Unregistered hotels and lodgings told to get their paperwork in order, or close down

[GeorgeCross]

41 minutes ago, Kohkah said:

The difficulty is to separate the quality visitors, tourists, pensioners and immigrants from the crap.

 

Right now it feels more like their difficulty is seperating the quality visitors and tourists from the pensioners, immigrants and crap ????

 

 

Edited June 23, 2019 by GeorgeCross

[AhFarangJa]

21 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Whilst the growth of registered hotels has rushed to keep pace with the rising tourist numbers,

Who do they think they are kidding.............

[KiChakayan]

21 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Type 3: hotels giving accommodation, catering or restaurant services, the size of each room is not less than 14 square meters, and which has either conference rooms or entertainment venues which under the Place of Service Act could be a place for dancing, bars, and nightclubs or spa,

Type 4: hotels providing accommodation, catering or restaurant services, conference rooms, and entertainment venues, the size of each room is not less than 14 square meters.

Amazing Thailand, where prostitution is illegal, and two out of four Hotel categories are for brothels...

[Ozman52]

11 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

No sympathy. If I bought and wanted to live in my condo, I would be quite upset at the Airbnb practice of revolving doors having tourists. I own a house. But the rules state 30 days or more for rental is ok for Airbnb style rentals. So you tell me why I or anyone using it would be disappointed as it is the rule. 

You stated that renters could sigh contracts for 30 days, complying with the law, but leave after 1,2 or 3 days and this would be acceptable as it is the renter breaking the contract. Unless the renter can show some attempt to prevent this practice, such as demanding payment up front or applying penalty fees to a credit card, he would clearly be complicit.

Do you know of any Thai hotel that doesn't ask for pre-payment or lodgement of credit card data?

[holy cow cm]

26 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

You stated that renters could sigh contracts for 30 days, complying with the law, but leave after 1,2 or 3 days and this would be acceptable as it is the renter breaking the contract. Unless the renter can show some attempt to prevent this practice, such as demanding payment up front or applying penalty fees to a credit card, he would clearly be complicit.

Do you know of any Thai hotel that doesn't ask for pre-payment or lodgement of credit card data?

It's all how you draw up the agreement. There is no standard business model and deposit and payment can be arranged in many ways. Even Airbnb has a section that allows for Special Offer and agreement between the rentor and the rentee are allowed. We are not talking about hotels, and yes I do know of many small hotels who do not require any prepayment. Even in Vietnam

[BestB]

12 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

It's all how you draw up the agreement. There is no standard business model and deposit and payment can be arranged in many ways. Even Airbnb has a section that allows for Special Offer and agreement between the rentor and the rentee are allowed. We are not talking about hotels, and yes I do know of many small hotels who do not require any prepayment. Even in Vietnam

When authorities do the raiding , it is not only from the receipts. They also check websites for daily rentals .

 

you could have monthly contract but people leaving early , but how do you advertise and get people for less than 30 days rental ? 

 

Do you get what I mean? On website it would show availability with daily price. If you set minimum stay at 30 days then you do not get daily rentals 

 

 

[Ozman52]

11 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

It's all how you draw up the agreement. There is no standard business model and deposit and payment can be arranged in many ways. Even Airbnb has a section that allows for Special Offer and agreement between the rentor and the rentee are allowed. We are not talking about hotels, and yes I do know of many small hotels who do not require any prepayment. Even in Vietnam

It doesn't matter how you draw up the agreement, or how payment is made, unless your short term rental is a rare occurrence you would be  breaking the law and be prosecuted. Do you really believe the RTP are gullible enough to believe that claptrap?

And yes, we are talking about hotels, albeit illegal and unlicensed.

[Jimbo in Thailand]

Have no fear folks!  The formerly disgraced (but secretly promoted) Big Joke, himself, is coming back and he'll be all over this "unregistered hotel" crisis... like 'white on rice'.  Stay tuned for the upcoming batch of 2 am televised news reports photo ops.  ???? [BTW, where's the T.I.T. emoticon?]

[BestB]

7 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

It doesn't matter how you draw up the agreement, or how payment is made, unless your short term rental is a rare occurrence you would be  breaking the law and be prosecuted. Do you really believe the RTP are gullible enough to believe that claptrap?

And yes, we are talking about hotels, albeit illegal and unlicensed.

You could get away with it if you manage to pull it through until they set up a sting to catch you out . 

 

Hard evidence is needed to proceed in court, but then punishment would be much harsher for “being smart”

[holy cow cm]

12 minutes ago, BestB said:

When authorities do the raiding , it is not only from the receipts. They also check websites for daily rentals .

 

you could have monthly contract but people leaving early , but how do you advertise and get people for less than 30 days rental ? 

 

Do you get what I mean? On website it would show availability with daily price. If you set minimum stay at 30 days then you do not get daily rentals 

 

 

Yes I understand what you are saying. But there is a way around most everything.

