Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

[transam]

Don't have to worry about posh latrines...????

[ttrd]

21 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Yea but how much of that went on fixing up sick Buffalo ..

Marginally, but they are contributing indirectly through all the pickpockets incidents they are exposed to … 

[Ctkong]

3 hours ago, Jimdandy said:

You sound just like the Germans from the 'master race' era. Remember that! What have Asians 'brought to the global table'? Where was electricity developed? where was the internet developed? The same technology that allows you the platform to make such stupid uneducated statements as you did here? You sound like the educated fool that you are.

I think what bipolar is emphasizing is not racism per se. I think he is just saying that similar cultural differences makes the Thais felt more comfortable in their skins. None of that entitled white syndrome. For some whites, not all , I cannot stress enough. 

[leosurin]

By the way...relate on only one nationality is not a smart move...when somthing major will happen in china...and will happen...bye bye turism... over night

[Mark mark]

45 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

So the Chinese are putting money into the coffers of the well connected Thai elites. I think the current policy is doing just that. Big corporations making money out of the Chinese. The ruling elites  couldn’t care less about the well being of the small people. They don’t even pay much taxes too. 

This is what the (Corrupt ?)  Political, and Business Elite are doing in just about EVERY COUNTRY !

 

It just seems like Human nature unfortunately, the excesses of Greed, the more you have the more you want !  Sad really, but it is not only Thailand, it is everywhere !  ...

 

...  I used to know an Irish Criminal, Thief, loser, in Amsterdam once ....  And he just used to say "Hey Mxxx, they are out there, the Muuugs !  ...  Thearrrr out there for the Taking, just Look" ....  He never took (Hard) drugs and hated Junkies, ....  but he just stole every ones passports, that he could, (Though he never got mine, as I kept it locked, well out of his way) ... or broke in to the youth hostel, with his Irish squat, friend, and broke open their lockers, ....  !!!  Right, ... Like a REALLY Moral man !!!  Har Har ... He is probably dead by now.   ... With his,  "Hey Mxxx, they are out there, the Muugs !  ...  Therrrr out there for the Taking, ... just Look" Honor !....  Trickie Teddy, ... Riigght !

 

...  A Bit of a bad Example, I guess, but similar thinking to the Pollies, and the corrupt Greedy Developers !  I think.  (Only they are smart enough to be winners ?  - Well, I always did actually think that he was just working under cover for the DEA or Mi5 ?  Har har ..., like no one that smart, ...could be such a BIG Looser, … I always though ?

 

Ye had a shield with the Union Jack on it, tattooed on his Leg, if that tells you Irish Experts anything ?  …  An Orange man I guess ?  …

 

He could not return to the UK, or Ireland, and well the Dutch Police used to arrest him, pretty regularly, … but all they could do was give him a cup of Tea and the let him go, to go back down to the Salvation army Recreation center ….  And sleep.  …

 

Some might say that I am off subject here, but well, it is just the same thinking as EVERY one who is profiting from the Chinese, including a BLOODY lot of Australians still in Australia !  …  So, maybe an extreme example, ..  But just a really good example of that, Live for today, Money talks, and bullshit walks …Corrupt Thinking.  That is pretty easy to see with the Chinese anywhere … but IS everywhere and with just about ALL of the people that are actually IN POWER !  (Unlike Tricky Teddy, who was not !  He was just ..  Irish I guess ?  Har Har … )

 

[Ctkong]

3 hours ago, Tony125 said:

You realize that China has a surplus of men because of their  1 child per family policy so in time you will see Chinese men coming over and getting Thai brides. Why marry a fat older westerner when you can marry a well off young Chinese guy. As far as buying things  (even if they resell in China) take a look at Terminal 21 Pattaya and other large malls you will see many Chinese walking around with luggage (on wheels) buying stuff and putting in luggage bags. There are even signs in some malls saying luggage holding areas where they can store their full luggage (of stuff the just bought) and return to shop with new luggage they bought and filled up at mall. A lot of them speak English as well. I helped 2 (cute) Chinese girls find something at Terminal 21 Pattaya and they started talking to me in English asking did I know where such and such was.

