Opposition MPs push for Prayut's disqualification as Cabinet member

[JAG]

8 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Is it time for the next election yet????

No. We need a coup, a junta with an Orwellian title, and comprising a fresh crop of Generals, a charter rewriting committee to deliberate on a new, even more authoritarian constitution, leading in time to an even more blatantly rigged election. There are serious issues to be resolved before Thailand can return to democracy, issues like, umh, well, now - the appalling standard of foot drill amongst primary school children. These things take time you know!

 

Oh, and we need a roadmap. Does anyone know what we did with the previous road map?

 

To return to your question, at least 5 years...

[Prairieboy]

One of the definitions of treason is:  "....attempting to overthrow its government..."   It appears that successfully overthrowing a legally elected government is not, else the current "PM" would be lazing in jail awaiting the death penalty.

[rkidlad]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

You’re backsliding. 

 

Quote where i said no coup was coming. 

Jesus wept. Backsliding? How about you justify your comment that questioning the legality of a prime minster’s qualifications based on the constitution is a waste of time but focusing on the beating of an activist or the policies enacted under article 44 isn’t? 

[Eric Loh]

Maybe this is the silent coup. Somehow an incumbent of the constitution drafting committee spoke out in favour of the constitution court looking into his legibility. 

[crazykopite]

Best keep my thoughts to myself “ Big Brother Is Watching “

[TKDfella]

I think we all know what the ruling will be...the court won't go against the PM. I read this morning that whatever the ruling, that's will be it. The challenge cannot be re-submitted if it is denied and if that happens it will be almost like 'legalising' the NCPO...and any future coup.

[Ej2562]

So many of you here on this site seems to think the Taksin, yes, i said Taksin because he was giving directions to his sister and her party all along.  He influenced the election very heavily.  You keep referring to the current administration as, the Junta.  Time you stop that because there has been a general election to select a Prime Minister.  So please stop seeing the current administration as, the Junta. Would you have rather have all the wrong doings going on by the past administration or prefer a change.  I am sure you know that all the requests being made, are at the request of Taksin.

Open your eyes.

 

 

[FarFlungFalang]

10 minutes ago, Ej2562 said:

So many of you here on this site seems to think the Taksin, yes, i said Taksin because he was giving directions to his sister and her party all along.  He influenced the election very heavily.  You keep referring to the current administration as, the Junta.  Time you stop that because there has been a general election to select a Prime Minister.  So please stop seeing the current administration as, the Junta. Would you have rather have all the wrong doings going on by the past administration or prefer a change.  I am sure you know that all the requests being made, are at the request of Taksin.

Open your eyes.

 

 

What change?The top three of the current administration are from the Junta!You have every right to tell people what to call it,good luck with that!What would you call then?A democratically elected administration from free and fair election?You call that an election?

I would prefer to keep my eyes shut because it hurt my head looking at it.

Edited July 6, 2019 by FarFlungFalang
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[Ej2562]

I agree with Bluespunk 100 percent, and posted on page 5.

To FarFlungFarang, Change form the Yinluck/Taksin administration  Phu Thai Party.

[Ej2562]

I second the motion from Bluespunk.

 

[Kinnock]

I'm left wondering what type of governance is effective these days. 

 

In Thailand democracy was failing before the coup, and the current system looks no better.  Democracy has sealed the slow death of the United Kingdom, the US situation is 'interesting' and in France nobody seems to like the person they voted for.

 

The Turkish cross between democracy and religious dictatorship looks dodgy, and most the old dictators in the Middle East have gone - leaving a mess behind.

 

Though I don't like to say it, the China/Vietnam system of centralized control by an ex-communist politburo seems to be the current best system in our imperfect world.

 

 

[sjaak327]

So many of you here on this site seems to think the Taksin, yes, i said Taksin because he was giving directions to his sister and her party all along.  He influenced the election very heavily.  You keep referring to the current administration as, the Junta.  Time you stop that because there has been a general election to select a Prime Minister.  So please stop seeing the current administration as, the Junta. Would you have rather have all the wrong doings going on by the past administration or prefer a change.  I am sure you know that all the requests being made, are at the request of Taksin.
Open your eyes.
 
