SURVEY: Time to start impeachment proceedings?

[The Theory]

15 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Another crystal ball gazer.

Right

Live with it  ????????????

 

[cmarshall]

11 minutes ago, rwill said:

You have the same situation here as with Bill Clinton.  Bill Clinton was impeached by the house but it was never acted upon by the senate.  The same thing would happen in this case too if the house decides to proceed with impeachment.

Here's another low-information voter heard from.  The Senate did indeed try the impeachment of Bill Clinton on two charges.  However, Clinton was acquitted, because the votes on neither charge reached 67. 

 

If McConnell were to refuse to "act upon" articles of impeachment against Trump, it would mean that he refuses to allow the Senate to conduct a trial of impeachment at all, which he Constitution does allow him to do.

[Jingthing]

45 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

But it's ok for a POTUS to use his power to have sex with some young ladies and then publicly lie to the government and the people. Perjury is fine as long as you hold the "right" political views apparently.

 

 

It wasn't OK. He was impeached. About the lie, not the consensual sex. 

[bubba45]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Point of note:

 

The Mueller report has not yet been fully published.

 

Large sections remain redacted.

In defiance of a court order sections and evidence relating to Flynn have not yet been released to the public.

The report includes 14 redacted on going indictments.

There is at least 1 on going grand jury that relates to Mueller’s investigation.

 

Barr is in contempt of Court and Congress, withholding evidence, sections of the report and testimony.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

Holder was in contempt of congress, too. First AG to be held in contempt.  But that didn't seem to bother the left.  Now, Katy bar the door!!!!!!!

Get real.

Let's see what the investigation of the DOJ into how the witch hunt started reveals. That will be fun, I'm sure.

 

The parts of the report he withheld were by law.  You can't just throw out there every little tidbit of info about innocent people that's in the report.  You need better news sources.

[bubba45]

5 hours ago, Tracyb said:

Except for the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million.  So one should say that he was put in office by the Electoral College.....but he lost the popular vote.  That’s all I’m sayin’! ????

 

The popular vote is irrelevant to all but the left.  People know if their state is going blue or red, and they are going to vote in opposition, their vote is irrelevant.  So, for example, conservatives in CA don't bother.  So, the popular vote is completely irrelevant.  Though the left loves to throw that "he lost the popular vote" around.  Totally irrelevant.  He won, and he's the people's choice, whether the left likes it or not.

[bubba45]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Agree.  The Senate Republicans aren't really loyal to Trump; they're only loyal to his supporters...or I should say, afraid of them.  If the impeachment hearings reveal Trump to be the liar and criminal that he is, public opinion will change.  And these cowardly Republicans may actually start to find a spine.  The same happened with Nixon.  

The Senate GOP are Establishment.  They all hate Trump.  So, right you are, they only worry about voters and keeping their jobs!

[bubba45]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Yes. All those wealthy and powerful people he gave huge tax breaks to hate him. And all the big banks and Wall street investment firms that  now labor under lessened restrictions and are once again to crash the American economy just hate him. Not to mention the most that part of the economy most hugely favored by Trump' tax bill: owners of real estate empires.

America had the highest corporate tax rate of any developed country.  Remember when Obama's solution to companies moving offshore was to penalize them somehow?  Clueless.  Lower the tax rate, companies stay home.  But the left can't figure that out.  Tax the rich!!!

[tsocr]

Except for the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million.  So one should say that he was put in office by the Electoral College.....but he lost the popular vote.  That’s all I’m sayin’!  ;-)
 

Donald Trump won 3,084 of America's 3,141 counties in the 2016 presidential election; Hillary Clinton won just 57. I believe this number shows that the popular vote all came from the big cities.

[bubba45]

3 hours ago, Kurtf said:

I ask myself who wants this president removed from office? The simple answer is all those who either don’t understand the founding fathers principles the country was designed for or those that are NWO globalists that find America standing as a shining light against their agenda. A non politician that can’t be controlled is an anathema to them. Someone running the country with the best interests of the general public instead of some political party really irritates them. Ohh one other group wants him gone. People who are really really stupid and want to destroy America by instituting socialism in place of the democratic republic. Only basic stupidity explains their behavior.

