British Labour leader Corbyn set to back second Brexit referendum - report

[Jip99]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Good news. This will make Brexiteers go nuts again. I can already hear them

moan “betrayal” and post a collage of Internet memes. 

 

Wrong again.

 

Great news for Brexiteers. 

 

 

[Jip99]

8 minutes ago, Benroon said:

I would happily wager less than 0.00001% of leavers have read the deal - I would further wager a cheeky fiver less than 0.001% of leavers can read!

 

Your stupid insults add no value to the discussion.

 

But, you have been consistent in that respect.

[Jonnapat]

Far, far too late. Should have done it months ago. The Brexit landscape would then have looked much different than it does today.

[Jip99]

55 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Votes are not forever. Things change. We have many votes on all sorts of things and are happy to re-vote after a few years. That's why we have general elections too. Three years of no Brexit and no deal by the party that promised to deliver it?  RE-VOTE you are a democrat after all right?

 

 

Don't change the vote (because you can't accept the result), change the politicians who were mandated to deliver BREXIT and have thus far failed.

[bizboi]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Good news. This will make Brexiteers go nuts again. I can already hear them

moan “betrayal” and post a collage of Internet memes. 

Stop remoaning!!

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

I guess if you repeat a lie long enough some will believe it. A big majority of Labour voters support remain. The only nonsensical evidence purveyors of the falsehood provide is that Corbyn supports, (or supported) leave. Every poll, without exception, proves that's the case. And you don't even need the polls to establish that. There is no way that over 60% of labour voters could support Brexit if the referendum was 52-48. It takes either massive gullibility or a complete inability to cope with basic maths to believe otherwise.

I guess some people still understand real Labour voters.

 

Dave Ward, general secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU), said that campaigning to reverse the referendum result would show that the party’s priorities were “completely wrong” and risk “driving a wedge between Labour and the very people it needs to speak for”.

Writing in The Times Red Box, Mr Ward said that “re-running the referendum will be seen as turning our back on the very people who rightly feel the country does not work for them”, adding: “Take back control was a hugely powerful message three years ago. The so-called People’s Vote campaign . . . seems to have spent the past two years trying to demonstrate why so many people felt moved to act on it in the first place.”

Mr Ward, whose union backed Remain in 2016, said that Labour activists using the European election results as evidence the party should become more pro-EU were guilty of “wishful thinking or a wilful blindness to the results themselves, particularly in many of Labour’s target seats at a general election which broke heavily for Brexit-supporting parties”.

Mr Ward and the CWU endorsed and championed Mr Corbyn during both the 2015 and 2016 leadership elections and the union has a representative on the party’s ruling national executive committee. His comments echo Len McCluskey, general secretary of Unite and another influential ally of Mr Corbyn, who at the weekend urged the party to hold its nerve and avoid a new referendum.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/don-t-back-remain-begs-corbyn-ally-and-cwu-boss-dave-ward-kdfpp87dk

 

 

[Chazar]

Beardie Weirdie would  back anything to get in  power, always reminds me of a throwback to the 60's  teachers, should  have a pipe in his  mouth for  full effect.

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Well the old Loon has got my attention - apart from one aberration and a few times hangovers prevented me getting to the polling station, I have voted Tory all my life HOWEVER if the old fart really offers this up - he will get my vote !!

 

Plus I want to see Diane Abbott in charge of the sums at some point - we could end up with 4000 baht to the pound!

Or 4.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Votes are not forever. Things change. We have many votes on all sorts of things and are happy to re-vote after a few years. That's why we have general elections too. Three years of no Brexit and no deal by the party that promised to deliver it?  RE-VOTE you are a democrat after all right?

"Votes are not forever. Things change. We have many votes on all sorts of things and are happy to re-vote after a few years. That's why we have general elections too."

 

I agree, but the decision of said votes is always enacted before (a few years later) the next vote on the issue!

 

This didn't happen following the brexit referendum result.....

[BobBKK]

Just now, dick dasterdly said:

"Votes are not forever. Things change. We have many votes on all sorts of things and are happy to re-vote after a few years. That's why we have general elections too."

 

I agree, but the decision of said votes is always enacted before (a few years later) the next vote on the issue!

 

This didn't happen following the brexit referendum result.....

True. Whose fault was that?  my philosophy is "we are where we are". Personally I'd like a clear new vote YES (including no deal) or NO.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I guess some people still understand real Labour voters.

