SURVEY: Time to start impeachment proceedings?

[Scott]

Since the release of Mueller's report and his public statement, which of the following most closely fits with your opinion?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

[Credo]

Definitely time to start the process.   There is a lot of evidence.   Mueller should be called to testify.

[pegman]

I absolutely think he is a con man, but the Senate will not convict on the present available evidence so I voted no.

[bendejo]

If they can't see a path to victory they will just be making fools of themselves and will go down in their own disgrace, like the Republicans did with the Bill Clinton impeachment and later on with the semi-perpetual Benghazi inquisition.  Unless there is some sort of revolt in the GOP it'll never pass the Senate.

But they can do some tactical maneuvers at first, like get rid of Mitch McConnell.  The Dems should find a way to get him on that Rusal/Kentucky deal he bulldozed through the Senate, that was an Old South Kingfish tactic pure and simple.  And I'm sure if the Dems look harder they could find other monkey business to nail him with.

As for DT, someone on the Dem side should be nagging them that the Mueller-obstruction-collusion business is only one cupcake on the tray.  I have zero doubt that DT and Family are enriching themselves due to his position, and hey, I'm only a schmuck who reads the newspapers: they have access to much more than I do.  That deal he cut with Chinese businessmen about developing a resort in Indonesia would be a nice start. 

And then there's Mother Nature.  As those of us of a, err, ahem!, certain age are well aware the older we get the more we become aware of our mortality.  DT is 73, Mitch is 77.  When DT does his spot press visits on the WH lawn notice that when shot from certain angles there is an ambulance parked on the grounds, never saw this with any previous president.  Always.  Supposedly the heart attack that took down Scalia was the type called a widowmaker, it's all over in an instant (this was told to me by my neighbor, who has taken a keen interest in the subject since having a heart attack himself). 

Another argument against impeachment is Pence.  The one positive about DT is he is not an ideologue, no philosophical credo or catechism (other than "me me me").  Pence, on the other hand, would be a stooge for conservatives, Christian right, and the big-money interests, leaving the running of things in the hands others, even worse than W.

 

But back to McConnell, he is the stumbling block on this subject.  He may be back-stabbing and ruthless, but he is also calculating and effective.  He made his announcement of blocking Obama filling a Supreme Court vacancy while Scalia's corpse was still warm.

Gotta think a few moves ahead, folks.  You gotta take out the bishop (or rook, knight, queen et al) before you go for the king.  No one seems to be factoring in the possibility of impeachment or failing health when projecting about the upcoming election.  I'd like to see DT impeached in September 2020, the GOP thrown into utter chaos!

 

 

Edited June 2, 2019 by bendejo

[Basil B]

He is as mad as a hatter...

 

Needs removing from office before he starts WWIII

[Boon Mee]

Haters gonna hate. 

Too bad there isn't a smidgen of evidence of ANY crime. 

It is a bona-fide witch hunt the likes of which have never been seen before in American politics. 

 

MAGA! ???? 

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, pegman said:

I absolutely think he is a con man, but the Senate will not convict on the present available evidence so I voted no.

I agree the Republican-controlled Senate will not agree to vote to convict. Still, I am going to lean toward public exposure of the wrongdoing by The Donald his family and followers. The point for me is that POTUS doing wrong must be held accountable by Congress (even if history will reflect only one chamber exposing). It is sad that the Senate did not earlier join the house in reining The Donald in...

[berrec]

OMG the American people had their day in 2016 and voted for a candidate that was not of the typical Washington DC establishment to get the country moving again and take on the swamp and all those blood sucking politicians.

 

He has done what the Americans voters wanted him to do in spite of the deep state attempts to take him out.

 

Facts will always Trump fiction and fake news.

 

Give the guy some credit for his achievements.

 

Mueller’s investigation, a complete hoax fabricated on the insurance policy from the deep state... 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, berrec said:

OMG the American people had their day in 2016 and voted for a candidate that was not of the typical Washington DC establishment to get the country moving again and take on the swamp and all those blood sucking politicians.

 

He has done what the Americans voters wanted him to do in spite of the deep state attempts to take him out.

 

Facts will always Trump fiction and fake news.

 

Give the guy some credit for his achievements.

 

Mueller’s investigation, a complete hoax fabricated on the insurance policy from the deep state... 

The ‘American People’ did not elect Trump, that was the ‘Electoral College’.

[bubba45]

10 minutes ago, berrec said:

OMG the American people had their day in 2016 and voted for a candidate that was not of the typical Washington DC establishment to get the country moving again and take on the swamp and all those blood sucking politicians.