Excellent post, you nailed it!!!

[ThaiBunny]

2 minutes ago, bubba45 said:

Lower the tax rate, companies stay home.

American citizens are taxed on their worldwide income. Why should American companies be any different?

[elmrfudd]

1 minute ago, ThaiBunny said:

American citizens are taxed on their worldwide income. Why should American companies be any different?

better look at the tax code then figure out why they set up overseas

[bubba45]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Ever heard of obstruction of justice?

Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Sorry, but he fully cooperated with the investigation.  The only thing he didn't do, which would have been political suicide, was sit for an interview.  What more can you ask for?  Full cooperation, and no finding of collusion.  All this talk of obstruction of justice, be specific!!!  How, exactly???

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, bubba45 said:

Sorry, but he fully cooperated with the investigation.  The only thing he didn't do, which would have been political suicide, was sit for an interview.  What more can you ask for?  Full cooperation, and no finding of collusion.  All this talk of obstruction of justice, be specific!!!  How, exactly???

There are 10 counts of obstruction of justice in the Mueller report. Google is your friend.

"trump" did not fully cooperate. To say so as Barr has done for example is a blatant LIE.

He refused to answer any question on obstruction (clearly his lawyers know he is guilty). 

In the questions he did so call answer, a large quantity were DO NOT RECALL responses.

He can legally say that, but remember the buffoon ran as having the "greatest" memory. Clearly another one of his lies, out of the many thousands of them. 

Then there is this.

 

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Over 370 former federal prosecutors say they would have charged Trump with obstruction if he wasn’t president

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/prosecutors-trump-obstruction-charge-president-2019-5

 

Impeachment is coming. Ready or not. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by Jingthing

[Peterw42]

If its a witchunt, why not the standard process to determine if he is a witch, throw him in the water and if he sinks he wasn't a witch, if he floats he is a witch.

[KiChakayan]

How about: "no because there are forthcoming elections and the country can wait another couple of years" ?

I must admit that I am amazed by the resilience (particularly to idiots) of the US institutions.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, KiChakayan said:

How about: "no because there are forthcoming elections and the country can wait another couple of years" ?

I must admit that I am amazed by the resilience (particularly to idiots) of the US institutions.

The constitution says nothing about the powers of impeachment being limited to times very far from election years.

[elmrfudd]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There are 10 counts of obstruction of justice in the Mueller report. Google is your friend.

"trump" did not fully cooperate. To say so as Barr has done for example is a blatant LIE.

He refused to answer any question on obstruction (clearly his lawyers know he is guilty). 

In the questions he did so call answer, a large quantity were DO NOT RECALL responses.

He can legally say that, but remember the buffoon ran as have the "greatest" memory. 

Then there is this.

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/prosecutors-trump-obstruction-charge-president-2019-5

 

Impeachment is coming. Ready or not. 

no, it isn't. but I do hope they are stupid enough to try it.

 

what IS coming is a load of soon to be released declassified information to

begin unraveling the lies that started the surveillance of American citizens.

 

the rats are beginning to turn on each other, there is no place to hide

[metisdead]

A troll post with deflection accusations has been removed as well as the replies. 

[elmrfudd]

ok

Edited June 3, 2019 by elmrfudd

[attrayant]

20 minutes ago, KiChakayan said:

How about: "no because there are forthcoming elections and the country can wait another couple of years" ?

 

 

 

This is a reason (a bad one) why no president should ever be impeached.  Is that the argument you really wanted to make?

[ThaiBunny]

2 minutes ago, attrayant said:

This is a reason (a bad one) why no president should ever be impeached.  Is that the argument you really wanted to make?