 

Dave Ward, general secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU), said that campaigning to reverse the referendum result would show that the party’s priorities were “completely wrong” and risk “driving a wedge between Labour and the very people it needs to speak for”.

Writing in The Times Red Box, Mr Ward said that “re-running the referendum will be seen as turning our back on the very people who rightly feel the country does not work for them”, adding: “Take back control was a hugely powerful message three years ago. The so-called People’s Vote campaign . . . seems to have spent the past two years trying to demonstrate why so many people felt moved to act on it in the first place.”

Mr Ward, whose union backed Remain in 2016, said that Labour activists using the European election results as evidence the party should become more pro-EU were guilty of “wishful thinking or a wilful blindness to the results themselves, particularly in many of Labour’s target seats at a general election which broke heavily for Brexit-supporting parties”.

Mr Ward and the CWU endorsed and championed Mr Corbyn during both the 2015 and 2016 leadership elections and the union has a representative on the party’s ruling national executive committee. His comments echo Len McCluskey, general secretary of Unite and another influential ally of Mr Corbyn, who at the weekend urged the party to hold its nerve and avoid a new referendum.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/don-t-back-remain-begs-corbyn-ally-and-cwu-boss-dave-ward-kdfpp87dk

 

 

What's your definition of "real Labout voters." The minority who voted for Brexit? A real Brit should know that a majority of Labour voters backed remain. In fact, any person with a command of basic maths could figure that one out.

  And where would those labour voters go in the next election? The Brexit Party? What little can be on construed from Farage's stand on other issues, hardly offers temptation to those voters.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

A second peoples vote  - possibly on the choices of May's deal, or remain - is today's phrase that the Labour party will add to their manifesto. Whether Corbyn wants to leave or not won't be up to him.

 

A no-deal would not be on the voting list because parliament would reject it. Why? Because it would sink the UK's economy, and no government would accept that possibility. 

"A second peoples vote  - possibly on the choices of May's deal, or remain - is today's phrase that the Labour party will add to their manifesto."

 

Now that really would be political suicide IMO!

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"A second peoples vote  - possibly on the choices of May's deal, or remain - is today's phrase that the Labour party will add to their manifesto."

 

Now that really would be political suicide IMO!

 

Somebody else who didn't see who benefitted from the vote swing last week. 

[dick dasterdly]

7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Votes are not forever. Things change. We have many votes on all sorts of things and are happy to re-vote after a few years. That's why we have general elections too."

 

I agree, but the decision of said votes is always enacted before (a few years later) the next vote on the issue!

 

This didn't happen following the brexit referendum result.....

 

5 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

True. Whose fault was that?  my philosophy is "we are where we are". Personally I'd like a clear new vote YES (including no deal) or NO.

"True. Whose fault was that?"

 

Politicians and remainers.  It certainly wasn't the fault of those who voted or support leave.

[bizboi]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because the current incumbents are such a roaring success?

But at least they dont have Diane Abbott and Steptoe Corbyn to steer the Marxist ship!!

[Basil B]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Britain's Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn is set to back a second referendum on Brexit and it could be within days, the Mirror newspaper reported late on Tuesday, citing senior figures of the party.

So just who are these "senior figures", as I have pointed out in the past every person in the party seems to be saying something different.

 

The SDP put there success down to "nailling their colours" to the mast by calling for a second referendum. 

[Basil B]

Just before Christmas JC tabled a motion of no confidence vote in the Prime Minister, kind of got lost somewhere, but is was wondering if there were motion of no confidence in the Leader of the Opposition just how many of his MP's would vote? 

[evadgib]

I wonder why she felt this was necessary...

 

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

"True. Whose fault was that?"

 

Politicians and remainers.  It certainly wasn't the fault of those who voted or support leave.

Yep, Brexit through and through.

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

 

 

Taking responsibility for backing a pipe dream with no plan attached,  o way is that accepable.

[welovesundaysatspace]

17 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I wonder why she felt this was necessary...

 

I guess someone who believes coloring a map makes you win an election really must call Donald Dumb for help. Good to know who her allies are. 

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep, Brexit through and through.

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

Taking responsibility for backing a pipe dream with no plan attached,  o way is that accepable.

I do take personal responsibilities for my own actions , I am not a "blame everyone else" kind of guy , but it is the UK Goverments job to implement the will of the people .

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I do take personal responsibilities for my own actions , I am not a "blame everyone else" kind of guy , but it is the UK Goverments job to implement the will of the people .

