White Christmas13 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Silvagni gets a 4 match ban and Masten 2. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-18/silvagni-given-fourmatch-ban-by-afl-tribunal-after-hit-on-cripps Silvagni should get banned for longer then that Fremantle has many better players then him. Yes I am a Freo supporter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 Silvagni gets a 4 match ban and Masten 2. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-18/silvagni-given-fourmatch-ban-by-afl-tribunal-after-hit-on-cripps I thought he would get 3...4 is how it should be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Dont agree....................i just dont...... And the reason i dont agree is....The Brand Australian Rules Football is rock soild, what isnt good about it is that if your not playing finals on a regular basis your almost a basket case, thats where i think something like a conference system would turn it around. Codes can stand along side of each other, the only code that is going to explode here will be soccer but i dout it will be a threat to ARules, the attraction is seeing Real Madrid play in Melbourne, the opportunity to play overseas,for your country, when your 12 and your about to choose your sport your not thinking i could be the next Ranaldo and earn 350,000$ a week because if you were choosing the sport you play against the money you could earn Tennis would be up there big time. No mate the kids play the game they like, soccer and rugby have salary caps too, Look at the US sport, basketball soccer baseball and football all coexist, what ARules needs is to create more winners within a season. Kids are influenced to play a game they can try and where there are opportunities. The more opportunities you present people, the more will take the opportunities. Look at the Jack brothers for Sydney. Their father was an AUstralian rep for Rugby League. Offer well paid career opportunities and you get more talent. Australia can't support all its codes. League and Union are the two most likely to suffer talent drain. You cannot compare the US market with Australia. 300 million population versus 22 million But you are....extra teams....we have 18 for 25 million people they have 32 NFL teams for 300 million people. Like it or not sport is packaged for TV these days, im telling you the AFL needs to work out a way to have more winners, i think you seen a bit of NFL, same for all there codes casue they pretty much use the same system, there tv commentators are always going on about play off spots wild card spot and divisional championships and thats even before conference title and super bowl. Supporters get sucked up into this world....just look at you guys in here with your tipping, make it interesting then kids will want to play it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Still too many sides from Victoria. Look at the WB's, they're flying and still can't get much more than 20 000 to a game. North should've gone to Tassy when given the opportunity. I agree with AlexRRR, just not enough talent to go around IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Still too many sides from Victoria. Look at the WB's, they're flying and still can't get much more than 20 000 to a game. North should've gone to Tassy when given the opportunity. I agree with AlexRRR, just not enough talent to go around IMO. I agree about sending a team to Tassie. Seems North and Hawks are playing there a bit anyways. Hawks 4 games and north 2 games? Having said that though, would a Tassie team average much more than 15,000 spectators? They are averaging 15-20,00 now Crowd numbers can be a distraction of course. League and Union would kill for teams to average 20,000 a game. In 2014, there were a staggering 14 NRL teams averaging under 20,000 per home game AFL? Only Gold coast and GWS were under 20,000 per game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Australian_football_code_crowds I'm not sure about the talent issue. It seems to me there is more talent available than ever before. If the AFL pumps more money into Northern academies they will have hundreds more available players in the near future. AFL has the money, best if they can grind down the ARL and Union codes, have players switch codes while young. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Kids are influenced to play a game they can try and where there are opportunities. The more opportunities you present people, the more will take the opportunities. Look at the Jack brothers for Sydney. Their father was an AUstralian rep for Rugby League. Offer well paid career opportunities and you get more talent. Australia can't support all its codes. League and Union are the two most likely to suffer talent drain. You cannot compare the US market with Australia. 300 million population versus 22 million But you are....extra teams....we have 18 for 25 million people they have 32 NFL teams for 300 million people. Like it or not sport is packaged for TV these days, im telling you the AFL needs to work out a way to have more winners, i think you seen a bit of NFL, same for all there codes casue they pretty much use the same system, there tv commentators are always going on about play off spots wild card spot and divisional championships and thats even before conference title and super bowl. Supporters get sucked up into this world....just look at you guys in here with your tipping, make it interesting then kids will want to play it. I don't think I am comparing the US market with the Australian market. You are mentioning the US market's ability to have multiple high level sports co -exist, all sharing large pieces or a large revenue pie, They can do that because of their population. I'm merely speculating that the greater the job opportunity, the more talent the game can attract. Even without extra teams, maybe there is a case for teams to have an increased salaray cap and more players on their rosters? