Information for those using 65,000 baht monthly income to support their retirement extension.

 

For more than 10 years I have transferred funds to Thailand quarterly in advance. Example: In March I transferred more than 65k X 3 to cover living expenses for April, May and June. I used an embassy letter.

 

The new rules demanded that I transition to transfers every month. Which I started as soon as the changes were released.

 

My retirement extension was refused.

 

“Must be every month” she said, pushing the following undated, unsigned amateur notice at me.

 

I read it to include a hint that the rocket scientists and criminal investigators are having problems with “evidence.” Simple like “every month” on a bank statement they can almost understand but beyond that their grey matter goes into meltdown mode. Who knows what brilliant solution they will come up with.

 

This hint may apply more widely than Hua Hin.

190319peim Retirement Visa Notice HH.pdf

How long have you been making monthly transfers?

Your application should of been accepted if you have been doing them since January.

Immigration offices were sent a directive in December to be flexible and lenient this year.

Big Joke gone, his directives gone perhaps. 

Just now, asiaexpat said:

Big Joke gone, his directives gone perhaps. 

No they would not be gone.

The document Chai19 attached does mention 12 months twice and is so underlined, which is, of course, to be followed in 2020. Enforcing the qualifying foreign transfer requirement much before Mid-December seems a bit concerning, as this is when it was announced. Personally, I only made my first qualifying transfer on 4 Jan 2019, having previously transferred ~ 400,000 in twice a year for living expenses, while using the U.S. Embassy affidavit. I would have started qualifying transfers much earlier had I known this would be a requirement

 

My best guess is that Chai19 made one transfer in January of at least 195,000 baht, and a second transfer if at least 195,000 in March. Maybe if those had been broken down into four (4) (Jan, Feb, Mar and Apr) individual transfers "leniency" would have been a factor?

Where are you from?

How have you shown 'proof of required funds' in previous years - do you still have an Embassy letter option?

When did you start showing your transfers as monthly transfers?

How do you make those transfers?

Did you show proof that those transfers came from abroad?

Did you have the required bank letter and bank statement/passbook from your Thai bank?

Edited April 9, 20197 yr by sumrit

48 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

How long have you been making monthly transfers?

Your application should of been accepted if you have been doing them since January.

Immigration offices were sent a directive in December to be flexible and lenient this year.

I'm sure the immigration office were flexible and lenient if OP used an agent

I read the document as saying that you must have less than 400,000 baths in one year!

 

3 minutes ago, jackdd said:

I'm sure the immigration office were flexible and lenient if OP used an agent

Do things correctly and it's not necessary to waste money on using an agent.

7 minutes ago, sumrit said:

Do things correctly and it's not necessary to waste money on using an agent.

What was it that OP did wrong?

2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

What was it that OP did wrong?

Don't know yet - I asked some questions to help to clarify but the OP hasn't given any answers so far.

15 minutes ago, vinniekintana said:

It astounds me that some ppl make 65k a month and they cannot rub together 800k and be done with it.

No doubt you find it astonishing also that some farangs live contented lives on a basic state pension.

Different strokes etc.

It astounds me that some ppl make 65k a month and they cannot rub together 800k and be done with it.

I see nothing astounding about it at all! Those of us who have an income slightly above 65k per month, actually use that money for living expenses and modest savings for large household or car repair bills and emergencies like hospital bills! Even if I managed to save 25k baht per month it would take almost 3 years to save the required 800k baht! This money would then be "given" to the bank and could not be used, ever! I cannot understand the logic of this as every baht I have coming in monthly is, in the long run, used for my comfortable retirement and not being used by a bank somewhere!


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48 minutes ago, vinniekintana said:

It astounds me that some ppl make 65k a month and they cannot rub together 800k and be done with it.

And they can spend the 65K a month but not the 800K which way makes more sense?

1 hour ago, vinniekintana said:

It astounds me that some ppl make 65k a month and they cannot rub together 800k and be done with it.

 

28 minutes ago, vinniekintana said:

No I don't...I was living as a cheap Charlie for years

...but if I had 65k coming in I would have banked a fortune.

And, in the future, you might need to.

 

Those using the income method are showing that they have a sufficient monthly income to live in Thailand.

 

In the past, those using the money in the bank option have said that money is used for expenses throughout the year. But they can no longer say that. Most of that money must stay in the bank. 

 

So, If their money is tied up, what do these people now use for living expenses and can they provide proof of the source of that money?

 

In the foreseeable future, once the current dust has settled, I can see Immigration asking the same question.

 

I can see an additional requirement, for those choosing the 800k in the bank option, being a requirement to show sufficient annual living expenses, with proof that the money originated from abroad.

 

Having to show 800k baht in the bank PLUS annual living expenses will suddenly not be such a good deal.

Edited April 9, 20197 yr by sumrit

"- SUBMIT THE VERIFICATION OF PENSION OR SOCIAL INCOME ( NOT CERTIFY BY EMBASSY OR CONSULATE), CERTIFICATE LETTER FROM THE BANK, AND BANK STATEMANT SHOWING THE EVIDENCE OF TRANSFERED MONEY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AT LEAST 65,000 /MONTH CERTIFYING IN IHE-ruI.-1A-TLO*NTHS RECORD. THE VERIFICATION DOCUMENT MUST SHOW THE EVIDENCE OF THE OVERSEA MONEY TRANSFER IN 12 MONTHS"

 

Leniency out of the window and no combination?