You’re wrong. Their job is to take it into consideration. They’re not obliged to implement anything. 

[sanemax]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Somebody else who didn't see who benefitted from the vote swing last week. 

There wasnt a vote on Brexit last week and there wasnt a vote swing in the MEP elections last week 

[sanemax]

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

You’re wrong. Their job is to take it into consideration. They’re not obliged to implement anything. 

Well , I dont know the legal rules in referendums , but if a Government holds a referendum , they need to act upon the results , otherwise its pointless even holding a referendum .

   My point was that its not down to myself to implement the result , its not my responsibility to go to Brussels and negotiate with the E,U

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Well , I dont know the legal rules in referendums , but if a Government holds a referendum , they need to act upon the results , otherwise its pointless even holding a referendum .

You’re right that you don’t know the legal rules. They only need to take the result into consideration. It’s advisory only, and therefore not necessarily pointless. 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So he will ignore over 60% of the Labour voters who voted for brexit. He has changed his mind so much nobody believes him anymore. He has forgotten and betrayed the heartland of Labour voters and gone for the champagne Labourites of London and other luvvy lands.

 

The nearest he will get to number 10 is when he gets kicked out of the Labour party and has to walk past it. The sooner the better for me.

 

He will do and say anything, absolutely anything, to increase his chances of being elected to government, as he sees it.

 

Complete hypocrite and been anti Britain all his career. 

 

However, even he realizes that no one voted for a hard Brexit, a soft Brexit or had much idea of the consequences. Chances are Labor would do almost as badly as the Tories in a GE at the moment. He has to do something so backing another referendum is it. Not because he wants to but because he thinks it would lead to more Tory pain, in-fighting and disintergration.

[puck2]

• My heart and my brain are with the remainers. I would like the Brits being a strong member of the EU.

 

But ….....

 

Watching what has happened in the political area since the referendum is heartbreaking. A very soft word for what happened; in reality it is …. a catastrophe . That is the right word for the 3-year situation.

 

Why?

 

The parliament couldn't find any solution in the Brexit-affair because of a deep, deep divide in both parties, the Tories and the Labour. The sad thing, the parliament is just a mirror of the political will in GB, representing a deep divide. Pros and Cons have nearly the same percentage. The problem, The 2016 referendum had a small margin of Leave. Before, and not far away in the future, the mind of the population will change again. After that, vice versa.

 

That means in GB there is a constant yes and no concerning the EU membership. GB is famous for being a cherry-picker, what means is troublesome. The EU will never know what the Brits will think in 5 years. In my private life I would call such a behavior: not reliable, not trustworthy for a long time of the future. I would cut the shop. although it offered amenities.

 

Result.

Let the Brits leave the EU. Referendums are utterly worthless. They never produce and show a constant majority opinion of being an EU member.

• Let them try to fulfill their exit-dreams of „freedom“ etc.

• or let them recognize the big mistake of leaving a well working market and a political union, good for both sides, GB and the EU. And a strong power in the future against China and the USA.

 

After some time (many years) it's up to GB to knock on the EU-door …. or not. I guess the young people/voters already recognized the advantages of the EU. And that's not all about money.

 

Edited May 29, 2019 by puck2

[geoffbezoz]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He will do and say anything, absolutely anything, to increase his chances of being elected to government, as he sees it.

 

Complete hypocrite and been anti Britain all his career. 

 

However, even he realizes that no one voted for a hard Brexit, a soft Brexit or had much idea of the consequences. Chances are Labor would do almost as badly as the Tories in a GE at the moment. He has to do something so backing another referendum is it. Not because he wants to but because he thinks it would lead to more Tory pain, in-fighting and disintergration.

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Well , I dont know the legal rules in referendums , but if a Government holds a referendum , they need to act upon the results , otherwise its pointless even holding a referendum .

   My point was that its not down to myself to implement the result , its not my responsibility to go to Brussels and negotiate with the E,U

 

Referendums can only be advisory in the UK. The Supreme Court have confirmed that. 

 

A government and parliament can take that advice on board, if they wish, but have to decide what to do about it.

 

Parliament, not the government, is sovereign and must decide.

[sanemax]

Contrary to the OP headline , Corbyn stated that his backing for a second referendum OR a General election to let the people decide .

  Could this be a cunning Corbyn plan ?

Hold a General election , Corbyn states Labour is a Leave Party and then all the Brexiteers vote Jeremy into power ?