Younger Chinese tourists are savvy . They are definitely not on zero dollar tours. 

[Ctkong]

3 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

The reselling stuff btw is because many luxury brands refuse to set up shops in china. Due to fakes, local business restrictions etc.

Many Chinese buy hermes bags for example just to resell them in china.

They artificially limit the amount of products/country for price gauging reasons...


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Chinese mainly go to Hong Kong for branded stuff. HK Is more competitive with branded stuff and has the latest models. How I know? My wife and her friends make frequent shopping jaunts to HK just for that activity 

[meshborg]

The vast numbers of tourists in Thailand is another reason my days there are numbered.In the last 15 years the pollution and traffic levels combined with the sucidal drivers and contempt for health,safety and hygene plus the casual racism to stupid farangs has multipled alarmingly.Game over as the t-shirt say.

[Ctkong]

5 hours ago, SymS said:

That looks like a PPP GPD chart instead of a nominal GDP chart. As of 2018 the US GPD is still fairly higher than the Chinese GDP.

The "expert" who has drawn that chart to 2040 has probably not looked at the awful demographics of China. Growth will slow dramatically.

Because competition is very keen in many industries in China, I can see the Chinese escaping the heated market to go overseas to various countries setting up businesses and compete with the locals.  I have seen this with my own eyes in the ASEAN countries. The average Chinese businessman is more shrewd than the locals. The Chinese can afford to hunker down and wear out the competition. Soon, China will emulate Switzerland or Germany in exporting their expertise to the rest of the world  be it technology or financials.

[Ctkong]

1 minute ago, meshborg said:

The vast numbers of tourists in Thailand is another reason my days there are numbered.In the last 15 years the pollution and traffic levels combined with the sucidal drivers and contempt for health,safety and hygene plus the casual racism to stupid farangs has multipled alarmingly.Game over as the t-shirt say.

But in the last 15 years, thailand especially Bangkok has also come far in the amenities. Any savvy world traveller would find Bangkok more agreeable in food and accommodation if he can afford it. 

[atyclb]

22 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

The smart move is to accept that it will be China's world soon that the rest of us will be living in. And prepare accordingly.

 

A few phrases like

How are you? Yes, master. No, master. As you desire.

in Mandarin should be good.

 

But, seriously, I walk by King Power on Soi Rangam, which is Chinese tourists ground 0, every day and some of their women are majorly bangable. Prying them loose from their tour group is another matter but that's where language skills would help.

 

 

need we wonder what inspired your tvf alias?

[Bang Bang]

2 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

 

need we wonder what inspired your tvf alias?

Actually, it was this song:

 

[Ctkong]

3 hours ago, DrTuner said:

I'd prefer that, build them in Nakhon Nowhere and let the flies go to the turd, leave the habitable areas to others.

Well... another self entitled farang. Travel more in the world of Chinese to realize the Chinese tourists you saw in Thailand are the lower tiered social classs in China. The lower class of westerners do not travel much unlike the Chinese. They prefer their comfort zone in their home dwellings. 

[Dek Somboon]

22 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

The smart move is to accept that it will be China's world soon that the rest of us will be living in. And prepare accordingly.

 

A few phrases like

How are you? Yes, master. No, master. As you desire.

in Mandarin should be good.

 

But, seriously, I walk by King Power on Soi Rangam, which is Chinese tourists ground 0, every day and some of their women are majorly bangable. Prying them loose from their tour group is another matter but that's where language skills would help.

My very first thought when I saw the 3 ladies/models above - holy jumping shitballs!!!...????

[pierrenoel]

38.5 millions tourist in thailand and 10 millions chineise it is not 57%.ATTA it is not good,GO  BACK TO SCHOOL

[marcusarelus]

8 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

Well... another self entitled farang. Travel more in the world of Chinese to realize the Chinese tourists you saw in Thailand are the lower tiered social classs in China. The lower class of westerners do not travel much unlike the Chinese. They prefer their comfort zone in their home dwellings. 

