Two women injured in UK homophobic attack 'for refusing to kiss'

[bkkatl]

9 hours ago, Yinn said:

Why the farangs hate the LGBT so much? The religion?

 

Up to them. Why other people hate it? Not their business.

Uh... Farangs? You mean some westerners? As compared to other Asian nations where it's still punished by the death penalty. What about SE Asian nations like Brunei, Indonesia, Myanmar, and Malaysia? Farangs? It isn't a farangs thing only. But a fault in our human condition to attack that which is different.  You should here the abuse the openly gay kids take at my Thai public school.

 

But your right about one thing in most of these places it's the religion.

Edited June 8, 2019 by bkkatl
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[Seth1a2a]

9 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Too bad the women didn't have tasers or stun guns...wait those are illegal in the UK.  Even pepper spray is illegal?!

How are unarmed people supposed to defend themselves against these ruffians? 

Not sure what the overall outcome of this event will be, but I would bet serious money that this was not the first time these perpetrators were involved in this type of activity. 

   The 1984 incident involving Bernhard Goetz who shot 4 young men in a subway comes to mind here.  It was the culmination of unchecked and rampant aggressive behavior towards innocent law abiding citizens similar to the two ladies mentioned here. Goetz had been permanently injured in a previous altercation and decided to arm himself (illegally).  He was found not guilty of all charges except the illegal concealment of a weapon and served 8 months. 

 

The Irony of ironies is that you have to commit a crime to prevent a crime from happening. 

 

 

 

 

 

[jspill]

9 hours ago, Yinn said:

Why the farangs hate the LGBT so much? The religion?

 

Up to them. Why other people hate it? Not their business.

The race of the attackers hasn't been revealed. Over 50% of London is not farang.

 

Farang means white. White countries are actually more friendly to LGBT than Thailand, they have legal gay marriage, Thailand doesn't. They have entire gay pride months, whereas Bangkok went 11 years without allowing a one day gay pride parade.

Edited June 8, 2019 by jspill

[jspill]

7 hours ago, Yinn said:

I not say LGBT is a religion. I ask if farangs hate them BECAUSE of farang religion.

 

like this one... he hate them BECAUSE of the religion

 

http://www.ladbible.com/news/sport-israel-folau-in-hot-water-again-after-saying-gays-go-to-hell-20190410

That's not a farang, both his parents are Polynesian race, which actually shares genetic origins with Southeast Asia...

Edited June 8, 2019 by jspill

[Ceruhe]

Oh come on Sadiq, that's just part and parcel of living in a big city.

[bluesofa]

39 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

I thought it was a motability car .. 

 

Why have you been on the Dykes brown .. 

 

If only, but I don't think either of them would let me anywhere near them, even after I'd got to the 'bottom' of the bottle.

 

edit: Anyway, I'm more of a pink gin guy.

 

Edited June 8, 2019 by bluesofa

[Yinn]

9 hours ago, faraday said:

Who says they do?

 

I certainly don't, & all the people with whom I associated with, when I lived in the UK didn't.

 

 

 

 

Really.

Are all the LGBT lie?

 

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-hate-crime-and-discrimination

[ivor bigun]

 
 
Really.
Are all the LGBT lie?
 
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-hate-crime-and-discrimination

I can quite believe that British trans guys get stick ,every one i have ever seen just looks like a man in drag,unlike ladyboys over here that at least look like women.

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[faraday]

18 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

 

Really.

Are all the LGBT lie?

 

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-hate-crime-and-discrimination

"One in five LGBT people (21 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months"

 

So 79% didn't.

 

I stand by my observation & experience.

[TheHangingJudge]

12 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Can it be homophobic and misogynistic at the same time?

Surely it's either one or the other.

 

Were they tourists? (as one of them  didn't speak English)

Quite a few don’t you know maybe in the thousands if the truth be known.

[Yinn]

49 minutes ago, faraday said:

"One in five LGBT people (21 per cent) have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation and/or gender identity in the last 12 months"

 

So 79% didn't.

 

I stand by my observation & experience.

In the last 12 months. 

How about since five years? Everyone? And some people two times or not?

 

21% every year. About 30 million LGBT farang. Only 6 million per year. You say no problem. 

Ok. Up to you.

 

 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Yinn said:

In the last 12 months. 

How about since five years? Everyone? And some people two times or not?

 

21% every year. About 30 million LGBT farang. Only 6 million per year. You say no problem. 

Ok. Up to you.

 

 

An "incident" could be a male  transsexual not being allowed into a womans toilet 

[faraday]

13 minutes ago, Yinn said:

In the last 12 months. 

How about since five years? Everyone? And some people two times or not?

 

21% every year. About 30 million LGBT farang. Only 6 million per year. You say no problem. 

Ok. Up to you.

 

 

No, it means 21% of the LGBT, not total UK population.

 

 

[stevenl]

I see the homophoops are out in droves while pretending not to be.

