Don't fret, Trump tells nervous Ireland, Brexit will work out 'very well'

[Mavideol]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

rump's sons, Eric and Donald Jr., joined the festivities, going from pub to pub posing for selfies and buying drinks for the patrons from behind each bar.

it appears to be the other way around.... like father like sons, give us some free drinks and free food

[ballpoint]

Interesting that this meeting took place in the VIP lounge at Shannon Airport because Varadkar refused to travel to Trump's choice - his golf course at Doonbeg (which was named after Trump, but misspelled), fearing it would be turned into a publicity stunt for Trump's property (and he'd no doubt receive a bill for his visit too).  Way to go POTUS! Have talks with a foreign leader, in his own country, at an airport lounge.  I'll bet he ate all the pastries from the pie warmer too.

[Mavideol]

8 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Just how ignorant can one get regarding the Irish border. There is NO comparison whatsoever between the respective borders.

since when does Trump knows anything about foreign countries and their policies, comparing apples and oranges

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

I've tried getting an answer from these Trump supporters before and they seem to be rather shy about providing their news source.  I'm guessing they get their news directly from the Liar-in-Chief's mouth or his Twitter feed.  Sad!

did you try RT.... they are good friends of Donald

[Laughing Gravy]

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Perhaps he should talk to those affected by the bloody violence of the "Troubles" before he talks about not worrying about brexit and the consequences it will have on the Good Friday Agreement...

Or perhaps he isn't worried or concerned about the EU using Ireland as a bargaining chip. As for those troubles you talk about. I hope you were there, so to know exactly what it means. As far as the good Friday agreement. It has nothing to do with the EU and Brexit. You are being sold a lie. Maybe Mr. Trump isn't as stupid as you think.

 

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Or perhaps he isn't worried or concerned about the EU using Ireland as a bargaining chip. As for those troubles you talk about. I hope you were there, so to know exactly what it means. As far as the good Friday agreement. It has nothing to do with the EU and Brexit. You are being sold a lie. Maybe Mr. Trump isn't as stupid as you think.

 

It was Eire that raised the issue of the consequences of brexit on the Good Friday Agreement.

 

When the U.K. singularly failed to respond to its government’s attempts to find a solution, they went to the EU governments and made sure it was raised as an issue. 

 

I know a lie when I see one. 

[Loiner]

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

It was Eire that raised the issue of the consequences of brexit on the Good Friday Agreement.

 

When the U.K. singularly failed to respond to its government’s attempts to find a solution, they went to the EU governments and made sure it was raised as an issue. 

 

I know a lie when I see one. 

Well spotted there. Ireland and the EU both making up lies about Brexit having some sort of an affect on the GFA. Only their insistence on the false need for a hard border made it an issue. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Well spotted there. Ireland and the EU both making up lies about Brexit having some sort of an affect on the GFA. Only their insistence on the false need for a hard border made it an issue. 

What is a “false need” supposed to be? Whether I need something or not is completely up to me. What the EU needs is certainly not a Brexiteer’s business. Focus on your needs, such as your Good Friday Agreement. 

[Loiner]

18 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What is a “false need” supposed to be? Whether I need something or not is completely up to me. What the EU needs is certainly not a Brexiteer’s business. Focus on your needs, such as your Good Friday Agreement. 

EU and Ireland's false need for a hard border has already been done to death on previous topics. Did you miss those on spaced out days? What goes on between Ireland and the UK is not up to you, wherever you sit in a corner of the EUsuperstate.

Donald tells it like it is again "...it's going to work out very well".

[Chomper Higgot]

I thought others were being rather negative and judgemental towards our fellow TVF member, but perhaps they had more realistic expectations than I.

 

As it is, no response from Loiner to my question regarding which news sources we should go to if we are not to trust what he refers to as the ‘MSN’.

 

I was told that was to be expected.

 

I still have hopes that Loiner will tell us where we can find news he deems truthful and reliable.

 

Come on Loiner, prove your detractors wrong.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

since when does Trump knows anything about foreign countries and their policies, comparing apples and oranges

He read it in a bo... ah no wait, he saw it on Fox news.

[soalbundy]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

EU and Ireland's false need for a hard border has already been done to death on previous topics. Did you miss those on spaced out days? What goes on between Ireland and the UK is not up to you, wherever you sit in a corner of the EUsuperstate.

Donald tells it like it is again "...it's going to work out very well".

With a border, it is up to the EU, Ireland is an EU member state and borders on NI

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Well spotted there. Ireland and the EU both making up lies about Brexit having some sort of an affect on the GFA. Only their insistence on the false need for a hard border made it an issue. 

Nothing false or untrue about Eire’s legitimate concerns over brexit and The Good Friday Agreement. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nothing false or untrue about Eire’s legitimate concerns over brexit and The Good Friday Agreement. 

More than that, as a member of the EU Eire can utilize it’s membership to obtain a greater collective bargaining power. 

 

This collective bargaining power of the EU is an important and effective means for individual member nations to protect their own interests against larger more powerful nations.

 

It is a text book example of the sovereign interests of a member nation being protected by means of its EU membership.

 

 

Edited June 6, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[Loiner]

34 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I thought others were being rather negative and judgemental towards our fellow TVF member, but perhaps they had more realistic expectations than I.

 

As it is, no response from Loiner to my question regarding which news sources we should go to if we are not to trust what he refers to as the ‘MSN’.

 

I was told that was to be expected.

 

I still have hopes that Loiner will tell us where we can find news he deems truthful and reliable.

 

Come on Loiner, prove your detractors wrong.

 

 

Go look for yourself. 

[Loiner]

27 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

With a border, it is up to the EU, Ireland is an EU member state and borders on NI

Then not a UK or Brexit problem.