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Still too many sides from Victoria. Look at the WB's, they're flying and still can't get much more than 20 000 to a game. North should've gone to Tassy when given the opportunity. I agree with AlexRRR, just not enough talent to go around IMO. I agree about sending a team to Tassie. Seems North and Hawks are playing there a bit anyways. Hawks 4 games and north 2 games? Having said that though, would a Tassie team average much more than 15,000 spectators? They are averaging 15-20,00 now Crowd numbers can be a distraction of course. League and Union would kill for teams to average 20,000 a game. In 2014, there were a staggering 14 NRL teams averaging under 20,000 per home game AFL? Only Gold coast and GWS were under 20,000 per game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Australian_football_code_crowds I'm not sure about the talent issue. It seems to me there is more talent available than ever before. If the AFL pumps more money into Northern academies they will have hundreds more available players in the near future. AFL has the money, best if they can grind down the ARL and Union codes, have players switch codes while young. But the bottom line is, that unless these sides can pull decent crowds, they're never going to be solvent. I'm not sure of the figure, but I think I read somewehere that you need to attract 25 000 people to Etihaus just to break even. Off the top of my head, I reckon you could get rid of North, WB, GC and GWS for a start (sorry farmerjo). Personally, I don't think you need 2 sides out of Qld and Sydney. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 But the bottom line is, that unless these sides can pull decent crowds, they're never going to be solvent. I'm not sure of the figure, but I think I read somewehere that you need to attract 25 000 people to Etihaus just to break even. Off the top of my head, I reckon you could get rid of North, WB, GC and GWS for a start (sorry farmerjo). Personally, I don't think you need 2 sides out of Qld and Sydney. Not all individual clubs need to be making profit by crowds alone. The Media rights deal allows for the money to subsidize the game/club. It's all about providing product from that standpoint. When the AFL completes its deal and owns 100% of Etihad stadium. will the cost/returns of a game being played there change? Not sure... We come back to the Bulldogs...Now the most popular 'second' team... It is the underdog coming good stories the media and a lot of us love. No doubt they could have moved. North, probably should have moved somewhere. It wasn't long back that Hawthorn almost merged? Gold Coast and GWS i would keep. The Gold Coast team has made some decent in roads on the Coast. Again, a terrific recruiting ground. GWS...they will get a following when success comes, which wont be long. Create a rivalry with the Swans and it will get plenty of local media attention...and again, they are in league heartland out that way. many parents would prefer their kids playing AFL over League these days 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Silvagni gets a 4 match ban and Masten 2. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-18/silvagni-given-fourmatch-ban-by-afl-tribunal-after-hit-on-cripps Silvagni should get banned for longer then that Fremantle has many better players then him. Yes I am a Freo supporter You might be interested in joining the tipping comp next year WhiteChristmas. Quite a few WA boys in it already Chimpy Khun Will27 is the current tipping guru. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. Edited August 19, 2015 by farmerjo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. And you can only recruit from within your state or territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2015 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. And you can only recruit from within your state or territory. Jeez, that's a bit restrictive FJ....When it comes down to it, state boundary lines are kind of arbitrary A young kid, I want to see the world, make as much $$ as I can...Should i have the right to take the highest offer, regardless of where it comes from? or...Western Australia...only 2 teams, bulging with potential....clubs are fully staffed...or they just dont want some players... Those players could have a chance outside the state On a side note... The salary cap and draft and equalisation measures have worked well for the AFL, IMO, to level things out. Having said that though... If I was a top echelon player, I would not want any limit to my earning potential. If some club wanted to pay $2million for the Bookman & Chimpy Combo per season, why shouldn't I be entitled to that? Why should tehre be a restriction on what I can earn? The draft and salary cap is a restraint of trade in my view...and one day it will be challenged 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will27 Posted August 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2015 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. And you can only recruit from within your state or territory. That can't/wont work mate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will27 Posted August 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2015 Silvagni gets a 4 match ban and Masten 2. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. And you can only recruit from within your state or territory. That can't/wont work mate. I know it cant work now,but could of before interstate teams arrived originally as everything was structured around zones. You know i'm young but old fashioned when it comes to footy . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 You know i'm young but old fashioned when it comes to footy . What u said before..(i couldnt find it)..about grassroots level and small clubs struggling. I agree this is an issue... What are the general thoughts from everyone for the future of this situation? Should there be bigger regional feeder clubs? More money given to small comps and clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 WOW bookie your all fired up....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. If someone is worth 3 million a season they can get it no limit on what a club pays a player that im aware of only problem would be the rest of the team wont be much left for any of them. Once you kill the salary cap we will go back to the days when 3 teams rotated the premiership cup....do you want to see a Man United, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal type senerio? Wasnt all that long ago that North under Barassi bought the best payers going around, at one point in time there reserves where better than Melbourne and a lot of other clubs most of the clubs had next to no chance of getting a Glendening or Blight. What to do oh what to do????? I would like to see us go back to the under 19's and 17's i think clubs need something like an academy, aligned feeder clubs, clubs really do need to have control over there kids from a young age, giving up the reserves was a dumb move and looked like to me just to save money for some struggling clubs, The Hawks and North back in the 70's worked there reserves etc very well....Dermi ran around in the 2's for 50 to 60 games in fact a lot of hawks of the 80's spent a lot of time kicking dew of the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 WOW bookie your all fired up....