[RJRS1301]

10 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

I can quite believe that British trans guys get stick ,every one i have ever seen just looks like a man in drag,unlike ladyboys over here that at least look like women.

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Trans people are living their life in their affirmed gender, I am sure there are many who have passed you unnoticed, some look “passable” others do not. Same as some older blokes have bald heads and beer guts and others do not.

 

[RJRS1301]

I hope the women recover,another display of toxic masculinity and probably fuelled by alcohol,damn poor examples of males.

[RJRS1301]

Reading some of the posts here, makes me shake my head in disbelief.

 

[RJRS1301]

To the poster who spoke of NORMAL behaviour and exhibitonist. For gay men and lesbians the behaviour is NORMal for them. You displayed the usual heteronormative biase in your post.

Incidently  the term  normal should be a cycle on a washing machine or dishwasher, not a human trait, it depends on socialisation etc as to community behaviours. Just my personal opinion

Edited June 8, 2019 by RJRS1301

[faraday]

17 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I hope the women recover,another display of toxic masculinity and probably fuelled by alcohol,damn poor examples of males.

I agree with everything you say, it was disgusting.

 

Concerned about your use of Toxic masculinity though; do you think there's a toxic patriarchy too?

 

 

[RJRS1301]

51 minutes ago, faraday said:

I agree with everything you say, it was disgusting.

 

Concerned about your use of Toxic masculinity though; do you think there's a toxic patriarchy too?

 

 

Yep in some societies and communities 

[ThaiBunny]

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

To the poster who spoke of NORMAL behaviour and exhibitonist. For gay men and lesbians the behaviour is NORMal for them. You displayed the usual heteronormative biase in your post.

Incidently  the term  normal should be a cycle on a washing machine or dishwasher, not a human trait, it depends on socialisation etc as to community behaviours. Just my personal opinion

Speaking of heteronormative bias, aren't you the person who proudly boats of his work for the same-sex marriage campaign. How heteronormative is marriage for same-sex attracted people?!

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, ThaiBunny said:

Speaking of heteronormative bias, aren't you the person who proudly boats of his work for the same-sex marriage campaign. How heteronormative is marriage for same-sex attracted people?!

That was about equal rights, and if marriage is part of that, then so be it. Personally I never have wanted to marry, there are distinctions, I will support others rights to be equal

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Too bad the women didn't have tasers or stun guns...wait those are illegal in the UK.  Even pepper spray is illegal?!

How are unarmed people supposed to defend themselves against these ruffians? 

Ah, you obviously don't understand Englishness. Now that PC has reduced them to <deleted>, one is expected to take an assault quietly, then report it to the police so they can ignore it.

If one were to resist or fight back, then YOU might be in trouble.

Even worse is to actually injure one of your attackers, as then YOU will be charged with assault, and punished more severely than the attackers were for their assault on you.

 

I once had to stand back and do nothing as a man was assaulted in front of me in London, as the attacker was a boy, and I knew that should I so much as bruise him I'd be convicted of a crime, and lose my job. I did stay in case the victim needed assistance after, and to give the cops a statement, but fortunately he was not actually injured.

Seems to me that there is no longer "justice" in England, and the legal system is barking.

 

[Mister Fixit]

14 hours ago, possum1931 said:

You are not supposed to defend yourself in the UK, people have been jailed for it.

You are allowed to use 'reasonable force'.  Now define that ...

[Mister Fixit]

14 hours ago, possum1931 said:

"With luck they will be banged up in prison for the maximum possible time,"

No, a handshake and a 500 GBP fine.

 

Yes, the UK equivalent of a wai and a 500 baht fine here.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Mister Fixit said:

You are allowed to use 'reasonable force'.  Now define that ...

Doesn't matter what we think it means, the courts will decide and they don't like people that defend themselves. 

[NoshowJones]

2 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

You are allowed to use 'reasonable force'.  Now define that ...

Reasonable force?? If I caught someone breaking into my house, I would attack him with everything I had and would make sure he was not able to use any weapon he may have, a knife, gun.

If he is unconscious or dead, he would not be able to use them, reasonable force?? aye right.

[Orton Rd]

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 It's a fact of life in multicultural cities.

Along with grooming gangs, knife crime, acid attacks, FGM and voter fraud, but on the plus side the restaurants are nice and diverse.

[bluesofa]

10 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

14 hours ago, possum1931 said:

You are not supposed to defend yourself in the UK, people have been jailed for it.

You are allowed to use 'reasonable force'.  Now define that ...

Isn't more likely to be perceived as 'a stern talking to' nowadays?

 

After the Tony Martin case in Norfolk twenty years ago, as much as I admire him, I'm sure people would be reticent to do much more in their own defence.

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)  

[Mister Fixit]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't matter what we think it means, the courts will decide and they don't like people that defend themselves. 

They don't like people who defend themselves and who use disproportionate force.