1 hour ago, Tracyb said:

Except for the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million.  So one should say that he was put in office by the Electoral College.....but he lost the popular vote.  That’s all I’m sayin’! ????

 

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million indeed, and 4 out of these 3 million were coming from just one state: California! 

 

Which means that Trump won the popular vote in 49 out of 50 states... that is if one considers the "Mexican" state of California as part of the Union... 

 

Having said that, a Trump impeachment would send the Second Coming fanatic Pence in the driver's seat, and together with the angels of death Pompeo and Bolton, we could get WWIII before the 2020 elections... yet with Trump we will have to wait until after the elections, which will leave us a little more time to prepare... 

I think the liberals and the dems  are reluctant and very cautious because of the  political implications of impeaching a POTUS who has done nothing wrong  and has what Mr. Trump said ,and if proven through Durham and Horowitz investigation, that there was maleficences by many in the doj and fbi officials  !  I'm kinda wishing they would take it up(impeach) on the house floor so America's swing voter can see the radical dems pandering to their base 

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11 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

The poll results tell me that it's just as I thought that the Americans in the TV forum are dominated by low-information voters.

 

It simply shows like I have been saying all along. The most vocal shrieks are fromthe left. The people on the right don’t comment as much and spend their lives on forums and twitter etc. I am surprised at how many  votes are the first option. You come to this world topic page and would think the entire TV population is a card carrying member of the green socialist ilk.

 

i voted no it is a witch hunt because as usual there is little choice in a poorly thought out poll. I would vote yes start the impeachment proceedings. The dems have had two years and they need to do it now they have had enough time. We all know they won’t win and so do they but it’s time to stop the games and bluffing.

 

Most likely they will try to continue a fishing expedition and use congressional over reach to see if they can get something, anything or manna from heaven. They are clearly afraid to have an election vs. Trump. It isn’t as if all of the people wanting to run against Trump have a terrible and glaring conflict of interest after all.

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey346 said:

They need to send a message by Impeaching Barr and Mnuchin for lying to Congress.

Only then will they have Trump running scared and he just may resign rather than facing jail time charges once he is out of office.

???????????? You are watching way to much CNN and listening to the dems. Barr did not lie and Mnuchin has been following the law.

I ask myself who wants this president removed from office? The simple answer is all those who either don’t understand the founding fathers principles the country was designed for or those that are NWO globalists that find America standing as a shining light against their agenda. A non politician that can’t be controlled is an anathema to them. Someone running the country with the best interests of the general public instead of some political party really irritates them. Ohh one other group wants him gone. People who are really really stupid and want to destroy America by instituting socialism in place of the democratic republic. Only basic stupidity explains their behavior.

2 minutes ago, Kurtf said:

I ask myself who wants this president removed from office? The simple answer is all those who either don’t understand the founding fathers principles the country was designed for or those that are NWO globalists that find America standing as a shining light against their agenda. A non politician that can’t be controlled is an anathema to them. Someone running the country with the best interests of the general public instead of some political party really irritates them. Ohh one other group wants him gone. People who are really really stupid and want to destroy America by instituting socialism in place of the democratic republic. Only basic stupidity explains their behavior.

Boy did you hit the hammer on the nail

This is what happens when you raise the bar for crimes committed by political types too high. 50 years ago, Holder, Clinton (both husband and wife), Comey, Lynch and many others including Obama, who knew about the Russian interference and did nothing about it, would be in prison now, along with Barr, Trump and many others today. The Democrats should not have allowed those Democrats to get away with what they got away with and the Republicans shouldn't allow those Republicans to get away with what they are getting away with today but when people become so stupid that they only care about crimes committed by the opposition, nobody is going to be held accountable for much of anything.

I think he should be impeached even if no chance of conviction.

The only reason he hasn't been impeached so far and I think he will be eventually is a political calculation by Pelosi.

She is predicting it will do more damage to the democrats than good.

But the truth is that it's impossible to predict the political results. It could just as easily turn out to be either neutral or positive for the democrats.

So the decision should not be only about partisan politics.

If the decision is only made based on the constitutional obligations of congress then they must at the very least initiate the beginning process of an Impeachment investigation.

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People crying for impeachment really have no idea what the Law is.

Congress already uncover that the FBI was wire tapping a presidential candidate and then continued after that candidate was elected president.

Both James Comey and Mueller publicly stated that the president was not under investigation.