You must not have ever lived in Pattaya. 

[pierrenoel]

As an educated thai, I prefer to have more Asians in Thailand be it Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Malaysians etc. After all we are Asians and we have better cultural values than the Westerners!Yes better cultural value,hit somebody and run away,beat women,kill women because you are jalous,fight 10 again one.,YOU ARE RIGHT,DONT LOOSE FACE

[transam]

1 minute ago, pierrenoel said:

As an educated thai, I prefer to have more Asians in Thailand be it Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Malaysians etc. After all we are Asians and we have better cultural values than the Westerners!Yes better cultural value,hit somebody and run away,beat women,kill women because you are jalous,fight 10 again one.,YOU ARE RIGHT,DONT LOOSE FACE

Can you re-write that......I do not understand it...

[malibukid]

7 hours ago, boonrawdcnx said:

Honestly - this article points out everything that is wrong in today’s world where everything and everyone seems to be valued only by the size of their wallet and spending power.

Funny thing is I get the feeling that even if Thailand would receive a 100 million visitors most of the country would still be struggling around the poverty line, struggling to survive while live passes them by.

I have witnessed the changes In the last 30+ years in this country from the wooden immigration desks at Don Muang in 1986 to modern Suvarnabhumi and I must say I am not impressed at all. Somehow this country with all the money it generates seems to stand still or even goes backwards in certain aspects - certainly when it comes to environmental issues - which is one single disaster getting worse every day.

With all the wealth that is supposed to be generated - most people are struggling to make ends meet and the famous Thai smile that was once visible all over the country is long gone - replaced by serious faces haunted by the need to endlessly purchase the crap that advertisements make them believe they need.

While Thailand had some of the best infrastructure compared to other developing countries in the area 30 years ago - it also seems to stand still in this aspect and no high speed train will change that if they can not move forward in 30+ years and cannot even built a proper highway. Drive from let’s say Chiang Mai to Bangkok and you will know what I am talking about because what they call a highway is a country road elsewhere at best.

Public transport is either non existent outside Bangkok or a disaster compared to other countries and has hardly changed in the last 30 years. “Songteows” or sitting in the back of a converted pick-up truck in the sweltering heat seems to be Thailand’s solution for the 20th as well as the 21st century as public transport.

I wonder when this country with all the wealth it supposedly generates will ever join the ranks of developed nations? Decades seem to go by and not much ever happens - from my grandparents to my parents to myself we have witnessed in a relative short period of time the development of most European countries from the ashes of the Second World War to the millennium to become “fully developed nations” who contribute greatly to the international community. Wealth generated was spread - not equally - but produced a strong middle class which ultimately facilitated the development in a very short time period of approx. 30-40 years. Education became the No 1 driver while here it has hardly developed further in the last 30 years and it depends on your families wealth if you can get a good education or not.

Here it seems they have not even managed to facilitate every village with electricity and the same old trains and buses pollute the air like 30 years ago. Uncontrolled development makes the rich richer while destroying the environment.

 

So I wonder where does all this money generated by ever new record numbers of tourists go?

 

And why would anybody want to visit a country that does not care about it’s environment, pollution, poverty, is strewn with garbage wherever you go ( my mother pointed that out to me during her last visit) substandard infrastructure and only values you by the amount of money you are able to spend.

Almost every location that has become popular with tourists over the last 40 years has been destroyed by greed and so will the few destinations left untouched so far in the future.

Something has gone terribly wrong in this country, the smile is gone, the fun is gone and still they have not learned here that money alone cannot make you happy and it will still not make you happy even if a 100 million Chinese or whoever visit.

This country does not need another 40 million Chinese visitors it needs to stop and reflect why things have gone so terribly wrong and what can be done to change this.

Or they can go on juggling numbers and let greed destroy the country further - which is I am afraid - the way this country will choose to go until they count no tourists no more.

 

 

 

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i am watching the demise of Chiang Mai.

