Landlord notification of tenant

[newarrior]

I would really appreciate if someone would be willing to give me some more information on this complicated issue.Perhaps if someone has no knowledge of this new rule as yet, then hopefully this email has put you in the know too.

 

Re: the landlord or Condominium apartment are responsible to complete part of these documents

 

Perhaps if someone has no knowledge of this new rule as yet, then hopefully this email has put you in the know too.

regards,Dave

[Maestro]

Different immigration offices use different lists. What immigration office gave you that list?

[newarrior]

A friend in bangkok

[mtls2005]

Hot topic, many threads, maybe read up then post specific Q's not found?

 

copy and paste: tm 30 site:forum.thaivisa.com

 

Background summary found on FB:

 

There is this law: According to section 38 of the 1979 immigration act, "Land owners House owners, the possessor, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national." If there is no immigration office in the province or locality of the respective house or hotel, the notification is made to the local police station.

 

Simply said if a foreigners stays at a house, hotel etc the owner of the place must report this stay at Immigration within 24 hours.

 

Enforcement of this rule is different at every Immigration Office, best way is to contact them yourself and ask.

 

Immigration translate the possessor of the house as the person who rents/lease the house, so get in contact with the owners to discuss who is going to do this report.
 

[newarrior]

I've been in my house for over a year-and-a-half my landlord is German efficient and I can't imagine he dropped the ball.. I started as an Airbnb and then we convert it into a standard lease .

there's formal paperwork written up and I've been coming into immigration every 90 days and Reporting my location. I guess I could just ask him if he filed the proper paperwork

[NCC1701A]

17 minutes ago, newarrior said:

I guess I could just ask him if he filed the proper paperwork

let us know how it goes.

 

a few posts here on TV about immigration making the tenant doing all the paperwork if the owner does not comply or is absent. sort of a catch 22. so try not to get stuck in the middle. 

[Vacuum]

18 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

let us know how it goes.

 

a few posts here on TV about immigration making the tenant doing all the paperwork if the owner does not comply or is absent. sort of a catch 22. so try not to get stuck in the middle. 

I don't know the BKK rules, but if they're the same as in CM, he can't do an extension (one year) unless a TM30 has been filed.

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, newarrior said:

I guess I could just ask him if he filed the proper paperwork

 

This seems like a logical first step.

 

 

1 hour ago, newarrior said:

I've been coming into immigration every 90 days and Reporting my location

 

When was your last 90-day report?

 

Some reports from Div. 1/CW of in-person, and online, 90-day reports being halted or rejected until the TM-30 issue, assuming unreported, is sorted.

 

 

Is your landlord German, or efficient, or both? He may have avoided reporting you via a TM-30 for AirBnB or tax/revenue issues.

 

 

[newarrior]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

This seems like a logical first step.

 

 

 

When was your last 90-day report?

 

Some reports from Div. 1/CW of in-person, and online, 90-day reports being halted or rejected until the TM-30 issue, assuming unreported, is sorted.

 

 

Is your landlord German, or efficient, or both? He may have avoided reporting you via a TM-30 for AirBnB or tax/revenue issues.

 

 

Last 90 day was 6 weeks ago

[mtls2005]

2 minutes ago, newarrior said:

Last 90 day was 6 weeks ago

 

OK, TM-30 requirement seems to have ramped up at Div. 1/CW ~ 23 April, so either not yet being aggressively enforced when you did your 90-day report, or your landlord has been reporting you.

 

 

[klauskunkel]

did my TM 30 today at Chaeng Wattana. I was a bit late, having arrived on April 30, but the I.O. kindly waived the late fee of 800 baht.

I'm on a retirement extension and co-own condo with my wife, and due to renewal date next month I thought it better to preempt any possible problems...

happy to answer any specific questions

[mtls2005]

49 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

happy to answer any specific questions

 

What documents did you provide/show?

 

How long was the wait?

 

Did you report yourself, or did you have your Wife report you? Did she accompany you?

[newarrior]

1 hour ago, klauskunkel said:

 

happy to answer any specific questions

I am just renting same place since 2017 in BKK-not sure what my landlord did and didn't file..What is needed to be filed ? Filled out ? By whom ? Where ?

[newarrior]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

OK, TM-30 requirement seems to have ramped up at Div. 1/CW ~ 23 April, so either not yet being aggressively enforced when you did your 90-day report, or your landlord has been reporting you.

 

 

I don't think he has done anything..Still sorting out with him..My 90 was about March 25th....I just wrote in my address..I did a renewal my one year retirement renewal/extension 8 months ago...No issues

[newarrior]

2 hours ago, newarrior said:

He may have avoided reporting you via a TM-30 for AirBnB or tax/revenue issues.

Wow explain--Was an Air Bnb for 30 days, then 90 days on a gentleman's agreement then the last 15 months on a formal lease

[klauskunkel]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

What documents did you provide/show?

 

How long was the wait?

 

Did you report yourself, or did you have your Wife report you? Did she accompany you?

TM30, original TM 6, passport 

copy Tabien Bahn (blue book), copy yellow book, copy pink ID, copy passport pages, copy TM 6

 

the wait was about 15min

 

my wife signed the TM30 and copy of blue book, I signed the other copies

 

I went alone

[klauskunkel]

12 minutes ago, newarrior said:

I am just renting same place since 2017 in BKK-not sure what my landlord did and didn't file..What is needed to be filed ? Filled out ? By whom ? Where ?

