Showering my new dog – What can I use that will kill the Ticks – Advice Please

[Whip Me Granny]

Well I think Ive found the right product to try and internally fight the Dog Tick battle and Ive found some thing to clean her kennel out with .

 

One area where I’m struggling is finding some thing that I can use on my new dog that will help remove / kill any ticks from the skin when I shower her.

 

Ive tried several tic and flea dog shampoos from Tesco Lotus and after continually using them for a few weeks I can’t say that Ive seen much of a difference . I have had a look through some past forum posts on the subject of controlling ticks on dogs , but so far Ive not found a product that I could use when I shower my dog that gets a good recommendation . I’m wondering if any one could recommend a product that can be applied to the dog while its being showered that won’t harm the dog but hopefully get rid / control the ticks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Whip Me Granny]

34 minutes ago, Arjen said:

Forget showering, Spot on treatment and collars.

 

By far the best treatment is Bravecto or Nextguard (lst one also protects against Heartworm. Second best is inject with Ivermectine, third best is Ivermectine oral.

 

All other treatments probably work in countries with a much lower tick load as Thailand.....

 

Good luck!

 

Arjen.

Thanks for the advice as a new pet owner this battling dog ticks seems to be a worrying thing and not that easy to deal with . I live out in the sticks and the only nearby help is a local government vet who seems to be unprofessional to say the least . So I have to try and do as much as In can my self to look after our new dog to the best of my ability. I can buy most products online and have them delivered to my door . So going down the injection route would mean involving the local vet .

 

Is the Ivermectine ( injected ) the same as the Ivermectine oral. I can only find on line the injected version ( lazada )

 

 

 

 

 

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[Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai]

My dog had serious tick problems when she ran around and dig outside property and also more lawn. I purchased this on Lazada worked magic after 2 days no ticks or fleas. Suppose to last 3 months, 1 month so far perfect. Comes in various sizes. My dog 10kg puppy 7 months. I brought 10 to 20kg size. She ate it quickly no side effects for her. They sell for dogs up to 40kg next time save heaps money buy 40kg size cut in half and put half freezer. Here is link

https://s.lazada.co.th/s.Z13NJ

[dick dasterdly]

12 hours ago, Arjen said:

Previous poster is 100% correct. Bravecto works at least three months. But you must protect against heartworm!!! For an average Thai dog around 0.8CC Ivermectine. Easy to do yourself. When you have a small garden and your dog does not go out there is even a change Bravecto works much longer (up to a year is reported) 

 

When you tell me bodyweight from your dog I can tell the dose Ivermectine required to protect against heartworm, when on  Bravecto. I have only practical experience, but I am big fan from  Bravecto. Wait a while for reply from DD, or WW89. They have more scientific knowledge. 

 

Arjen. 

Thank you for the compliment, but unlike WW89, I have no scientific knowledge.  But I do have a lot of experience when it comes to tick infestations and tick related illnesses amongst both my dogs, and those of my friends ☹️.

 

I've never tried Ivermectine, but the 'back of the neck' products stopped working after a while and, at the time, the vets recommended regularly switching products.  This didn't work either......

 

Bravecto and Nexguard Spectra have been a god send!  The vet took blood from my dogs for full testing in Bangkok at the beginning of the year, and for the first time ever (IIRC) they had no tick-borne blood parasites!

 

Sorry OP, showering products (if you live in a tick infested area) are most certainly not going to work....

 

In short, IMO the only effective products (over a period of time) are Bravecto and Nexguard Spectra.

 

Edit - Incidentally neither WW89 or another knowledgeable poster who left the forum after his husky (Sam) died, have visited this forum for a long time? ☹️

Edited June 27, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[M93]

I would really recommend Bravecto. For my dogs it works for about 6 months. My experience from before giving bravecto was, whenever I went to the vet and they checked the blood of my dogs, they almost always had anemia and blood parasites. 

 

A few days ago when I was at the vet and purchased Bravecto, I also was some advertisement for nexguard chewables. I'm not sure if anyone has experience with this. This is a bit cheaper than bravecto. 

 

For my heaviest dog I buy bravecto for 950bht, I saw that nexguard for him was about 500+ baht. I'm not sure if nexguard would also work for such a long period though. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2019 by M93

[fishtank]

Nexgard Spectra or Bravecto are the only things that actually work.