[Loiner]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nothing false or untrue about Eire’s legitimate concerns over brexit and The Good Friday Agreement. 

All false and untrue. Another failed attempt to thwart Brexit, by the EU, Ireland and Theresa May.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Go look for yourself. 

So easily owned.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

All false and untrue. Another failed attempt to thwart Brexit, by the EU, Ireland and Theresa May.

You are wrong and if you had any idea of the issues brexit causes, regarding the Good Friday Agreement, you would realise it. 

 

Eire tried to reach an agreement with the U.K., even offering an ad hoc arrangement where problems could be solved as they arose.

 

This would have helped avoid many of the problems now facing the brexiteers.

 

The U.K. govt did nothing to respond to these overtures and is now paying the price. 

 

Eire’s concerns are real and they have ensured they are front and centre. 

 

I will agree May has to take a lot of the blame as it was her inept leadership that failed to grasp the opportunity Eire offered them. 

 

Edited June 6, 2019 by Bluespunk

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Loiner said:

All false and untrue. Another failed attempt to thwart Brexit, by the EU, Ireland and Theresa May.

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

[Mavideol]

55 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I thought others were being rather negative and judgemental towards our fellow TVF member, but perhaps they had more realistic expectations than I.

 

As it is, no response from Loiner to my question regarding which news sources we should go to if we are not to trust what he refers to as the ‘MSN’.

 

I was told that was to be expected.

 

I still have hopes that Loiner will tell us where we can find news he deems truthful and reliable.

 

Come on Loiner, prove your detractors wrong.

 

 

u r funny lad 555

[Becker]

19 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Go look for yourself. 

Please realize that not everyone have access to the Twilight Zone.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Becker said:

Please realize that not everyone have access to the Twilight Zone.

Or voices in their head.

[soalbundy]

37 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Then not a UK or Brexit problem.

It's a problem alright, for the UK and NI due to Brexit. Since the Rep. of Ireland is a EU member state the EU can raise a border, end of story, not their problem. It can be solved of course, Ni is reunited with Ireland where it belongs.

Edited June 6, 2019 by soalbundy

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

EU and Ireland's false need for a hard border has already been done to death on previous topics. Did you miss those on spaced out days?

Look, no one cares what you consider as a false need. What the EU’s needs are decides the EU alone. 

 

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What goes on between Ireland and the UK is not up to you, wherever you sit in a corner of the EUsuperstate.

Exactly, so focus on your agreement with Ireland rather then telling others what you think their needs should be. 

 

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Donald tells it like it is again "...it's going to work out very well".

You must be pretty desperate if you have to cite Donald Dumb as a reference. 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

You are wrong and if you had any idea of the issues brexit causes, regarding the Good Friday Agreement, you would realise it. 

 

Eire tried to reach an agreement with the U.K., even offering an ad hoc arrangement where problems could be solved as they arose.

 

This would have helped avoid many of the problems now facing the brexiteers.

 

The U.K. govt did nothing to respond to these overtures and is now paying the price. 

 

Eire’s concerns are real and they have ensured they are front and centre. 

 

I will agree May has to take a lot of the blame as it was her inept leadership that failed to grasp the opportunity Eire offered them. 

 

No, you are wrong. Brexit causes no issues to the GFA, only those that the EU and Ireland create. Their only concerns were to try and stop Brexit.
May's blame here is not particularly her inept 'leadership', but lies in her bungled attempt to bring back her Surrender Treaty and believe that the UK would fall for their poorly hidden trickery. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

It's a problem alright, for the UK and NI due to Brexit. Since the Rep. of Ireland is a EU member state the EU can raise a border, end of story, not their problem. It can be solved of course, Ni is reunited with Ireland where it belongs.

If Ireland were to enforce a hard border, then it's Ireland's problem with failing to keep the GFA, not the UK's problem. Is the EU going to send a gang of Poles to build one??
Can still be solved of course, by leaving it where it is and keeping it as it is.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, you are wrong. Brexit causes no issues to the GFA, only those that the EU and Ireland create. Their only concerns were to try and stop Brexit.
May's blame here is not particularly her inept 'leadership', but lies in her bungled attempt to bring back her Surrender Treaty and believe that the UK would fall for their poorly hidden trickery. 

The Irish government says it causes problems for the Good Friday Agreement, but you know otherwise. 

 

Must be those secret 'reliable and truthful' sources of yours.

 

[Loiner]

39 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Look, no one cares what you consider as a false need. What the EU’s needs are decides the EU alone. 

 

Exactly, so focus on your agreement with Ireland rather then telling others what you think their needs should be. 

 

You must be pretty desperate if you have to cite Donald Dumb as a reference. 

 

 

I'd say you care Fritzy, otherwise why your replies? Is the EU going to enforce a hard border between the two countries. How and by whom would that be done? I doubt the Irish would, so possibly a bunch of Germans as you seem quite insistent about it.
The GFA stays, as agreed between Ireland and the UK. without more EU meddling in the affairs of sovereign states.

I don't need Donald to tell me how right he is, because I already know. Obviously you and the EU do need his advise because you are now becoming the desperate ones.

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, you are wrong. Brexit causes no issues to the GFA, only those that the EU and Ireland create. Their only concerns were to try and stop Brexit.
May's blame here is not particularly her inept 'leadership', but lies in her bungled attempt to bring back her Surrender Treaty and believe that the UK would fall for their poorly hidden trickery. 

Your devotion to brexit refuses you to allow that for others there are  problematic issues because of it. 

 

Issues the british govt was given an opportunity to resolve and whose ineptitude meant they blew the chance. 

 

There are none so blind as those who will not see.  

Edited June 6, 2019 by Bluespunk