It's an argument why this one should not be impeached: (1) It's simply a distraction for the Democrats aiming for the 2020 elections (2) There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that the Senate will follow through and vote to remove him so it's merely a piece of "virtue signalling" (3) It plays to Trump's strengths in narrowing complex issues down to a single slogan - you can bet we'd get something along the lines of "Lock her up" day in and day out from Trump and his supporters for the next 18 months

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

It's an argument why this one should not be impeached: (1) It's simply a distraction for the Democrats aiming for the 2020 elections (2) There's absolutely no chance whatsoever that the Senate will follow through and vote to remove him so it's merely a piece of "virtue signalling" (3) It plays to Trump's strengths in narrowing complex issues down to a single slogan - you can bet we'd get something along the lines of "Lock her up" day in and day out from Trump and his supporters for the next 18 months

Virtue signaling? More like constitutional obligation. It's coming. Like it or not. 

[riclag]

51 minutes ago, bubba45 said:

Sorry, but he fully cooperated with the investigation.  The only thing he didn't do, which would have been political suicide, was sit for an interview.  What more can you ask for?  Full cooperation, and no finding of collusion.  All this talk of obstruction of justice, be specific!!!  How, exactly???

He must be guilty if he's trash talking Mueller , we heard that for 2-1/2 years! Mueller and his crew of 18 angry dems (according to Mr. Trump).  You had a sense they were prodding him to obstruct! Especially with those coincidental news briefings of Mueller and NY SD  during Helsinki, Argentina and Singapore on 12 Russians and Cohen  testimony to Congress and Cohen appearing in Court to admit to lying to Congress!

How dare he defend himself! What a joke, Impeach bull ! Political Harassment is more like it

Edited June 3, 2019 by riclag

[Tracyb]

4 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

this forum is not the place for understanding

 

7 hours ago, bubba45 said:

You obviously don't understand how the constitution works!  The people are the electoral college.

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

please go for it, as soon as possible. it will be a hilarious failure and you will lose seats in the house.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/31/us/politics/trump-impeachment-congress-list.html

 

but maybe you actually need the votes first?

 

You have no idea what the political result will be of an impeachment investigation and neither does Pelosi. So your bravado about that is just NOISE. 

[Jingthing]

Public support for impeachment trending UP and quickly.

 

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Poll: Support for impeaching Trump rises to 41 percent

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/446511-poll-support-for-impeaching-trump-rises-to-41-percent

[elmrfudd]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

4 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

please go for it, as soon as possible. it will be a hilarious failure and you will lose seats in the house.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/31/us/politics/trump-impeachment-congress-list.html

 

but maybe you actually need the votes first?

 

You have no idea what the political result will be of an impeachment investigation and neither does Pelosi. So your bravado about that is just NOISE. 

you seem very emotional and triggered.

If there is no risk to the party, and you have convinced yourself of guilt you can prove,

then why wait? nothing to lose right?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

you seem very emotional and triggered.

If there is no risk to the party, and you have convinced yourself of guilt you can prove,

then why wait? nothing to lose right?

I'll ignore your flame comments and don't bother with that again.

 

I never said there was NO risk to the party.

But I'm also saying there is ALSO risk to not doing their constitutional duty in this instance.

Why wait?

Because it will be better for the country for the majority of the country to be in favor of this needed process and the way things are going, that majority will probably arrive within three months max.

Why is that? 

Because "trump" continues to obstruct congress.

They are not going to have any choice, majority public approval or not. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by Jingthing

[elmrfudd]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Public support for impeachment trending UP and quickly.

 

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Poll: Support for impeaching Trump rises to 41 percent

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/446511-poll-support-for-impeaching-trump-rises-to-41-percent

sure, asking a thousand people their opinion must be very accurate. 

 

just a question here, what was actually asked in the poll? how was it phrased?

what states were polled? what were their political parties, if any?

 

you think that might be important?

 

[earlinclaifornia]

I like the Neuterin’ Nancy ploy of having iron clad case first.

The poll needed this choice.