metisdead Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Some off topic deflection/baiting posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, elmrfudd said: actually, no that was never established. Russia has been interfering in elections for decades, they did not make Hillary lose or Trump win. get over it, but it seems you can't It was established. A meeting took place in trump tower between trump campaign and Russians, based on the promise the Russians had dirt on Hillary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, riclag said: Adm Rodgers was very helpful in the early stages of a very naive Trump admin https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-team-surveillance-obama-236410 Americans would understand the difference between the Trump campaign and the Trump administration. Do you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, bristolboy said: Americans would understand the difference between the Trump campaign and the Trump administration. Do you? He was there for both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 7 hours ago, riclag said: The same spying Mr, Trump talked about in 2017! The President of the United States ,the man who has access to it all! Many American's want Mr. Barr to see it all the way through ,look into Spying! The IG report will give better credence as to the need for a Special Prosecutor!(don't want to give the impression that Mr. Barr has a conflict of interest) https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/special_prosecutor To think of what some powerful people can do when they hate Yes, the same spying charges that were supported by no evidence in 2017 still have no evidence in 2019. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Kelsall said: Trump: Obama spied on me Barr: Obama spied on him Comey: We spied on him Rosenstein: I signed the paperwork to spy on him Clapper: We spied on him Obama: We spied on him to protect him MSM: No, Obama didn't spy on Trump, CONSPIRACY THEORY! BTW he's a Russian agent. Mueller: Nope. Provide links to support the BS above. Can't do it, can you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, elmrfudd said: actually, no that was never established. Russia has been interfering in elections for decades, they did not make Hillary lose or Trump win. get over it, but it seems you can't What has not been established? That Russia was meddling in our election? Your second sentence states that's true. That high ranking people in the Trump campaign had illegal dealings with them? The charges, guilty pleas and convictions prove that. That " Sufficient evidence for prosecution of an illegal conspiracy between the campaign and Russia was not found." I thought that was what Trump and his supporters were so excited about. What has not been established is that Russian meddling did not affect the outcome. That is unprovable. Get over it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, elmrfudd said: what verified evidence precisely? Let's start with something dear to the heart of posters on this topic. What verified evidence has been reported that shows the Trump campaign was spied upon? Or, to get back to your previous post, what verified evidence supports your claim that the Clinton's run a criminal enterprise? Edited April 11, 2019 by heybruce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, elmrfudd said: no, there was no illegal dealings with russians. names, dates, illegalities. spell it all out with verifiable evidence. who what when and corroborated factual evidence. Really? Why did General Flynn plead guilty of lying about illegal contacts with the Russian ambassador? Why did George Papadopoulos plead guilty about lying to the FBI in his attempts to establish contacts with Russians? Why is Paul Manafort serving time for illegal business dealings with Ukrainians linked to the Russian government? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/21/us/mueller-trump-charges.html There are also charges against Russian nationals that will never be prosecuted, but will limit the criminal activities of those charged. However if you want all of the details, you need to ask for the full Mueller report. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, riclag said: Adm Rodgers was very helpful in the early stages of a very naive Trump admin https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-team-surveillance-obama-236410 Your link explains how the conversations of Americans can be recorded if they are talking to hostile foreigners under surveillance by intelligence agencies. This is not the same as spying on the Americans, this is Americans keeping bad company. Is that why you posted the link? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Your link explains how the conversations of Americans can be recorded if they are talking to hostile foreigners under surveillance by intelligence agencies. This is not the same as spying on the Americans, this is Americans keeping bad company. Is that why you posted the link? The link was to show that Adm. Rodgers(NSA) exposed to Mr. Trump that his building was under surveillance,being spied on,bugged and other surveillance through those suspected times. How did Barr say it to Sen Schatz, "unauthorized surveillance, is that more appropriate in your mind"! He wants to examine all of it. Edited April 11, 2019 by riclag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Yes, the same spying charges that were supported by no evidence in 2017 still have no evidence in 2019. Give it time ! The key obstacle (mueller probe ) has just been concluded. Now according to Mr. Barr and Senator Graham they are going to proceed to pull together all the investigations and determine what steps to take 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, riclag said: The link was to show that Adm. Rodgers(NSA) exposed to Mr. Trump that his building was under surveillance,being spied on,bugged and other surveillance through those suspected times. How did Barr say it to Sen Schatz, "unauthorized surveillance, is that more appropriate in your mind"! He wants to examine all of it. In addition to no evidence of spying, Barr also had no evidence of unauthorized surveillance. 5 minutes ago, riclag said: Give it time ! The key obstacle (mueller probe ) has just been concluded. Now according to Mr. Barr and Senator Graham they are going to proceed to pull together all the investigations and determine what steps to take How was the Mueller probe an obstacle to investigating the spying speculation? Shouldn't those who believe Trump, the habitual liar, when he claims there is spying "Give it time" and wait for evidence of spying? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 54 minutes ago, heybruce said: In addition to no evidence of spying, Barr also had no evidence of unauthorized surveillance. How was the Mueller probe an obstacle to investigating the spying speculation? Shouldn't those who believe Trump, the habitual liar, when he claims there is spying "Give it time" and wait for evidence of spying? Seems I have a choice, believing you or the POTUS, I'll stick with the guy who has access to it all, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, riclag said: Seems I have a choice, believing you or the POTUS, I'll stick with the guy who has access to it all, thanks Given his track record, that is a very poor choice. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 47 minutes ago, riclag said: Seems I have a choice, believing you or the POTUS, I'll stick with the guy who has access to it all, thanks You need to use the information Donald prefers Fox News buzz feed and Putin over the cia fbi ect ect the dud is a corrupt clown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamb00ler Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, riclag said: Seems I have a choice, believing you or the POTUS, I'll stick with the guy who has access to it all, thanks There must be some idea that you hold so near and dear that allows you to overlook the long and winding trail of deceit by your orange painted hero. The first step to wellness is to look deep inside and identify what it is. 1 hour ago, heybruce said: Given his track record, that is a very poor choice. For riclag's benefit here is a link to a list of the most relevant Trump untruths: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ Edited April 11, 2019 by gamb00ler 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmrfudd Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 10 hours ago, stevenl said: It was established. A meeting took place in trump tower between trump campaign and Russians, based on the promise the Russians had dirt on Hillary. again, nothing illegal in anyway. What it does look like is an attempted setup, time will tell. As I asked before, give details of illegal activity. precise details, not opinions, precise illegalities that you are claiming. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmrfudd Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 6 hours ago, heybruce said: What has not been established? That Russia was meddling in our election? Your second sentence states that's true. That high ranking people in the Trump campaign had illegal dealings with them? The charges, guilty pleas and convictions prove that. That " Sufficient evidence for prosecution of an illegal conspiracy between the campaign and Russia was not found." I thought that was what Trump and his supporters were so excited about. What has not been established is that Russian meddling did not affect the outcome. That is unprovable. Get over it. actually Russian meddling did not affect the election results, you can't provide any evidence of that, and yet you can't let it go. get over it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Elmer you are nonsense but good for a chuckle are you trying out for a job with trump lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 56 minutes ago, elmrfudd said: actually Russian meddling did not affect the election results, you can't provide any evidence of that, and yet you can't let it go. get over it. I maintain that it may have affected the outcome. You maintain that it absolutely didn't. You can not prove that it did not affect the outcome. A firm belief one way or the other about something that is unprovable is a sign someone is delusional. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post elmrfudd Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, heybruce said: I was replying to your claim " no, there was no illegal dealings with russians" The crimes I listed were illegal activities directly with Russian or Russian agents. The FBI agents who interviewed Flynn believed he wasn't lying, yet he plead guilty to lying to the FBI. Do you think it's not lying if Flynn did it really convincingly? If you do, you are really delusional. you have to do better than this lame deflection Bruce. the hoax is exposed. get ready to deal with it when the details are released. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kelsall Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) It's all over but the crying, and there's going to be plenty of that. They indicted Obama's former attorney yesterday as a result of the Mueller probe. Who do you think he's going to cough up when they squeeze him? Comey and Ted Lieu admit the spying was "authorized surveillance" which means they admit it was a coup, not a counter intel operation. They never told Trump he was under surveillance and was a target of Russia which is what they would have done if it had been a counter intel operation. All this is on the public record now and there is no escaping it. The haters need to get ready to deal with it as elmerfudd says. There's a new sheriff in town, William Barr, and he says, "If you cross the line, your nuts are mine." (Apologies to the movie Starsky and Hutch) Edited April 11, 2019 by Kelsall 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, elmrfudd said: you have to do better than this lame deflection Bruce. the hoax is exposed. get ready to deal with it when the details are released. In other words, my post was accurate and you can't refute it. I eagerly await the results of investigating the investigators. Although I'm still waiting for Trump to identify the millions of illegal votes for Hillary. We'll probably get your proof of spying after the illegal voters are identified. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kelsall said: It's all over but the crying, and there's going to be plenty of that. They indicted Obama's former attorney yesterday as a result of the Mueller probe. Who do you think he's going to cough up when they squeeze him? Comey and Ted Lieu admit the spying was "authorized surveillance" which means they admit it was a coup, not a counter intel operation. They never told Trump he was under surveillance and was a target of Russia which is what they would have done if it had been a counter intel operation. All this is on the public record now and there is no escaping it. The haters need to get ready to deal with it as elmerfudd says. There's a new sheriff in town, William Barr, and he says, "If you cross the line, your nuts are mine." (Apologies to the movie Starsky and Hutch) Authorized surveillance is legal, not a coup. Obama's former attorney has been charged with things completely unrelated to Obama. Covert investigations are kept covert. The public record shows nothing illegal or improper was done. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post elmrfudd Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 minute ago, heybruce said: In other words, my post was accurate and you can't refute it. I eagerly await the results of investigating the investigators. Although I'm still waiting for Trump to identify the millions of illegal votes for Hillary. We'll probably get your proof of spying after the illegal voters are identified. you can believe anything to feed the narrative bruce, please keep the faith as long as you can. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, heybruce said: I maintain that it may have affected the outcome. You maintain that it absolutely didn't. You can not prove that it did not affect the outcome. A firm belief one way or the other about something that is unprovable is a sign someone is delusional. 2 minutes ago, elmrfudd said: you need to believe this tripe to feed your narrative, that much is clear, and is truly delusional No rational person would argue with my statement. The fact that you do argue with it tells us much about you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, elmrfudd said: again, nothing illegal in anyway. What it does look like is an attempted setup, time will tell. As I asked before, give details of illegal activity. precise details, not opinions, precise illegalities that you are claiming. No, you did not ask that before. My answer was to your statement: 'there were no contacts', so you were lying. Attempted setup, get real. They thought to score cheaply. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmrfudd Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, stevenl said: No, you did not ask that before. My answer was to your statement: 'there were no contacts', so you were lying. Attempted setup, get real. They thought to score cheaply. you can do better than this, can't you? can you show that this "meeting" was initiated by anyone in the Trump org? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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