From what the OP originally said he presented proof of quarterly foreign transfers... This under the letter of the law is insufficient... Monthly means monthly...

3 minutes ago, sfokevin said:

From what the OP originally said he presented proof of quarterly foreign transfers... This under the letter of the law is insufficient... Monthly means monthly...

It is, but was it when he did it previous to the new rules ? He said since the rules have changed he has since done monthly transfers. So it would appear he is following the rules. If you are meant to follow rules before they have been made maybe it wont be long before we are all leaving. 

 

1 hour ago, mngmn said:

I read the document as saying that you must have less than 400,000 baths in one year!

 

You would get an astronomical water bill 

35 minutes ago, berybert said:

It is, but was it when he did it previous to the new rules ? He said since the rules have changed he has since done monthly transfers. So it would appear he is following the rules. If you are meant to follow rules before they have been made maybe it wont be long before we are all leaving. 

 

The OP.. ”In March I transferred more than 65k X 3 to cover living expenses for April, May and June.“

 

That does not sound like he made monthly transfers to me... 

Let me guess, you got the middle-aged female immigration officer? ????

Edited April 9, 20197 yr by Myran

Thai Immigration officers don't even know what the rules are anymore.  It is obvious, competent leadership at Thai Immigration is sorely lacking at all levels.    

1 hour ago, sumrit said:

 

And, in the future, you might need to.

 

Those using the income method are showing that they have a sufficient monthly income to live in Thailand.

 

In the past, those using the money in the bank option have said that money is used for expenses throughout the year. But they can no longer say that. Most of that money must stay in the bank. 

 

So, If their money is tied up, what do these people now use for living expenses and can they provide proof of the source of that money?

 

In the foreseeable future, once the current dust has settled, I can see Immigration asking the same question.

 

I can see an additional requirement, for those choosing the 800k in the bank option, being a requirement to show sufficient annual living expenses, with proof that the money originated from abroad.

 

Having to show 800k baht in the bank PLUS annual living expenses will suddenly not be such a good deal.

You can see a lot. 

Ever  thought of being a Medium. ?

If you transfer 65 x 3 that should be enough.  But immigration lady is stupid, maybe try another IO and see what happens. 

4 minutes ago, balo said:

If you transfer 65 x 3 that should be enough.  But immigration lady is stupid, maybe try another IO and see what happens. 

The order is monthly, not quarterly transfers.

 

Using your logic, would it be OK to show 780K and tell the IO it was 65K x 12 ???

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

You would get an astronomical water bill 

But less than 4,000,000 includes 0! Amazed that immigration has suddenly become so interested in personal hygiene.

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

"- SUBMIT THE VERIFICATION OF PENSION OR SOCIAL INCOME ( NOT CERTIFY BY EMBASSY OR CONSULATE), CERTIFICATE LETTER FROM THE BANK, AND BANK STATEMANT SHOWING THE EVIDENCE OF TRANSFERED MONEY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AT LEAST 65,000 /MONTH CERTIFYING IN IHE-ruI.-1A-TLO*NTHS RECORD. THE VERIFICATION DOCUMENT MUST SHOW THE EVIDENCE OF THE OVERSEA MONEY TRANSFER IN 12 MONTHS"

 

Leniency out of the window and no combination?

The combination method is listed too.

 

”THE APPLICANT MUST EARN TOTAL INCOME OF AT LEAST 8OO,OOO BAHT/YEAR (FROM SAVING,FIXED MONEY IN THE BANK ACCOUNT, PENSION, AND THE SOCIAL WELFARE) FOR THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT MUST SHOW THE AMONT OF MONEY IN THE BANK ACCOUNT FOR AT LEAST 2 MONTHS FROM THE PAST AND ALSO 3 MONTHS AFTER THE VISA IS APPROVED. THEN, THE APPLICANT CAN WITHDRAW MONEY, BUTTHERE MUST BE NOT LESS THAN 4OO,OOO BATH IN THE ACCOUNT. OR”

40 minutes ago, elviajero said:

The combination method is listed too.

 

”THE APPLICANT MUST EARN TOTAL INCOME OF AT LEAST 8OO,OOO BAHT/YEAR (FROM SAVING,FIXED MONEY IN THE BANK ACCOUNT, PENSION, AND THE SOCIAL WELFARE) FOR THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT MUST SHOW THE AMONT OF MONEY IN THE BANK ACCOUNT FOR AT LEAST 2 MONTHS FROM THE PAST AND ALSO 3 MONTHS AFTER THE VISA IS APPROVED. THEN, THE APPLICANT CAN WITHDRAW MONEY, BUTTHERE MUST BE NOT LESS THAN 4OO,OOO BATH IN THE ACCOUNT. OR”

With a minimum of 400K in the bank at all times,does not sound like combination,just like 800K lump sum? Or does the combo now require 400K in the bank at all times?

3 hours ago, vinniekintana said:

It astounds me that some ppl make 65k a month and they cannot rub together 800k and be done with it.

Not everyone is in the same boat. Have some understanding and consideration instead of looking down on them. 

Once again, trouble at immigration = female uniform behind the counter.

 

Not that I want to be nasty, but those ladies seem just have to make trouble,  against farangs.