Video Trump to Putin - Please don't meddle in U.S. elections

[CaptRon2]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

Yet you don't dispute the fact (correctly reported by Vox which came up first in the Google search) that Trump sided with a foreign murderer and dictator against an American, right?

Oh, and let's not forget Otto Warmbier, whom the traitor in the WH has in no way held Kim responsible for.

 

PS. Did you get that about Aesop's Fables?

Keep reaching, nothing you have mentioned makes President Trump a traitor, just because you and Vox don’t approve of something he said certainly doesn’t make it a traitorous act, and in my opinion your are still a long ways from uncovering the “treacherous acts” you claim he is guilty of.

Your post have not even come close to justifying your original accusations, so by all means please consider using the phrase once upon a time as your opening statement, or better yet why not stop making false accusations you can’t back up?

[Becker]

19 minutes ago, CaptRon2 said:

Keep reaching, nothing you have mentioned makes President Trump a traitor, just because you and Vox don’t approve of something he said certainly doesn’t make it a traitorous act, and in my opinion your are still a long ways from uncovering the “treacherous acts” you claim he is guilty of.

The key words being "in your opinion".

[riclag]

23 minutes ago, CaptRon2 said:

Keep reaching, nothing you have mentioned makes President Trump a traitor, just because you and Vox don’t approve of something he said certainly doesn’t make it a traitorous act, and in my opinion your are still a long ways from uncovering the “treacherous acts” you claim he is guilty of.

Your post have not even come close to justifying your original accusations, so by all means please consider using the phrase once upon a time as your opening statement, or better yet why not stop making false accusations you can’t back up?

  A treasonous President  hugging the flag! Better yet how many POTUS have hugged the flag! The guy has more love for America than all the past POTUS 

[Becker]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

  A treasonous President  hugging the flag! Better yet how many POTUS have hugged the flag! The guy has more love for America than all the past POTUS 

And that one photo has you convinced?? Wow..........just wow!

[heybruce]

35 minutes ago, riclag said:

  A treasonous President  hugging the flag! Better yet how many POTUS have hugged the flag! The guy has more love for America than all the past POTUS 

Seriously?  You think that disrespecting the flag by groping it is a sign of patriotism?

 

There was a time in the US when people were taught to respect the flag by handling it with respect.

[Morch]

On 6/30/2019 at 6:52 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

How often did you buy something which you despise even if you saw advertisement about it all the time?

 

I'm not the one denying advertising (or public opinion manipulation) works. And, of course, it's not quite the choice as you paint it. Not about choosing something you "despise" over something you like. Too much of a dissonance involved. I think that for most purposes and crowds, the approach is somewhat more subtle.

[Cryingdick]

Trump told Putin twice directly. Not sure what more the media expected?

[Becker]

22 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Trump told Putin twice directly. Not sure what more the media expected?

 

That he at least made an effort to pretend he meant it?

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Otto?  his father said Obama told him to "keep quite" and who got him back???

Talk about twisting facts

All recent Presidents have secured the release of some hostages from North Korea.  Until Trump this was done with much less fan fare, and the hostages came back in much better condition.

[BobBKK]

38 minutes ago, heybruce said:

All recent Presidents have secured the release of some hostages from North Korea.  Until Trump this was done with much less fan fare, and the hostages came back in much better condition.

Nah... some ex-presidents and others maybe. Obama told the family to "be quiet". Twist and turn but you cannot deny he brought him back.

[usviphotography]

4 hours ago, Becker said:

 

That he at least made an effort to pretend he meant it?

Trump addressed this long ago. He said he brought the issue up with Putin in their very first meeting. Putin denied any state sponsored interference, and said that if the US had any evidence of such interference they should present it. The US Intelligence Community has refused that offer to present evidence on the grounds of "protection of intelligence gathering capability" so that is where they stand. Trump brought it up, Putin denied i tand suggested US present proof. Since US is not willing to present proof, what else is there to say? The issue is closed. Yet the media keeps asking about it. To continue asking the same question over and over about a closed topic is not serious journalism, so Trump has ceased taking such inquiries seriously. He's treating the media like the joke that it is.  

[Becker]

1 hour ago, usviphotography said:

Trump addressed this long ago. He said he brought the issue up with Putin in their very first meeting. Putin denied any state sponsored interference, and said that if the US had any evidence of such interference they should present it. The US Intelligence Community has refused that offer to present evidence on the grounds of "protection of intelligence gathering capability" so that is where they stand. Trump brought it up, Putin denied i tand suggested US present proof. Since US is not willing to present proof, what else is there to say? The issue is closed. Yet the media keeps asking about it. To continue asking the same question over and over about a closed topic is not serious journalism, so Trump has ceased taking such inquiries seriously. He's treating the media like the joke that it is.  

The media is a joke, not Trump??

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Nah... some ex-presidents and others maybe. Obama told the family to "be quiet". Twist and turn but you cannot deny he brought him back.