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. If someone is worth 3 million a season they can get it no limit on what a club pays a player that im aware of only problem would be the rest of the team wont be much left for any of them. Once you kill the salary cap we will go back to the days when 3 teams rotated the premiership cup....do you want to see a Man United, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal type senerio? Wasnt all that long ago that North under Barassi bought the best payers going around, at one point in time there reserves where better than Melbourne and a lot of other clubs most of the clubs had next to no chance of getting a Glendening or Blight. What to do oh what to do????? I would like to see us go back to the under 19's and 17's i think clubs need something like an academy, aligned feeder clubs, clubs really do need to have control over there kids from a young age, giving up the reserves was a dumb move and looked like to me just to save money for some struggling clubs, The Hawks and North back in the 70's worked there reserves etc very well....Dermi ran around in the 2's for 50 to 60 games in fact a lot of hawks of the 80's spent a lot of time kicking dew of the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 WOW bookie your all fired up....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. If someone is worth 3 million a season they can get it no limit on what a club pays a player that im aware of only problem would be the rest of the team wont be much left for any of them. Once you kill the salary cap we will go back to the days when 3 teams rotated the premiership cup....do you want to see a Man United, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal type senerio? Wasnt all that long ago that North under Barassi bought the best payers going around, at one point in time there reserves where better than Melbourne and a lot of other clubs most of the clubs had next to no chance of getting a Glendening or Blight. What to do oh what to do????? I would like to see us go back to the under 19's and 17's i think clubs need something like an academy, aligned feeder clubs, clubs really do need to have control over there kids from a young age, giving up the reserves was a dumb move and looked like to me just to save money for some struggling clubs, The Hawks and North back in the 70's worked there reserves etc very well....Dermi ran around in the 2's for 50 to 60 games in fact a lot of hawks of the 80's spent a lot of time kicking dew of the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 WOW bookie your all fired up....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. If someone is worth 3 million a season they can get it no limit on what a club pays a player that im aware of only problem would be the rest of the team wont be much left for any of them. Once you kill the salary cap we will go back to the days when 3 teams rotated the premiership cup....do you want to see a Man United, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal type senerio? Wasnt all that long ago that North under Barassi bought the best payers going around, at one point in time there reserves where better than Melbourne and a lot of other clubs most of the clubs had next to no chance of getting a Glendening or Blight. What to do oh what to do????? I would like to see us go back to the under 19's and 17's i think clubs need something like an academy, aligned feeder clubs, clubs really do need to have control over there kids from a young age, giving up the reserves was a dumb move and looked like to me just to save money for some struggling clubs, The Hawks and North back in the 70's worked there reserves etc very well....Dermi ran around in the 2's for 50 to 60 games in fact a lot of hawks of the 80's spent a lot of time kicking dew of the grass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickmick Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Still too many sides from Victoria. Look at the WB's, they're flying and still can't get much more than 20 000 to a game. North should've gone to Tassy when given the opportunity. I agree with AlexRRR, just not enough talent to go around IMO. I agree about sending a team to Tassie. Seems North and Hawks are playing there a bit anyways. Hawks 4 games and north 2 games? Having said that though, would a Tassie team average much more than 15,000 spectators? They are averaging 15-20,00 now Crowd numbers can be a distraction of course. League and Union would kill for teams to average 20,000 a game. In 2014, there were a staggering 14 NRL teams averaging under 20,000 per home game AFL? Only Gold coast and GWS were under 20,000 per game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Australian_football_code_crowds I'm not sure about the talent issue. It seems to me there is more talent available than ever before. If the AFL pumps more money into Northern academies they will have hundreds more available players in the near future. AFL has the money, best if they can grind down the ARL and Union codes, have players switch codes while young. But the bottom line is, that unless these sides can pull decent crowds, they're never going to be solvent.I'm not sure of the figure, but I think I read somewehere that you need to attract 25 000 people to Etihaus just to break even. Off the top of my head, I reckon you could get rid of North, WB, GC and GWS for a start (sorry farmerjo). Personally, I don't think you need 2 sides out of Qld and Sydney. But you need two sides so that there is a home game live in that state each week, and so that TV stations can show that game live back in Vic, WA, etc, wherever the other team is from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickmick Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. And which Vic teams would you keep ? One would have to be Collingwood, so how are you going to sort out the other ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 ....