law allows him to run wild in the White House.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, zydeco said:

This constant trolling of more than half the country is a loser strategy for 2020. Or at least it should be. Trouble is the Democrats seem intent on putting up people with ideas that seem to have come from Stalin's and Mao's ultimate fantasies. Still, I remain amazed at how Prince Jared gets so little examination from the press, while his impotent and maldeveloped father-in-law allows him to run wild in the White House.

Certainly worth remembering that had the DNC not sabotaged Bernie, Trump would not be presently the president.

Bet there are more than a few ex DNC members crying themselves to sleep every night at that mistake.

[mtls2005]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO he is genius at yanking his opponents' chains and probably has a jolly good laugh at the reactions

 

Well, at least he's a "genius" at something? Assume he minored" in "yanking" at Penn?

 

Stable genius, of course.

 

Yanking someone's chain is just so, presidential.

 

 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO he is genius

He's that much of a genius, he doesn't even know where his father was born!! Go figure!

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Certainly worth remembering that had the DNC not sabotaged Bernie, Trump would not be presently the president.

Bet there are more than a few ex DNC members crying themselves to sleep every night at that mistake.

So you're saying that Trump and the Republicans' campaign against Socialism is a loser?