 

He has done what the Americans voters wanted him to do in spite of the deep state attempts to take him out.

 

Facts will always Trump fiction and fake news.

 

Give the guy some credit for his achievements.

 

Mueller’s investigation, a complete hoax fabricated on the insurance policy from the deep state... 

Yep, the establishment hates him.  How dare someone, not a politician, try to show them up?  And show them up he has.  Despite unprecedented opposition from both sides of the aisle, he's done more in 3+ years than most morons do in eight.  Let's hope he gets another four!   #MAGA

[bubba45]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘American People’ did not elect Trump, that was the ‘Electoral College’.

You obviously don't understand how the constitution works!  The people are the electoral college.

[Chomper Higgot]

At present the Senate would not convict on any evidence, and that assumes Mitch McConnell would permit an impeachment hearing in the Senate.

 

But that can change, and the way to change it is public opinion.

 

Leader of the House Pelosi is playing this smartly, continue with the hearings, continue raising public awareness of the crimes and corruption of this President and his administration.

 

Start with Barr, now in contempt of both Court and Congress.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, bubba45 said:

You obviously don't understand how the constitution works!  The people are the electoral college.

You obviously don’t understand how the electoral college works.

 

Here’s a clue, abolishing the electoral college would not reduce ‘the people’ by any number of living Americans whatsoever.

[Chomper Higgot]

Point of note:

 

The Mueller report has not yet been fully published.

 

Large sections remain redacted.

In defiance of a court order sections and evidence relating to Flynn have not yet been released to the public.

The report includes 14 redacted on going indictments.

There is at least 1 on going grand jury that relates to Mueller’s investigation.

 

Barr is in contempt of Court and Congress, withholding evidence, sections of the report and testimony.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[Old Croc]

 I would like to see this criminal and conman removed from office, even if for no other reason than the fact that my investments plunge in value every time he opens his mouth.

I do think there's enough evidence to support impeachment, but I consider it impossible he could be removed from office because the Republican senate supports his every madness for corrupt reasons of their own.

Pelosi makes sense when she states it would be impossible to convict him as a civilian, if the senate has already exonerated him. 

 

[Tracyb]

50 minutes ago, berrec said:

OMG the American people had their day in 2016 and voted for a candidate that was not of the typical Washington DC establishment to get the country moving again and take on the swamp and all those blood sucking politicians.

 

He has done what the Americans voters wanted him to do in spite of the deep state attempts to take him out.

 

Facts will always Trump fiction and fake news.

 

Give the guy some credit for his achievements.

 

Mueller’s investigation, a complete hoax fabricated on the insurance policy from the deep state... 

Except for the fact that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million.  So one should say that he was put in office by the Electoral College.....but he lost the popular vote.  That’s all I’m sayin’!  ;-)

 

[metisdead]

A post containing a derogatory representation of the Democrat Party has been removed as well as the replies. 

[Tug]

Im behind the impeachment inquiry to get more evidence in public view knowing the humiliated and terrified gop will never convict 

[Jeffrey346]

They need to send a message by Impeaching Barr and Mnuchin for lying to Congress.

Only then will they have Trump running scared and he just may resign rather than facing jail time charges once he is out of office.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, berrec said:

OMG the American people had their day in 2016 and voted for a candidate that was not of the typical Washington DC establishment to get the country moving again and take on the swamp and all those blood sucking politicians.

 

He has done what the Americans voters wanted him to do in spite of the deep state attempts to take him out.

 

Facts will always Trump fiction and fake news.

 

Give the guy some credit for his achievements.

 

Mueller’s investigation, a complete hoax fabricated on the insurance policy from the deep state... 

Huge tax breaks for the rich and powerful? Allowing health insurers to deny coverage or make it prohibitively expense for those with pre-existing conditions? Deregulating banks and wall street?

[Gimino]

Tug: "....to get more evidence in public view..." I must ask what evidence, let alone more. Humiliated

and terrified GOP? lol The only humiliation is that issued daily by the likes of your Pelosi, Waters and

AOC. Many would suggest that you are a victim of the Hate Trump Syndrome. I would agree. Let me

suggest that you run, take a cold shower and more importantly, educate yourself in the realm of American

politics. All The Best!

[roobaa01]

yes a witch hunt 53 % here and in the us dont want the impeachment crap continued. 

i had the pleasure to watch the dem ca convention for dem socialist losers where all the dem hopeful losers like harris, warren....tried desparately to be clinging onto their unsuccessful anti-trump campaign. 5000 loser acitivists booed at a reality dem ex govenor hickenlooper for his reality approach, that socialism was thrash, wonderful tolerance. hiden biden preferred not to be present to cuti nto the deranged impeachment chorus .

