3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

None of which negates the fact that racism and xenophobia were central parts of the Leave campaign.

 

The Leave campaign was widely criticised for the use of racism and xenophobia, far from not endorsing the ‘appalling behaviour’ there are Brexit supporters on this forum (But by no means all) who frequently make racist and xenophobic remarks.

 

I very rarely see those remarks challenged by Brexit supporting members.

...

 

I’m not at all sure on what basis you claim ‘the default position...’ is, or why it’s even relevant.

I think the problem I have with your post, is that to some 'lefties' believe that controlling borders equates to being racist and xenophobic, which is simply is not the case, but it is always convenient to come up with something that tries to belittle the 'other' side. That is not to say that there are some posters that might inadvertently use inappropiate language, but be in no doubt this occurs from both leavers and remainers, to which I will say 'I very rarely see those remarks challenged by remainer supporters.'

This is a photo of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrat for Europe Party and it has to be said that I have never seen as many white people in one room. Do you think that some ethnic groups are not being represented here?

 

 

 

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

Very strange, I have been on these Brexit threads from before the people’s referendum of 2016. And the only racist remarks have come from some remainers, when they state, that if we do stop E.u citizens from gaining employment in the U.K. then we would have to make the numbers up by increasing  immigration of people from south of the Mediterranean, mainly blacks and Muslims. 

 

 Here we have a poster of prominent Brexit candidates for the upcoming E.u. Elections.

 

You seem to be confusing an observed irony of Brexit with racism.

 

 

You seem to be confusing an observed irony of Brexit with racism.
 
 

C/h..

Please can you give me YOUR definition of
1.racism
2.a racist

If possible..please do not give a wikileaks rant..as I am asking you for YOUR definition.
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1 hour ago, vogie said:

I think the problem I have with your post, is that to some 'lefties' believe that controlling borders equates to being racist and xenophobic, which is simply is not the case, but it is always convenient to come up with something that tries to belittle the 'other' side. 

More brexit misinformation. The UK borders have always been controlled, do you really think that people just walk into the UK.

Controlling who enters is another matter altogether and something the government has had control of wherever the people came from.

 

Tens of thousands of migrant workers from Romania and Bulgaria are to be blocked from working in Britain amid concerns that economic migration is placing new strains on public services.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/23/immigration.eu

 

Discontent arose in the UK because the government failed to provide the funding necessary to accommodate the numbers they decided to allow into the UK.

It cannot be denied that hate crime equates to being racist and xenophobic.

It cannot be denied that hate crime against EU citizens has risen following the result of the brexit referendum.

It cannot be denied that abusive element on the leave side is a minority but the vote to leave fueled the flames and you cannot put spilled milk back in the bottle.

13 hours ago, Loiner said:

We are all paying the price of our democracy being overruled by fifth columnist and a foreign power in the EU. That cost will continue for a very long time, unless we stop it now.

That's a good one, how many countries have broken free of UK domination. Brexit has highlighted that the English are incapable of integration, lack of control is not an option.

More brexit misinformation. The UK borders have always been controlled, do you really think that people just walk into the UK.
Controlling who enters is another matter altogether and something the government has had control of wherever the people came from.
 
Tens of thousands of migrant workers from Romania and Bulgaria are to be blocked from working in Britain amid concerns that economic migration is placing new strains on public services.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/23/immigration.eu
 
Discontent arose in the UK because the government failed to provide the funding necessary to accommodate the numbers they decided to allow into the UK.
It cannot be denied that hate crime equates to being racist and xenophobic.
It cannot be denied that hate crime against EU citizens has risen following the result of the brexit referendum.
It cannot be denied that abusive element on the leave side is a minority but the vote to leave fueled the flames and you cannot put spilled milk back in the bottle.

Sandyf...

I want the UK to accept quality educated law abiding immigrants.
I do not want immigrants who have a criminal record in their home country.
Sadly..crime is on the rise in certain parts of the UK..the horrible stuff.
Eg..protection rackets..child prostitution..people trafficking..hard drugs..forced marriages and more.
Sorry to tell you that citizens of eu subsidy junkie countries are involved in the above " crime list "
The UK,once we are free of the fraudulent..corrupt..autocratic eu, WILL be selective as to which foreigners will have the honour of living and working in the UK.
People who the skills..trades
..professions will be made welcome..similar to Australia hopefully.
Just why in your opinion should the UK take immigrants who just want FREE health-care, housing, all sorts of financial benefits, etc etc.
Are they an ASSET to the UK..NO WAY.
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5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

None of which negates the fact that racism and xenophobia were central parts of the Leave campaign.