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. *ahem* ...A delightfully enjoyable month with the TGFs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 WOW bookie your all fired up....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. If someone is worth 3 million a season they can get it no limit on what a club pays a player that im aware of only problem would be the rest of the team wont be much left for any of them. Once you kill the salary cap we will go back to the days when 3 teams rotated the premiership cup....do you want to see a Man United, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal type senerio? Wasnt all that long ago that North under Barassi bought the best payers going around, at one point in time there reserves where better than Melbourne and a lot of other clubs most of the clubs had next to no chance of getting a Glendening or Blight. What to do oh what to do????? I would like to see us go back to the under 19's and 17's i think clubs need something like an academy, aligned feeder clubs, clubs really do need to have control over there kids from a young age, giving up the reserves was a dumb move and looked like to me just to save money for some struggling clubs, The Hawks and North back in the 70's worked there reserves etc very well....Dermi ran around in the 2's for 50 to 60 games in fact a lot of hawks of the 80's spent a lot of time kicking dew of the grass. I think the draft system works well.. evens it up for clubs. I'm all for clubs having academies... If the club priority picks one of its own academy players then it can operate under the new system of giving up points based on where that player is picked at by another club. Academies for clubs to have it as feeders for their top team would never work. As for the salary cap. I don't want to see it become the richest clubs dominate forever, but, i do believe players have a right to earn what the market will pay. The CEOs of clubs are notrestricted by a salary cap are they? A club can theoretically pay $3 million but what club would do that? makes no sense to give one player 30% of the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) ....you must be back in cooler Australia and regained your strength after a torrid several weeks with the TGF. *ahem* ...A delightfully enjoyable month with the TGFs... My turn next week....but i have only energy enough for one..... Edited August 19, 2015 by AlexRRR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 my idea of an academy is another word for your under 15s 17s 19s etc, soccer clubs say in England offer a kid a spot in there youth teams if the kids good enough eventually they get offered a contract, other clubs can offer the kid a contract as well, in the US most players come through the college system, college football is actually almost as big as the NFL...its big time. Since we dont have college system as in the US then a youth league is the way to go which means getting back to what we use to have, the draft can be for whats not in the youth leagues and mature players coming form the VFL etc.. I never was a fan of scraping reserves etc, but having said all of that the system for drafting isnt bad it doesnt needs fixing. Why the AFL meddled with father son rules is beyond me....your dad played 100 plus games for the swans then your eligable if the swans dont want you into the draft you go, if the swans take you they loose there lowest pick this bullshit they got in place is rubbish and you know me by now...im tired of then forever TINKERING...leave the game alone and let the coaches develop it for christs sake. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 Why the AFL meddled with father son rules is beyond me....your dad played 100 plus games for the swans then your eligable if the swans dont want you into the draft you go, if the swans take you they loose there lowest pick this bullshit they got in place is rubbish and you know me by now...im tired of then forever TINKERING...leave the game alone and let the coaches develop it for christs sake. 5555 Some tinkering is good i think....the pick is commensurate with the players worth....so it could be first pick + second pick (whatever the points value is).or last pick... makes it fair ...like the academy system.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post farmerjo Posted August 19, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2015 2 sides in each state including NT and Tassie then its a national competion. And which Vic teams would you keep ? One would have to be Collingwood, so how are you going to sort out the other ? I guess only time will tell.if it happens at all. I'm from WA and never wanted interstate teams believing if you were good enough you went and played VFL. Then you played state of origin to represent your state. Worked allright for many decades but its a very different game today from then. Once there was a set of rules,now its full of rule makers. I think the argument is probably there that the games better,myself i think not.(television coverage has come a long way) Sides get blown away the same as they did 100 years ago and goal kicking hasn't improved. It seems to be about money now so i'm sure the rule makers will decide whats right and wrong and who stays and who go's. Would be nice to see North Melbourne get the second spot. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmerjo Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 You know i'm young but old fashioned when it comes to footy . What u said before..(i couldnt find it)..about grassroots level and small clubs struggling. I agree this is an issue... What are the general thoughts from everyone for the future of this situation? Should there be bigger regional feeder clubs? More money given to small comps and clubs? Country is a hard one Bookman, Farming is a business not a lifestyle now and farmers are reluctant to let their kids/adult sons play during seeding time. I look thru country WA results every week and most towns cant even scratch a reserves side together. Combining leagues is next but you could travel up to 60-80 kms in your local for a game. If your good and go to a regional centre its another player lost at local level but if you want a game thats where the future is heading.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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