Count them yourself; eleven US citizens were released by North Korea during the Obama administration.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_nationals_detained_in_North_Korea

 

Obama didn't make the releases into big dog and pony shows like Trump.  And the advice to keep quiet was made to avoid annoying the murderous Kim Jong Un.

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, usviphotography said:

Trump addressed this long ago. He said he brought the issue up with Putin in their very first meeting. Putin denied any state sponsored interference, and said that if the US had any evidence of such interference they should present it. The US Intelligence Community has refused that offer to present evidence on the grounds of "protection of intelligence gathering capability" so that is where they stand. Trump brought it up, Putin denied i tand suggested US present proof. Since US is not willing to present proof, what else is there to say? The issue is closed. Yet the media keeps asking about it. To continue asking the same question over and over about a closed topic is not serious journalism, so Trump has ceased taking such inquiries seriously. He's treating the media like the joke that it is.  

The Mueller Report documents extensive interference by Russia into the US election.  I have more confidence in Mueller than Putin.  You obviously think Putin is trustworthy.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed.   Please stay on topic.   It's about Trump and Putin and meddling in elections.  

[usviphotography]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

The Mueller Report documents extensive interference by Russia into the US election.  I have more confidence in Mueller than Putin.  You obviously think Putin is trustworthy.

The question is not whether Putin is "trustworthy" or not. Neither Putin nor the US Intelligence community are "trustworthy" and if you have any "confidence" in either then you are naive. This isn't about trust. This is about a very specific question asked in press conference and Trump's reaction to it. And to analyze that you must understand the context.

 

Trump raised the issue at the very first meeting. Putin denied any state sanctioned meddling and asked US for proof if it had evidence of any such meddling. US claims to have such evidence, but is unwilling to provide it. There is nothing more to be said after that. It is a dead topic and has been for nearly two years. The media is fully aware of all this. And yet the nitwits keep harping about it. Why don't you ask Putin again, they say. It was a stupid, infantile question and Trump gave it all the respect it deserved. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, usviphotography said:

The question is not whether Putin is "trustworthy" or not. Neither Putin nor the US Intelligence community are "trustworthy" and if you have any "confidence" in either then you are naive. This isn't about trust. This is about a very specific question asked in press conference and Trump's reaction to it. And to analyze that you must understand the context.

 

Trump raised the issue at the very first meeting. Putin denied any state sanctioned meddling and asked US for proof if it had evidence of any such meddling. US claims to have such evidence, but is unwilling to provide it. There is nothing more to be said after that. It is a dead topic and has been for nearly two years. The media is fully aware of all this. And yet the nitwits keep harping about it. Why don't you ask Putin again, they say. It was a stupid, infantile question and Trump gave it all the respect it deserved. 

The fact that Trump chooses to believe Putin over his own intelligence services is very much a live topic.  The media is fully aware of this.  The fact that Trump shows no signs of taking Russian interference in the upcoming election seriously is very much a live topic.  The media is also fully aware of this.

 

The fact that you want people to stop picking on Putin is obvious.  People who read your posts are fully aware of it.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2019 by heybruce

[usviphotography]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

The fact that Trump chooses to believe Putin over his own intelligence services is very much a live topic.  The media is fully aware of this.  The fact that Trump shows no signs of taking

Russian interference in the upcoming election seriously is very much a live topic.  The media is also fully aware of this.

 

The fact that you want people to stop picking on Putin is obvious.  People who read your posts are fully aware of it.

 

 

Even if we accept US Intelligence community claims at face value (which would be absurd given their history) Russian "interference" is the election was infinitesimal. A 100 million dollars in Facebook ads featuring some of the worst memes anyone has ever seen is not going to impact an election. To even be talking about such a triviality given what Facebook, Google, and the Big Tech oligarchs are doing right now to meddle in elections is simply laughable. And the focus on Russia, while ignoring other outside influences such as AIPAC, who actually do tremendous influence over US politics, is nothing more than racism and bigotry. 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

Even if we accept US Intelligence community claims at face value (which would be absurd given their history) Russian "interference" is the election was infinitesimal. A 100 million dollars in Facebook ads featuring some of the worst memes anyone has ever seen is not going to impact an election. To even be talking about such a triviality given what Facebook, Google, and the Big Tech oligarchs are doing right now to meddle in elections is simply laughable. And the focus on Russia, while ignoring other outside influences such as AIPAC, who actually do tremendous influence over US politics, is nothing more than racism and bigotry. 

Russia put out fake news and organized rallies designed to generate conflict.  Did Facebook, Google, and Big Tech oligarchs do that?

 

To make the unqualified, unambiguous claim that Russian interference had not impact on an election that close is a sign of ignorance or support for Russia's agenda.

 

US intelligence agencies get it right most of the time.  Putin is a former spy who supports covert operations all of the time.  Yet you trust Putin more than the intelligence agencies.