[dcutman]

Never mind, the dems will never get Trump impeached. What are haters gonna do when he is reelected? In a landslide.

[Fairynuff]

2 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Haters gonna hate. 

Too bad there isn't a smidgen of evidence of ANY crime. 

It is a bona-fide witch hunt the likes of which have never been seen before in American politics. 

 

MAGA! ???? 

Love your sense of humour

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, dcutman said:

Never mind, the dems will never get Trump impeached. What are haters gonna do when he is reelected? In a landslide.

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

At present the Senate would not convict on any evidence, and that assumes Mitch McConnell would permit an impeachment hearing in the Senate.

 

But that can change, and the way to change it is public opinion.

 

Leader of the House Pelosi is playing this smartly, continue with the hearings, continue raising public awareness of the crimes and corruption of this President and his administration.

 

Start with Barr, now in contempt of both Court and Congress.

Agree.  The Senate Republicans aren't really loyal to Trump; they're only loyal to his supporters...or I should say, afraid of them.  If the impeachment hearings reveal Trump to be the liar and criminal that he is, public opinion will change.  And these cowardly Republicans may actually start to find a spine.  The same happened with Nixon.  

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, bubba45 said:

Yep, the establishment hates him.  How dare someone, not a politician, try to show them up?  And show them up he has.  Despite unprecedented opposition from both sides of the aisle, he's done more in 3+ years than most morons do in eight.  Let's hope he gets another four!   #MAGA

Yes. All those wealthy and powerful people he gave huge tax breaks to hate him. And all the big banks and Wall street investment firms that  now labor under lessened restrictions and are once again to crash the American economy just hate him. Not to mention the most that part of the economy most hugely favored by Trump' tax bill: owners of real estate empires.

Edited June 3, 2019 by bristolboy

[cmarshall]

Since impeachment is both a political and a legal action, it is appropriate to take into account the political consequences to the extent that one can foresee them, which many not be much.  But since it is also a legal action, the Dems will be forced in the end to initiate impeachment proceedings or else they will become complicit in Trump's attack on the rule of law.  

 

But since we know that impeachment will not result in Trump's removal from office by the Senate, it is fair to ask why initiate a fight we will lose.  The reason is live testimony before the tv cameras in the Congress.  In the Watergate era, the report of the Special Prosecutor was not made public.  For the public the impeachment of Nixon began with John Dean's testimony to the Ervin committee in which he accused Nixon of crimes he had witnessed.  A string of similar John Dean moments coming from McGahn, Hicks, Mueller, and others is essential to apprise the American public of Trump's extensive criminal activities.  Only then will the process begin.

 

So, Nadler and the other committee chairmen have to use maximum force to prevent Trump from succeeding in suppressing the public testimony.  They should impose $50k fines per day for not answering a subpoena and put in jail those who persist under Congress's inherent contempt powers, which are not subject to a presidential pardon.  They will crack.  Nadler doesn't need to launch an impeachment inquiry in particular to conduct such an investigation.  He can do it right now and should.

 

It now looks like Pelosi's slow-walking of impeachment is actually due to the fact that she doesn't have the votes to pass a motion to launch an impeachment inquiry because the Dems from purple districts are afraid of the backlash.  When public testimony changes public opinion the willingness of Dem reps to go nuclear may change also.

 

By the way, if the House were to pass articles of impeachment I expect McConnell simply to refuse to conduct the required trial in the Senate.  The Constitution specifies that

 

The Senate shall have sole power to try impeachments.

 

But this text does not impose an obligation on the Senate to do so.  When McConnell considers his options to shut down impeachment, refusing the trial affords him the option of squelching public testimony.  So, I think this is the route he will take.  The Dems will howl, but that never bothered him in the past.

 

The goal is to put a Dem in the White House by winning the election rather than trying to get to 67 votes in the Senate.

[cmarshall]

The poll results tell me that it's just as I thought that the Americans in the TV forum are dominated by low-information voters.

Edited June 3, 2019 by cmarshall

[AgMech Cowboy]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

I agree the Republican-controlled Senate will not agree to vote to convict. Still, I am going to lean toward public exposure of the wrongdoing by The Donald his family and followers. The point for me is that POTUS doing wrong must be held accountable, etc...

And the same goes for Barak, Hillary and Joe.

Edited June 3, 2019 by AgMech Cowboy