Mueller was investigating the Russian trying to influence our elections and didn't find one American involved. It's that simple.

People crying for impeachment really have no idea what the Law is.
Congress already uncover that the FBI was wire tapping a presidential candidate and then continued after that candidate was elected president.
Both James Comey and Mueller publicly stated that the president was not under investigation.
Mueller was investigating the Russian trying to influence our elections and didn't find one American involved. It's that simple.

Ever heard of obstruction of justice?

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2 hours ago, bubba45 said:

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘American People’ did not elect Trump, that was the ‘Electoral College’.

You obviously don't understand how the constitution works!  The people are the electoral college.

 

this forum is not the place for understanding

9 hours ago, pegman said:

I absolutely think he is a con man, but the Senate will not convict on the present available evidence so I voted no.

How many politicians in the US or UK are not conmen?

Out of a population of almost 330 million, the best candidates offered were Trump and Clinton!!!

 

The US got what they deserved.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think he should be impeached even if no chance of conviction.
 

 

This is the correct answer.  Trump has violated his oath of office, obstructed justice in some cases and in others attempted to do so, therefore Article 1 of the constitution requires Congress to take corrective action.  Even according to his most fervent supporter, Lindsey Graham, impeachment is not necessarily about criminal wrongdoing. It's about "cleansing the office".

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Haters gonna hate. 

Too bad there isn't a smidgen of evidence of ANY crime. 

It is a bona-fide witch hunt the likes of which have never been seen before in American politics. 

 

MAGA! ???? 

 

2 hours ago, Old Croc said:

 I would like to see this criminal and conman removed from office, even if for no other reason than the fact that my investments plunge in value every time he opens his mouth.

I do think there's enough evidence to support impeachment, but I consider it impossible he could be removed from office because the Republican senate supports his every madness for corrupt reasons of their own.

Pelosi makes sense when she states it would be impossible to convict him as a civilian, if the senate has already exonerated him. 

 

Did  not Trump himself announce in almost glee that "there was not enough evidence! " ?

Not "there isn't a smidgen."

 

3 minutes ago, HHTel said:

Out of a population of almost 330 million, the best candidates offered were Trump and Clinton!!!

 

 

What?  Who said they were the best?  Or is this your opinion?

Making political predictions is perilous but I agree entirely with this one.

When push comes to shove the democrats are going to have no choice but to begin impeachment proceedings against the most criminally corrupt president in American history.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/james-clyburn-trump-eventually-impeached.html

 

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No. 3 House Democrat: Trump Will Eventually Be Impeached

House Majority Whip James Clyburn, the third-highest-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives, said that he believes President Donald Trump will be impeached at some point. At least by the House of Representatives. Before that happens though, Congress must first “effectively educate the public” on why the move would be justified.

 

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9 hours ago, pegman said:

I absolutely think he is a con man, but the Senate will not convict on the present available evidence so I voted no.

What the Senate ultimately decides should not be a factor for the House to begin a formal impeachment investigation. There are (thanks to Department of Justice assigned Special Council) sufficient grounds to begin an impeachment investigation, especially regarding obstruction of justice. 

It's a matter of the U.S. House doing what is right and holding the POTUS accountable for his alleged criminal actions both before and during his term in office as accorded by the U.S. Constitution. To "support and uphold the Constitution" isn't caveated with 'so long as there is unanimity of Congress.' and/or the POTUS. All members of Congress should also be in turn accountable to their electorate to "do their job." 

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

What the Senate ultimately decides should not be a factor for the House to begin a formal impeachment investigation. There are (thanks to Department of Justice assigned Special Council) sufficient grounds to begin an impeachment investigation, especially regarding obstruction of justice. 

It's a matter of the U.S. House doing what is right and holding the POTUS accountable for his alleged criminal actions both before and during his term in office as accorded by the U.S. Constitution. To "support and uphold the Constitution" isn't caveated with 'so long as there is unanimity of Congress.' and/or the POTUS. All members of Congress should also be in turn accountable to their electorate to "do their job." 

Yes and also people think they can predict the outcome of this once it's started.

With impeachment powers invoked congress will have the opportunity to go much deeper in the president's criminal behavior, although technically an actual crime is not even needed to impeach. It's entirely possible considering the criminally corrupt behavior of this con man since his early life that stuff will come out that pushes him into a resignation even before impeachment, as happened with Nixon. Not saying that will happen. Nobody knows what will happen if they proceed.