[Lucius verus]

Major concern is the fumigates these cheap unregistered hotels and lodgings are using to fumigate rooms...if at all.

Alot of tourists have died after having asthma attacks and other allergic reactions especially up in CM.

Expensive Bangkok hotels use western approved fumigants not the crappy Chinese/Thai variants which are banned in the west.

Its one of the most serious hidden dangers of holidaying in Thailand on a budget.

 

[Henryford]

Let's hope they arrest and jail all the AirBnB renters.

[BestB]

23 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Yes I understand what you are saying. But there is a way around most everything.

Of course but easy to get court if they set their eyes on you 

[BestB]

19 minutes ago, Lucius verus said:

Major concern is the fumigates these cheap unregistered hotels and lodgings are using to fumigate rooms...if at all.

Alot of tourists have died after having asthma attacks and other allergic reactions especially up in CM.

Expensive Bangkok hotels use western approved fumigants not the crappy Chinese/Thai variants which are banned in the west.

Its one of the most serious hidden dangers of holidaying in Thailand on a budget.

 

Fumigate what? Someone has no clue at all what they talking about 

[fforest1]

31 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Let's hope they arrest and jail all the AirBnB renters.

Heres a tip for the boys....

 

Check out The Base condos in Pattaya.....

More Chinese renting AirBnB than Pigeons in a park.... 

[BestB]

10 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

Heres a tip for the boys....

 

Check out The Base condos in Pattaya.....

More Chinese renting AirBnB than Pigeons in a park.... 

Have another one on pattays tai near big c, Chinese and Indian . They calling it serviced apartments.

 

with condo owners , it’s nearly impossible to get or arrest all or even majority as there are just too many . Also condo owners are not sitting in that condo , no paperwork , no check in/out forms .

 

its kind of grey area, how to arrest one and send to court when they are not there and no hard evidence to show in court.

 

building management is not liable as they claim owner left condo with them to give out keys. 

 

This is why so few arrests if any were made last year during the raids 

 

 

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

Of course but easy to get court if they set their eyes on you 

Agreed. Easy to get caught as they can interpret and twist everything their way. 

[dpcjsr]

Add one more to the list of happy campers in Thailand:

 

Big government

Big banks

Big insurance companies

and now Big hotel chains

 

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Sounds like the USA.

[dcnx]

Translation: It’s time to pay up, there’s a new sheriff in town 

[BestB]

1 hour ago, dcnx said:

Translation: It’s time to pay up, there’s a new sheriff in town 

I think most would be happy to pay up if it gave license, but it does not.

[lamyai3]

On 6/22/2019 at 1:16 PM, Proboscis said:

Once a few quality tourists find this out, they will tell everyone, "don't come to Thailand - they don't want you."

In their drive to Make Thailand Great Again, pretty much everyone will get expelled. 

[holy cow cm]

I think Thailand's best route would be, just send your money, but don't bother coming.,

[lamyai3]

23 hours ago, Kohkah said:

Thailand want quality visitors but faces the problem of having too many non quality visitors. The law of reporting foreign visitors isn't a new law, isn't it? It has not been strict enforced in the past. Because of finding many illegal foreigners, the law moved in focus of immigration and got updated with higher fines. A similar story is the visa run, it became such a big problem that Thailand had to change the law.  
The difficulty is to separate the quality visitors, tourists, pensioners and immigrants from the crap.

Great first post, you hit the ground running with your oily apologism.

 

The Thai authorities do seem to be succeeding in one thing recently, and that's driving people of all stripes away, to destinations where they're made to feel more welcome. When there's no one left visiting and pumping their money into the local economy, someone might finally realise that it was never really a problem of non quality visitors, but more to do with an increasingly non quality host. 

[simon43]

...but more to do with an increasingly non quality host. 

 

LoL - you hit the nail on the head....

[ifmu]

On 6/22/2019 at 11:32 AM, SlyouThai said:

ok... so we wait ?

My wife has an airbnb , there is nothing clear about what to do. If we need to have an hotel license i heard it takes forever to get one and i guess it will be even more difficult if everyone rushes to do it.

 

Just tell us what we need to do clearly....

i am staying at an airbnb in chiangdao  they applied and in about 2 weeks they were inspected and okay.d by thai gov  .. easy peasy for them 

[BestB]

3 minutes ago, ifmu said:

i am staying at an airbnb in chiangdao  they applied and in about 2 weeks they were inspected and okay.d by thai gov  .. easy peasy for them 

YOu are very confused, Condo's not only can not apply for hotel license but most certainly will not be inspected and even more certain in 2 weeks time, nor would they have been approved or issued hotel license. Process is by far more complex and takes by far longer than 2 weeks, try more like 2 years

[Seeall]

On 6/24/2019 at 6:53 AM, holy cow cm said:

I think Thailand's best route would be, just send your money, but don't bother coming.,

sounds just like BG's ....  I message a couple just that and they replied how great a person I was.. for a couple of days then came the dawning of the brain..