 

The current administration remains the junta. The elections were not even won by the party that nominated the dictator. Right after the elections, the opposition had a clear majority in parliament. The EC however assigned 11 seats to 11 micro parties to shift that majority away from the pro democracy coalition.

They will still rule illegitimatly.




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[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, Ej2562 said:

Would you have rather have all the wrong doings going on by the past administration or prefer a change.

There were many wrongdoings by past administrators (plural) but suggesting it will change is rich beyond comprehension. Same bunch of generals that seized power, are the government today. They rigged the election, dissolved political party, intimidate and bribe coalition parties in order to form this government. They gave power to a fully junta appointed senators to ensure that he gets the premiership. If you can’t see through the corruption and worse expect change, may Buddha help you. 

[Eligius]

Everyone should see by now - some of us saw it literally years ago - that there is no 'legal' way (I use that word in the meaningless semantics that attach to it in Thailand) that the junta forces can be ousted. None whatsoever. All the institutions of power and might are fully on the side of the militarists/Establishment - and will enforce their will.

 

So, absent some multi-millions-strong dissent by the Thai people, the political/ civil-rights situation in Thailand remains essentially hopeless.

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Eligius

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The petition points out that Prayut does not qualify as Cabinet member according to the charter as he is already a state official. Prayut is apparently being considered for the post of defence minister

this guy is trying to copy Trump and run the country by himself, wonder how big their EGO's are

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, Ej2562 said:

I agree with Bluespunk 100 percent, and posted on page 5.

To FarFlungFarang, Change form the Yinluck/Taksin administration  Phu Thai Party.

The Yingluck/Taksin administration was changed buy a military coop,an illegal move under constitution at the time and set up by Sutep's pseudo public disturbance.So the whole Junta administration IS illegal and anything they have done is illegal.If people say that Yingluck and Taksin broke the law and should be punished according to the law then the same principal must apply to the current administration and the not so previous Junta as the so called new Government has as yet not been formed so the current administration as you like to call it should technically be referred to as the Junta.

  

Edited July 6, 2019 by FarFlungFalang

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

I'm left wondering what type of governance is effective these days. 

 

In Thailand democracy was failing before the coup, and the current system looks no better.  Democracy has sealed the slow death of the United Kingdom, the US situation is 'interesting' and in France nobody seems to like the person they voted for.

 

The Turkish cross between democracy and religious dictatorship looks dodgy, and most the old dictators in the Middle East have gone - leaving a mess behind.

 

Though I don't like to say it, the China/Vietnam system of centralized control by an ex-communist politburo seems to be the current best system in our imperfect world.

You gotta be on some pretty special drugs to be churning out nonsense like this.

 

China currently has up to a million people in secretive internment camps, state sponsored organ harvesting, high levels of government imposed internet censorship and surveillance, no religious freedom, unexplained disappearances, severely restricted press freedom, alarming environmental degradation and pollution and on and on it goes.

 

The masses of Hong Kong certainly don't agree with your musings.

 

Western style liberal democracy is as good as it gets.

 

BTW - Why was democracy failing in Thailand prior to the coup? People were free to openly protest, the government responded correctly by dissolving parliament and calling fresh elections - returning power to the people to decide on the direction the country will proceed. What more do you want?

Edited July 6, 2019 by pornprong

[BobBKK]

We all know the 'CC' will deem the PM is not a 'State Official' it's a total FARCE.

[BobBKK]

2 minutes ago, pornprong said:

You gotta be on some pretty special drugs to be churning out nonsense like this.

 

China currently has up to a million people in secretive internment camps, state sponsored organ harvesting, high levels of government imposed internet censorship and surveillance, no religious freedom, unexplained disappearances, severely restricted press freedom, alarming environmental degradation and pollution and on and on it goes.

 

The masses of Hong Kong certainly don't agree with your musings.

 

Western style liberal democracy is as good as it gets.