 

Another point, some people promote the idea that "trump" is some kind of political genius that is never wrong. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes his 2016 win was perhaps the biggest black swan in American history, but consider his tactic for the midterms, demagoguing about evil brown people and lying about his actions on health care. That failed for him miserably. I'm saying this because Pelosi and others understandably feel "trump" is baiting the democrats into impeaching him. I think partly he is but partly to ascribe a long term strategy to him is folly. He doesn't think much further than his latest tweet. The idea is that if he's impeached and not convicted by the senate that he can use it politically as a big win. That is a risk. That is possible. But nobody knows especially after so much negative stuff that will be openly revealed in an impeachment process.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

What the Senate ultimately decides should not be a factor for the House to begin a formal impeachment investigation. There are (thanks to Department of Justice assigned Special Council) sufficient grounds to begin an impeachment investigation, especially regarding obstruction of justice. 

It's a matter of the U.S. House doing what is right and holding the POTUS accountable for his alleged criminal actions both before and during his term in office as accorded by the U.S. Constitution. To "support and uphold the Constitution" isn't caveated with 'so long as there is unanimity of Congress.' and/or the POTUS. All members of Congress should also be in turn accountable to their electorate to "do their job." 

So your suggesting to go after a POTUS  during a presidential campaign( has never done anything criminal) to bring up dirt on his past! Thats political harassment ,I pity the next dem that hold's that seat

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million indeed, and 4 out of these 3 million were coming from just one state: California! 

 

Which means that Trump won the popular vote in 49 out of 50 states... that is if one considers the "Mexican" state of California as part of the Union... 

 

Having said that, a Trump impeachment would send the Second Coming fanatic Pence in the driver's seat, and together with the angels of death Pompeo and Bolton, we could get WWIII before the 2020 elections... yet with Trump we will have to wait until after the elections, which will leave us a little more time to prepare... 

What do you mean by 4 out of 3 million?

Some inflammatory posts have been removed. 

????????????

 

He shall serve even 2nd term. It all depends on how he will finish what he started right before election. 

US people change their vote in a matter of a day.

You will be all surprised.   

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Haters gonna hate. 

Too bad there isn't a smidgen of evidence of ANY crime. 

It is a bona-fide witch hunt the likes of which have never been seen before in American politics. 

 

MAGA! ???? 

 

Of course....plus...

 

Nixon was innocent and Bill never had sex with "that woman". 

 

Hands off our presidents!

 

Rooster

 

 

If congress doesn't impeach this particular criminally corrupt president, they may as well throw their impeachment powers in the garbage. He's the most deserving president of impeachment ever. If they don't impeach, then they are saying that his behavior is normal and OK for any president. That would be deeply damaging to the future of the American democracy. In effect, they must impeach, they will impeach, and whether the impeachment process in itself removes him or not is not as important as some people think. 

11 minutes ago, The Theory said:

????????????

 

He shall serve even 2nd term. It all depends on how he will finish what he started right before election. 

US people change their vote in a matter of a day.

You will be all surprised.   

Another crystal ball gazer.

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million indeed, and 4 out of these 3 million were coming from just one state: California! 

 

Which means that Trump won the popular vote in 49 out of 50 states... that is if one considers the "Mexican" state of California as part of the Union... 

Ahem... Are you certain what you wrote makes sense?

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘American People’ did not elect Trump, that was the ‘Electoral College’.

 

Do grow up! We know you don't like the result. But that's how the American system works to protect the representative rights of all states.

 

At least it's better than some 'democracies" whose systems can't even produce governments on occasion!

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If congress doesn't impeach this particular criminally corrupt president, they may as well throw their impeachment powers in the garbage. He's the most deserving president of impeachment ever. If they don't impeach, then they are saying that his behavior is normal and OK for any president. That would be deeply damaging to the future of the American democracy. In effect, they must impeach, they will impeach, and whether the impeachment process in itself removes him or not is not as important as some people think. 

 

But it's ok for a POTUS to use his power to have sex with some young ladies and then publicly lie to the government and the people. Perjury is fine as long as you hold the "right" political views apparently.

 

 

You have the same situation here as with Bill Clinton.  Bill Clinton was impeached by the house but it was never acted upon by the senate.  The same thing would happen in this case too if the house decides to proceed with impeachment.