 

as the "renter' you are also the "possessor" of the apartment, therefore you can fill out and sign the TM30 yourself.

You will need from your landlord:  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID

You will need from yourself: TM30, passport and signed copies, TM6 and signed copy, rental contract

[Leaver]

8 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

as the "renter' you are also the "possessor" of the apartment, therefore you can fill out and sign the TM30 yourself.

You will need from your landlord:  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID

You will need from yourself: TM30, passport and signed copies, TM6 and signed copy, rental contract

Which is all fine, unless the landlord does not want to pay tax, then, the tenant gets nothing, except headaches at visa time. 

[Tanoshi]

10 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

You will need from your landlord:  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID

His landlord is German, so he won't be named in the Blue Tabien Baan.

Possible he has a Yellow Tabien Baan and Thai ID card for foreigners, but doubtful.

 

In which case he will need a signed copy of his German Passport (photo page) and a signed copy of the Title deeds as proof of ownership.

[Leaver]

30 minutes ago, newarrior said:

Wow explain--Was an Air Bnb for 30 days, then 90 days on a gentleman's agreement then the last 15 months on a formal lease

If he doesn't report you as living there, the government doesn't know he is renting out his place.  No tax to pay.  If he reports you as living there, he's now on the radar for paying tax on the rental income.

 

 

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, Leaver said:

If he doesn't report you as living there, the government doesn't know he is renting out his place.  No tax to pay.  If he reports you as living there, he's now on the radar for paying tax on the rental income.

 

 

Although rent he receives is classed as income earned within Thailand, he is entitled to the Personal Tax Allowance, which is circa 30K per month, so unless he owns and rents a number of Condo's, or the OP is paying substantially more a month in rent, there is no a tax liability.

[Leaver]

16 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Although rent he receives is classed as income earned within Thailand, he is entitled to the Personal Tax Allowance, which is circa 30K per month, so unless he owns and rents a number of Condo's, or the OP is paying substantially more a month in rent, there is no a tax liability.

I was under the belief the threshold was 150k, and 10% tax to be paid between 150k and 500k.  

[Tanoshi]

35 minutes ago, Leaver said:

I was under the belief the threshold was 150k, and 10% tax to be paid between 150k and 500k.  

That applies to assessable income above the personal allowance limit.

It's 5% between 150 - 300K

10% between 300 - 500K

However it could have changed as I'm quoting from a 2018 leaflet.

[Leaver]

27 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That applies to assessable income above the personal allowance limit.

It's 5% between 150 - 300K

10% between 300 - 500K

However it could have changed as I'm quoting from a 2018 leaflet.

So where are you getting the tax allowance of 30k from?

 

If the German landlord is renting out his condo for say, 25k a month, that 300k a year.  

 

By your figures, isn't he liable for around  7,500 baht tax per annum?

 

Not big money, but now he is on the radar for other nasty things. 

[moe666]

I went in to do my TM30 and the immigration lady called my landlady and ask her to come in, she told them to forget about I am too busy. My wife came from work and she forged the landladies signature in front of the officer. It was all thank you 1600b please I said ok no problem take it off my rent.

[Leaver]

4 minutes ago, moe666 said:

I went in to do my TM30 and the immigration lady called my landlady and ask her to come in, she told them to forget about I am too busy. My wife came from work and she forged the landladies signature in front of the officer. It was all thank you 1600b please I said ok no problem take it off my rent.

What office was this? 

[newarrior]

2 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

as the "renter' you are also the "possessor" of the apartment, therefore you can fill out and sign the TM30 yourself.

You will need from your landlord:  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID

You will need from yourself: TM30, passport and signed copies, TM6 and signed copy, rental contract

Lordie--how and where do he and I get the TM30, TM6,  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID ? They know my address etc etc from my 90 day check ins why do they need more...?

[newarrior]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

Which is all fine, unless the landlord does not want to pay tax, then, the tenant gets nothing, except headaches at visa time. 

explain

[Leaver]

29 minutes ago, newarrior said:

explain

Ask your landlord for their house book, or ID card, for the purpose of you registering yourself, and see what response you get.

 

No problem if in Thailand for less than 30 days, but go to immigration and apply for an extension, and it has been reported on TV you are up for a 800 baht fine, even though it's the landlords responsibility to register you.  

[klauskunkel]

46 minutes ago, newarrior said:

Lordie--how and where do he and I get the TM30, TM6,  signed copy of the apartment's tabien bahn (blue book), Signed copy of ID ? They know my address etc etc from my 90 day check ins why do they need more...?

The TM30 you can download on this forum.

The TM6 is the Arrival/Departure card you filled on arrival to Thailand. The IO kept the arrival part, and gave the departure part back to you. He probably put it in your passport.

You will have to ask your landlord for a (signed) copy of his ID - if he is Thai, or his passport picture page (also signed) - if he is foreign. Same for the blue book copy - if he is Thai, or yellow book copy and the apartment's title deed copy - if he is foreign.

 

"They know my address etc etc from my 90 day check ins why do they need more...?" Yes, they do. However, they want it again, and again, and again on all kind of different forms. I have great faith that there is a uniquely Thai reasoning as basis for this mystery, but I doubt it will be revealed to us...