 

The Leave campaign was widely criticised for the use of racism and xenophobia, far from not endorsing the ‘appalling behaviour’ there are Brexis on this fot supporterrum (But by no means all) who frequently make racist and xenophobic remarks.

  

I very rarely see those remarks challenged by Brexit supporting members.

...

 

I’m not at all sure on what basis you claim ‘the default position...’ is, or why it’s even relevant.

The use of these words racism and xenophobia are splashed around like bad little treats these days by the UK media and many of those remain mouthpieces who manage to get themselves regular airtime on the BBC, Sky and ITV. These words are also used often by several posters on here. Along with the term far right, these words do not typically describe the vast majority of leavers, who just want to leave the EU peacefully, and in peace.

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Redwood’s letter is referring to the Brexit deal (there is only one Brexit deal).

 

None of the points raised by Redwood are at odds with ‘Remain’ predictions of the kind of mess Brexit would become, you’ll find those predictions filed under ‘Project Fear’.

 

Brexit mess belongs to those who voted for it, nothing to do with Remain.

This "mess" belongs to May, who was not PM at the time of the referendum.

2 hours ago, vogie said:

I think the problem I have with your post, is that to some 'lefties' believe that controlling borders equates to being racist and xenophobic, which is simply is not the case, but it is always convenient to come up with something that tries to belittle the 'other' side. That is not to say that there are some posters that might inadvertently use inappropiate language, but be in no doubt this occurs from both leavers and remainers, to which I will say 'I very rarely see those remarks challenged by remainer supporters.'

This is a photo of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrat for Europe Party and it has to be said that I have never seen as many white people in one room. Do you think that some ethnic groups are not being represented here?

 

 

 

Ha ha. And front right, Goofy!

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Redwood’s letter is referring to the Brexit deal (there is only one Brexit deal).

 

None of the points raised by Redwood are at odds with ‘Remain’ predictions of the kind of mess Brexit would become, you’ll find those predictions filed under ‘Project Fear’.

 

Brexit mess belongs to those who voted for it, nothing to do with Remain.

Farage reminded his audience yesterday that May's er 'deal' is in fact a formal treaty that is less useful to UK than the one we will be leaving & BTW 500 MPs voted for it & both parties had it in their manifestos. 

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

That's a good one, how many countries have broken free of UK domination. Brexit has highlighted that the English are incapable of integration, lack of control is not an option.

it was British domination and is the UK (all of it!) that will be leaving the EU. 

 

(Chomper: wot was that about xenophobia?)

Edited April 21, 20197 yr by evadgib

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

C/h..

Please can you give me YOUR definition of
1.racism
2.a racist

If possible..please do not give a wikileaks rant..as I am asking you for YOUR definition.
Cheers

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Oh he wants to play semantics.

 

Sorry, not playing.

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Farage reminded his audience yesterday that May's er 'deal' is in fact a formal treaty that is less useful to UK than the one we will be leaving & BTW 500 MPs voted for it & both parties had it in their manifestos. 

Two points:

 

The deal May has is more or less exactly what Remain said was the most likely outcome - and of course it’s worse than the one the UK has not left - Remain and the EU said many times that there is no deal better than the membership deal.

 

That Farage is now repeating what was labelled as ‘Project Fear’ is laughable (if you are into sick humour).

 

What’s this nonsense about both parties having May’s deal in their manifesto - May’s deal was kept secret from Parliament until recently and Parliament has decidedly rejected it.

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

it was British domination and is the UK (all of it!) that will be leaving the EU. 

 

(Chomper: wot was that about xenophobia?)

Yep, the perfect definition of xenophobia. Thanks.

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Sad..sad..the yanks up here are an upfront crowd and are respected.
Suppose the mighty Brexiteers will just have to get used to the lying perfect world leftwing pc remoaners coming out with their " racist " slurs.