We have not seen a tik on our two goldens for one and a half years.

Good for heart worm too.

Before they were covered in tiks.

 

Forget shampoos and sprays. They are rubbish.

 

Nexgard Spectra costs around 1,000 baht for 3 chews.

Give one every month.

Edited June 27, 2019 by fishtank

[Whip Me Granny]

A big thanks to every one for your advice and suggestions as a new dog owner I really appreciate it

 

The dog ( a bitch ) is around 20kg in weight and I am currently treating the dog by giving her some thing our local government vet sold us. Its called En-Dex P 12,000 . The vet gave me 2 tablets priced at 50 Baht per tablet and told me to give one tablet right away and the second tablet after 10 days. But the vet did not tell me what to do after the second tablet had been given , weather to go back and see him to buy more tablets , or just giving the two tablets would be enough.

 

I have started to shower the dog with anti tick / flea shampoo on a regular basis that I buy from Tesco Lotus , but in my view the shampoo does not seem to be helping to much.

 

I have constructed an outdoors kennel that has concrete floors and walls , it is out of direct sunshine . The dog does not come into contact with other animals or humans as it lives in our large walled private garden area. Every time I let the dog out of its kennel I can see numerous small dark brown ticks laying or running about on the kennels floor where the dog has been lying.

 

So currently I am giving the new dog the tablets from my local government vet and after seeing the numerous brown ticks on the kennel floor I am thinking of power washing the kennel floor first then spray a chemical on the floor that should reduce and kill the ticks in the kennel area .

 

The chemical I’m thinking about to spray on the kennel walls and floor is called Chaindrite Steadfast ( see screen shot )

 

The local government vet does not seem to be very professional , and when I asked him if he ever had been bitten by a dog he was treating , he said no as the gold talisman hanging around his neck protected him from any animal bites or attack ????

 

Any thoughts on the above most welcome.

 

 

Thanks .

 

 

 

 

 

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[ignis]

only have small dogs and been using En-Dex 4000 for some years, every good...... Buy them from the Farm Supply Shop cost 35 baht for 10 tablets..  1 tablet per dog per month.........  3 of my dogs died in the last 18 months, but age related.. 17 years 15 years and 11 years old.

[jak2002003]

Sorry, that is no life for a dog to be kept outside confined to a concrete kennel crawling with ticks.

 

Never meeting other dogs to socialise with or play with, never being taken outside for a walk or run or exercise, and not socialised with other people.  Very sad.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Whip Me Granny]

26 minutes ago, ignis said:

only have small dogs and been using En-Dex 4000 for some years, every good...... Buy them from the Farm Supply Shop cost 35 baht for 10 tablets..  1 tablet per dog per month.........  3 of my dogs died in the last 18 months, but age related.. 17 years 15 years and 11 years old.

Thanks for the comment , I'm sad about your dogs passing away ????

[Whip Me Granny]

8 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Sorry, that is no life for a dog to be kept outside confined to a concrete kennel crawling with ticks.

 

Never meeting other dogs to socialise with or play with, never being taken outside for a walk or run or exercise, and not socialised with other people.  Very sad.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I understand your view and totally agree with it , the dog was destined to be abandoned at a local wat by a relative of the wife , and we decided to give it a home . The dogs current situation will only be temporary while we sort things out and eventually it will be doing what dogs should do and I must say I'm really looking forward to taking her for long daily walks and finally letting her meet other members of our family . Have no fear she will be well cared for and loved by all.

 

 

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[zlodnick]

 sounds like the OP is exposing his dog to a lot of poisons. That chaindrite is great for killing pests, but I wouldn't use it near my dog.

 

 One of our temple dogs had a bad case of mange last year. I did a lot of research on the internet and got some good advice here on this forum. The Nexguard website said it controls fleas and ticks. They also said in trials they found that it kills mange also. Nexguard is a once a month treatment for ticks and fleas, but for mange, it is given.... one initial dose, then another at 14 days, another at 28 days, and then once a month.

 

It cleared up the mange in about 3 months and she remains mange free now, 1 year later. Also, I haven't found a tick or flea in over a year.