 

BTW - Why was democracy failing in Thailand prior to the coup? People were free to openly protest, the government responded correctly by dissolving parliament and calling fresh elections - returning power to the people to decide on the direction the country will proceed. What more do you want?

"it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time"

 

Churchill 1947

[pornprong]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

You’re backsliding. 

Quote where i said no coup was coming. 

When you described a coup in motion as "people exercising their democratic right".

 

Those supporting the coup back in 2013 were only surpassed in ineptitude by those who were unable to see it was a coup.

 

[sjaak327]

9 minutes ago, pornprong said:

When you described a coup in motion as "people exercising their democratic right".

 

Those supporting the coup back in 2013 were only surpassed in ineptitude by those who were unable to see it was a coup.

 

Everyone just believing one word of what Suthep said, are simply completely out of touch with reality, That whole demonstration was geared at one goal, and one goal only. Heavely financed and organized. They spared no expense. They started with claiming to be defending the constitution and to be against corruption, not even a week later they changed their tune and demanded power to be handed over to them, so they could perform reform before elections. 

 

After this, anyone still supporting these clowns, is no true democrat and is utterly out of touch with reality. Nowhere in the world would a few demonstartors be allowed to violate the law of the land in such a way as Suthep and his minions did. 

 

For crying out loud, they even disrupted general elections, in plain sight !

 

Only in Thailand, and only in Thailand are there expats that actually support this nonsense. Maybe the term, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys is true...

 

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by sjaak327

[grumpy 4680]

   Is it not the usual procedure when a so called government in a so called election, then if it can't form a government in a specific time, then a new Election should be called, or doe's that only apply to true democracies.

   Somewhere in the constitution does it state "crooks can rule indefinatly"

[Eligius]

7 minutes ago, grumpy 4680 said:

   Is it not the usual procedure when a so called government in a so called election, then if it can't form a government in a specific time, then a new Election should be called, or doe's that only apply to true democracies.

   Somewhere in the constitution does it state "crooks can rule indefinatly"

Thailand is a lawless land. Simple as that.

Might is right. They can do whatever they want.

And there is no way on God's fair earth that this bunch will cede the Power they now wield.

There is ONLY one way open to the Thai people ('elections' clearly don't work - or rather, have been definitively neutered), so - it's over to the Thais to decide what they want to do in this game-changing situation that has been carefully and cunningly crafted over the past five long years ...

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Eligius

[FarFlungFalang]

FARCE

Definition: Failure At Rigging Current Election!

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Jesus wept. Backsliding? How about you justify your comment that questioning the legality of a prime minster’s qualifications based on the constitution is a waste of time but focusing on the beating of an activist or the policies enacted under article 44 isn’t? 

The poster was backsliding on his false claims regarding myself. 

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

FARCE

Definition: Failure At Rigging Current Election!

Sometime earlier, someone here merged FARCE and FASCIST to describe the current mob as FARCISTS.

Definition: Incompetent fascists.

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

The poster was backsliding on his false claims regarding myself. 

The poster was not and the claims were accurate.

Edited July 6, 2019 by pornprong

[Bluespunk]

31 minutes ago, pornprong said:

When you described a coup in motion as "people exercising their democratic right".

 

Those supporting the coup back in 2013 were only surpassed in ineptitude by those who were unable to see it was a coup.

 

Please quote the post where I said a coup was not going to happen.

 

The post you are talking about referred to protests, not the coup.

 

I never supported suthep, but I do support the rights of people to protest. 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The poster was not and the claims were accurate.

Wrong

[Bluespunk]

40 minutes ago, pornprong said:

When you described a coup in motion as "people exercising their democratic right".

 

Those supporting the coup back in 2013 were only surpassed in ineptitude by those who were unable to see it was a coup.

 

No, I described protests as that. 

 

Those back in 2013 were exercising their right to protest. 

 

sutheps highjacking of those were something i always condemned. 

 

And you claimed I said a coup was not coming. You have yet to quote a post where I did so. 

 

Back up your claim. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Bluespunk