Little schoolboy stuff
"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me."


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Thanks for indicating that you don't have any problems being called a racist.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Two points:

 

The deal May has is more or less exactly what Remain said was the most likely outcome - and of course it’s worse than the one the UK has not left - Remain and the EU said many times that there is no deal better than the membership deal.

 

That Farage is now repeating what was labelled as ‘Project Fear’ is laughable (if you are into sick humour).

 

What’s this nonsense about both parties having May’s deal in their manifesto - May’s deal was kept secret from Parliament until recently and Parliament has decidedly rejected it.

You naughty boy Stomper. You know exactly what i meant ????

Edited April 21, 20197 yr by evadgib

5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Yep, the perfect definition of xenophobia. Thanks.

Glad you saw it too ( ???? )

Thanks for indicating that you don't have any problems being called a racist.

Well now..firstly I would consider the lack of education of the person calling me that..secondly I would obviously come to conclude that the said person would be an oh so trendy leftwing pc plinker[emoji2][emoji2][emoji2]


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4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

You naughty boy Stomper. You know exactly what i meant ????

Well he's a better man than me. I couldn't make moss nor sand of your post.

 

What "deal we will be leaving"? AFAIAA parliament hasn't agreed a deal. It's agreed to rule "no deal" out but, as yet hasn't agreed to any deal. In fact, remain is becoming increasingly likely and, to any sane person, the logical answer to this mess.

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Well he's a better man than me. I couldn't make moss nor sand of your post.

 

What "deal we will be leaving"? AFAIAA parliament hasn't agreed a deal. It's agreed to rule "no deal" out but, as yet hasn't agreed to any deal. In fact, remain is becoming increasingly likely and, to any sane person, the logical answer to this mess.

Keep in mind evadgib is of the opinion it is Remain who need to get their house in order.

 

I suspect a surfeit of Alice in Wonderland as a boy is to blame.

Brexit has highlighted that the English are incapable of integration,

Scots, Irish, Welsh for starters - all spread far and wide throughout England’s green and pleasant land.

Keep in mind evadgib is of the opinion it is Remain who need to get their house in order.
 
I suspect a surfeit of Alice in Wonderland as a boy is to blame.

Wrong wrong..the remoaning crowd are like babies in prams..spitting their dummies out and throwing their little toys away

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Find out who funded Brexit Leave and associated online campaigns and you’ll find that ‘fifth column’ of yours.

No need to go looking anywhere, the fifth columnist are in plain view. They are sitting in parliament, masquerading as our MPs. One of them is even the PM.

Scots, Irish, Welsh for starters - all spread far and wide throughout England’s green and pleasant land.

Says sandyf....whilst some scottish people loath the English people and scottish Unionist and Royalists like Myself.
Sandyf..have you even heard the utterly disgusting chants of the infamous " tartan army ".
The majority of that shower are a health hazard..filthy unshowered drunken anti-English anti British winkers.


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1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

Says sandyf....whilst some scottish people loath the English people and scottish Unionist and Royalists like Myself.
Sandyf..have you even heard the utterly disgusting chants of the infamous " tartan army ".
The majority of that shower are a health hazard..filthy unshowered drunken anti-English anti British winkers.


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Seen plenty matching your description at Ibrox.

 

And don't you mean Loyalist rather than Royalist?

Seen plenty matching your description at Ibrox.
 
And don't you mean Loyalist rather than Royalist?

Royalist..there is a DIFFERENCE

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4 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Royalist..there is a DIFFERENCE

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Not to a Scot.

Not to a Scot.

Are you scottish?

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57 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Says sandyf....whilst some scottish people loath the English people and scottish Unionist and Royalists like Myself.
Sandyf..have you even heard the utterly disgusting chants of the infamous " tartan army ".
The majority of that shower are a health hazard..filthy unshowered drunken anti-English anti British winkers.


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Never mind the no deal hard brexit with a hard border you crave should get the battles going again,it should make good viewing for you and the wife watching it on TV in issan

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Keep in mind evadgib is of the opinion it is Remain who need to get their house in order.

 

I suspect a surfeit of Alice in Wonderland as a boy is to blame.

...along with the one about you lot making excellent recruiting sergeants. Please keep it up! ????