 

 For my own dogs, I've always used Frontline for ticks. It works great, but I will admit, after a few years, it does become less effective.

 

 I would never use the shampoos.

[cooked]

I never heard of the Chaindrite product mentioned, I might give it a try. I have been unable to find out what chemicals are used in this product, so until I get a container of the stuff in my hands I won't be ordering any. I suspect it is just permethrin in a fancy package.

As I power clean the concrete floor of the dog pound once a week I suppose I would have to spray Chaindrite Stedfast once a week also. I always used Bayticol up to now, which works and is considerably cheaper.

Anyway. Some products work on some dogs, some products are toxic to some dogs.

There is NO magic bullet against ticks, we change shampoo and meds regularly, and they get a GOOD GOING OVER every day, picking them off with tweezers. One dog recently was tick free for three days on the trot, now has eggs all over him. I don't think that any product kills eggs of the tick family although their further development after hatching out can be interfered with by Endex and the like.

It's a lifelong job looking after dogs in Thailand.

It contains Alphacypermethrin I just found out, so I was nearly right. Not too  toxic.

Edited June 27, 2019 by cooked

[Whip Me Granny]

1 hour ago, cooked said:

I never heard of the Chaindrite product mentioned, I might give it a try. I have been unable to find out what chemicals are used in this product, so until I get a container of the stuff in my hands I won't be ordering any. I suspect it is just permethrin in a fancy package.

As I power clean the concrete floor of the dog pound once a week I suppose I would have to spray Chaindrite Stedfast once a week also. I always used Bayticol up to now, which works and is considerably cheaper.

Anyway. Some products work on some dogs, some products are toxic to some dogs.

There is NO magic bullet against ticks, we change shampoo and meds regularly, and they get a GOOD GOING OVER every day, picking them off with tweezers. One dog recently was tick free for three days on the trot, now has eggs all over him. I don't think that any product kills eggs of the tick family although their further development after hatching out can be interfered with by Endex and the like.

It's a lifelong job looking after dogs in Thailand.

It contains Alphacypermethrin I just found out, so I was nearly right. Not too  toxic.

Many thanks for the information

 

I had seen the chemical Chaindrite mentioned some where on thaivisa , but I can’t seem to find the original recommendation where it says how to use it to combat ticks.

 

I keep seeing another product mentioned in Thailand called Permedan which is water based and safe to use around humans and animals . But I’m having a hard time finding where its sold.

 

 

http://www.permedan.org/english/

 

 

 

This is our first dog and its becoming clear that keeping it safe well and happy is like you say a life long job , but we are determined to do the best we can for our new family member.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cooked]

"Permedan" sounds very like "permethrin" and I'm betting that's what it is, I have only seen permethrin as a powder.

Very efficacious against ticks, scorpions, spiders, mites and ants.

[Whip Me Granny]

2 hours ago, cooked said:

"Permedan" sounds very like "permethrin" and I'm betting that's what it is, I have only seen permethrin as a powder.

Very efficacious against ticks, scorpions, spiders, mites and ants.

Just spotted that on lazada and its saying '' Chaindrite '' . Makes you wonder .

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Whip Me Granny]

2 hours ago, Arjen said:

I think Bravecto and Nexguard come very close to be a "magic bullet"

 

@Whip Me Granny

Usually ticks, when they crawl on the floor, secial when it are a lot the treatment you give is moving the ticks away from your dog.

You can try tio squeeze these ticks, when the blood they contain is very dark, those ticks are close to die.

 

Arjen.

 

Thanks for the comment and recommendation

 

Its funny that when I decided to rescue the dog and look after it at home the thought of ‘’ Ticks ‘’ never entered my mind , now they are constantly on my mind ????

 

My wife has started to remove the ticks by using a pair of tweezers and it seems its going to be a daily process. So far I can only see 2 types of Tick that are on the dog ( see the photographs I took )

 

Last night while sitting in the lounge on the sofa for the first time I felt one tick crawling on my leg ( type A ) . I have never seen a tick inside the house until last night . I have my fingers crossed that its not a sign of things to come .

 

 

 

 

 

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[fishtank]

Op. do yourself  a favour and give them Nexgard or Brecto.