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, malibukid said:

i am watching the demise of Chiang Mai.

Ditto Pattaya, Koh Samui and Phuket. Gone from being pearls of the orients to sleazy slums.

[KittenKong]

7 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

It is obvious that you really have a problem with Chinese people.

I dont have a problem with them at all. I just dont like them.

[rickudon]

To many posts to read them all, so what i say probably said already.  A lot of flawed thinking in the OP's post.

 

First, yes there are many chinese tourists and they spend more per day. BUT the average western tourist stays 3 times longer, so spends at least twice as much. Expats? Well, compared to the chinese tourist i probably spend 20 times as much because i am here 40 times longer ....

 

And apart from presents, where do they spend their money? At suvarnabhumi airport last month i went into the ground floor canteen because my daughter wanted some fried rice. It was heaving with Chinese, and the noise was terrible. Fortunately their flight must have been called, because in the space of 5 minutes half the customers left. Very peaceful, and still (some) food left to buy.....

 

Fortunately not yet found in numbers in Hua Hin where we had been. I do think that many westerners feel the tourist spots are getting overcrowded, destroyed and polluted. Not surprised that western tourism in Thailand is stagnant or falling. Mass tourism comes at a cost.

 

Glad i live in Isaan, the chinese haven't got here yet...... When they do, maybe i will have enough to retreat back to sleepy Europe. I'm sure that in 20 years the expat and Thai wife will be a rarity.

[Peterbilt]

13 hours ago, NightSky said:

It won’t end well, here’s why..

 

the chinese like to own things

 

the Thai gov don’t like foreigners owning things

 

 

 

Exactly!
May be one fine day the PM of Thailand will be ordered to the "great leader" in Beijing.
The "great leader" may tell the thai PM that chinese citizens would like to have the right to own land in Thailand.

"Sir, this is our country, only Thai citizens may own land, Sir", the PM may answer the "great leader".
No problem for the "great leader", who may issue an order for his citizens not to visit Thailand any more.......
And down go the tourist numbers, as well as the GDP.
 

[ratcatcher]

22 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

see who replaces the military fascists that currently hold sway now (once they move on from this moral coil) 

"this mortal coil"? The only moral coils this lot have are the springs in their watches.⌚

[dallen52]

6 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Thai free education I believe stops at 15 years of age.  Uniforms and supplies are handed down from one child to the next. 

Bugger.

I picked a Thai lady with only one child. And just turned 16.

[HKindepend]

ChiNa poor to only have money....

[KKr]

On 4/24/2019 at 4:42 PM, seajae said:

looks like this doesnt take in the zero dollar tours, all that money is spent in chinese shops/businesses

that are part of the Thai economy, buy raw materials, have employees, pay taxes, just like any other business in Thailand

[nausea]

And infinitely more dangerous. The big plus about Western tourists is that they're here to have a good time, their chances of taking over the country are something between 0% and zero. History is repeating itself. Why do you think you can't own land or get citizenship, and it's nothing to do with your status as a Farang.

[DrTuner]

3 hours ago, Ctkong said:

While westerners tend to just coop up in one place relaxing by the beach or pool ,taking leisure massages, hours of dining for the duration of their stay, the Chinese will just try to squeeze all sightseeing and shopping into as little time as possible. 

A nightmare holiday. I'd rather chop off my hand with a dull butter knife than be stressed out going from one fleecing point to another non-stop.

[BuckBee]

2 hours ago, KKr said:

that are part of the Thai economy, buy raw materials, have employees, pay taxes, just like any other business in Thailand

They avoid taxes, sell goods imported illegally and move their money illegally .

What thailand gains from these businesses is a lot less than it should be .

Ratchada has several support centres purely for the chinese coaches turn up at after hustling them around esplanade and the railway market like a gabble of geese.

Many of the dedicated chinese tour support businesses etc don't even see baht from the chinese tourists as it all paid in cny as package deal back at the origin . You only got look at the black market import wholesale in Sua Bah to see how expert the chinese are at running illegal business in thailand .