Fight begins over Trump's taxes, lawyer slams Democrats' request

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many Presidential and Government official privileges  must be addressed in 2024

Not midstream during a current administration,its not ethical

‘Ethical’ you say.

 

Irony lives.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

Nonsense, always a Citizen first, President second! IRS can't touch him,its all hatred and politics

You act like being President is just a hobby with no serious responsibilities.  In fairness, that's how Trump treats the job. 

 

The IRS isn't demanding the tax returns, Congress is.  It's clear I will have to post this many times:

 

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Tax-ation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any re-turn or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.   https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/pdf/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleF-chap61-subchapB-sec6103.pdf

 

2 hours ago, riclag said:

In the tea pot they had a scandal or reason to exercise over sight

 As POTUS Mr. Trump doesn't have to show his taxes 

Congresstional Dem oversight  blew their reason (no collution, No russian interference 

Russian interference has been proven, and Trump's tax returns weren't demanded as part of an ongoing collusion investigation.  As noted, Trump is under investigation for many things.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 

lol I don't know how my name appeared in that quote from HB 

And I don't know what you are referring to.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 talking about a established precedent ,Mr. Trump was given a  suggestion,not demanded to divest ! There are no laws for a POTUS to adhere to precedent in business divestiture in fact the appearance of conflict of interest might come to the fore front,the POTUS isn't required by law to steer clear of C of I. 

 

Yes, the assumption was no candidate would be so shady as to defy the convention, and voters would not be so stupid as to vote for a candidate that defied the convention.  Now that both assumptions have been proven wrong, it is time to make financial transparency and divestment a law.  Until then, Congress can use existing law to investigate.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Many Presidential and Government official privileges  must be addressed in 2024

Not midstream during a current administration,its not ethical

You think it's not ethical to address problems as soon as they are identified?

[riclag]

17 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You act like being President is just a hobby with no serious responsibilities.  In fairness, that's how Trump treats the job. 

 

The IRS isn't demanding the tax returns, Congress is.  It's clear I will have to post this many times:

 

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Tax-ation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any re-turn or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.   https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/pdf/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleF-chap61-subchapB-sec6103.pdf

 

Russian interference has been proven, and Trump's tax returns weren't demanded as part of an ongoing collusion investigation.  As noted, Trump is under investigation for many things.

And I don't know what you are referring to.

Yes, the assumption was no candidate would be so shady as to defy the convention, and voters would not be so stupid as to vote for a candidate that defied the convention.  Now that both assumptions have been proven wrong, it is time to make financial transparency and divestment a law.  Until then, Congress can use existing law to investigate.

You think it's not ethical to address problems as soon as they are identified?

Not when its political harassment! Besides the people(electoral election), elected a President knowing that he  wouldn't volunteer his taxes

“The Democrats are demanding that the IRS turn over the documents, and that is not going to happen, and they know it. This is a political stunt by my former colleagues,” said Mulvaney, a former South Carolina congressman and White House budget chief.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, riclag said:

Not when its political harassment! Besides the people(electoral election), elected a President knowing that he  wouldn't volunteer his taxes

“The Democrats are demanding that the IRS turn over the documents, and that is not going to happen, and they know it. This is a political stunt by my former colleagues,” said Mulvaney, a former South Carolina congressman and White House budget chief.

Knowing he wouldn't volunteer his taxes? From the man that said time after time he'd love to disclose his tax returns.

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, riclag said:

Not when its political harassment! Besides the people(electoral election), elected a President knowing that he  wouldn't volunteer his taxes

“The Democrats are demanding that the IRS turn over the documents, and that is not going to happen, and they know it. This is a political stunt by my former colleagues,” said Mulvaney, a former South Carolina congressman and White House budget chief.

Abiding by the law is not something you "volunteer" to do.  Congress has the legal right to demand the IRS deliver the tax returns.

[Inn Between]

On 4/6/2019 at 8:11 AM, bristolboy said:

What Trump is most likely afraid of revealing is how little tax he has paid in relation to his income.  

Oh dear, are you saying that Trump himself might be ripping of the USA more than the trade partners he's been condemning?  

[Cryingdick]

20 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

No way would the IRS take over two years to carry out an audit. Just more of Trumps BULLsh--!!!!!

Yeah it isn’t like an investigation like Mueller’s would go on for two years looking for nothing. 

[Cryingdick]

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

Abiding by the law is not something you "volunteer" to do.  Congress has the legal right to demand the IRS deliver the tax returns.

If that is the law they will prevail. The information is with the IRS. If that isn’t the law nothing will be revealed and the dems will be in their usual state of hurt and outrage. Guess which one will happen? They couldn’t get it yet and won’t get it now. 

 

 

[metisdead]

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[Curt1591]

What are we hoping to find in his returns? 

At least Mueller has fallen from "topic du jour" ....

Edited April 7, 2019 by Curt1591

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

If that is the law they will prevail. The information is with the IRS. If that isn’t the law nothing will be revealed and the dems will be in their usual state of hurt and outrage. Guess which one will happen? They couldn’t get it yet and won’t get it now.

I knew I'd have to keep posting this.

 

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Tax-ation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any re-turn or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.   https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/pdf/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleF-chap61-subchapB-sec6103.pdf

 

The law is very clear.

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Curt1591 said:

What are we hoping to find in his returns? 

At least Mueller has fallen from "topic du jour" ....

Money laundering, tax evasion, violations of the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, stuff like that.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Money laundering, tax evasion, violations of the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, stuff like that.

Indeed. 

He's hiding stuff BIGLY. 

The people arguing that he shouldn't have to release them know that too.

Even as they dish out their weak tea excuses.

They are loyal to someone that deserves no loyalty.

History will not look kindly on 45 OR his fans.

 

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The case for getting Trump’s tax returns just got stronger — and more urgent

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/28/case-getting-trumps-tax-returns-just-got-stronger-more-urgent/

[Curt1591]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Money laundering, tax evasion, violations of the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, stuff like that.

One might believe that any illegal goings on might turn up in an IRS audit .... 
 

However, it could turn up some possible points of speculation for the press to create more "news". They were spot on with all the Mueller prognostications! 


 
 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

One might believe that any illegal goings on might turn up in an IRS audit .... 
 

However, it could turn up some possible points of speculation for the press to create more "news". They were spot on with all the Mueller prognostications! 


 
 

IRS doesn't get involved in things like presidential conflict of interest, emoluments clause, etc. That is the constitutionally mandated role of CONGRESS to watch over such things.

Let's get real. This particular president is obviously dirty. Very dirty. He ran for office quite openly as a criminally corrupt con man. The voters in their shameful lack of wisdom sort of elected him anyway, with the help of the electoral college and Vladimir Putin.

Whether it's politically advantageous or not at this point (as we're approaching 2020) to be aggressive on investigating the horror/clown show that is the 45 white house is neither here nor there. 
They're doing what they're supposed to be doing. They're doing what the republican majority controlled house before (bunch of Quislings) failed to do. They're doing what the voters told them do by created a blue wave in the house in 2018. Let the chips fall where they may. 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Jingthing

[Curt1591]

29 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Let the chips fall where they may. 

Please ...