Easy to buy and guaranteed to work.

Don't bother with all the other stuff mention in this thread.

[Rally123]

One part vinegar, one part water spray will sort out yor probs. Google is yer friend.

Edited June 28, 2019 by Rally123

[Bootstrap]

Bravecto, for the sake of your dog, just get on with it!

[Old Croc]

We used to have big problems with ticks on our two German Shepherd cross dogs.

No matter how many were removed nor how often the dogs were bathed and dosed with various shampoos and powders, the ticks were constantly on the dogs. The little buggers were often found in the house and everywhere the dogs went.

In April 2018 we dosed the boys with Bravecto, bought from Lazada, and the pests started dying. Within about a week they were all gone and the breeding cycle has been broken. I haven't seen a tick on the dogs or in the house or yard for more than a year.

They haven't come back even though the effectiveness of the dose was supposed to last for only 3 months. 

[captpkapoor]

Two home made remedies I've used (recommended by a very trusted vet and really work) : 1) Buy camphor, grind it into a powder, mix equal parts with regular talcum powder, apply this into the coat.

2) Pine oil - mix about 10 ml into the water you use to mop the floor. This removes any ticks which are wandering around.

[fishtank]

Why make it complicated?

Nexgard or Bravecto are the only things that work. 

 

Use either one and you will not see Tiks on your dog or wandering around.

[chrisinth]

Hi OP, I'm a bit late to the party but have to agree with many of the posters in this thread, Bravecto is certainly one of the best ways to go and, for my dogs at least, works wonders. I lost a Siberian a couple of years ago through blood infection caused by ticks, so I don't recommend lightly.

 

In addition though, a little bit of advice as regards shampoos, cut back using them on your pet. I didn't catch what breed of dog it is you have, but you've got to remember that it is in fact a dog, and it's hair/fur has different purposes to them that our hair has for us. The more you use shampoos (even though they are formulated for dogs) the more you will reduce the protective oils that are in your dog's coat. Some may disagree but in general dogs are clean animals. My husky is like a cat when it comes to cleaning herself, and when she is finished she will often go over to the German Shepherd and clean his ears for him. He will then replicate and lick her ears out for her (if he feels like it). Both of these breeds are 'double coated' and 'shoot' their undercoats fully twice a year so they are practically self maintaining.

 

Obviously if they have been swimming or hunting in the woods and are a bit dirty, I will normally turn a hose on them when we get home and make a game out of it, but unless they are really dirty, don't usually use soap or shampoo. They enjoy the sh1t out of that, especially the GSD.

 

Best to pay more attention to the ears, and indeed the mouth (with proper doggie toothpaste) if they are not chewing bones, pull toys, etc, than worrying about the coats IMO. That said, certainly check their coats on a regular basis, but if you decide to use a product such as Bravecto, you won't have to worry about the ticks & fleas..........

Edited July 3, 2019 by chrisinth

[SammyJ]

On 6/26/2019 at 4:48 PM, Whip Me Granny said:

Thanks for the advice as a new pet owner this battling dog ticks seems to be a worrying thing and not that easy to deal with . I live out in the sticks and the only nearby help is a local government vet who seems to be unprofessional to say the least . So I have to try and do as much as In can my self to look after our new dog to the best of my ability. I can buy most products online and have them delivered to my door . So going down the injection route would mean involving the local vet .

 

Is the Ivermectine ( injected ) the same as the Ivermectine oral. I can only find on line the injected version ( lazada )

 

 

 

 

 

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i agree, that trying to control fleas and, especially ticks, with showering is a futile effort.  In the sticks or not, you need to use one of the flea tick monthly meds, and then something for heartworm, especially if your dog sleeps outdoors or plays outside late at night or early morn, when mosquitoes abound.  Make a trip into a city and get a supply, or order it online and have it shipped to you.  Ticks can easily transfer to you from your dog, and to your children, if you have any--be aware and take care.

I use Nextguard Spectra--it is not cheap, but one of the few effective meds that works against fleas, ticks and mosquitoes and, fortunately, my dogs tolerate it well--not all dogs do, all these medicines, are basically insecticides that operate at a level within your dog in the hope that they poison the fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes without killing your dog.