Russia intent on interfering with U.S. elections - FBI Director Wray

[quandow]

19 minutes ago, harriott456 said:

you're joking right?...Venezuela currently...you could add about 80 countries to that.

If you take the time to read this, you'll understand the depth of U.S. interference. Warning, it can be depressing:

https://library.aceondo.net/ebooks/HISTORY/The_Secret_History_of_the_American_Empire__Economic_Hit_Men__Jackals_and_the_Trut_20121130215629631.pdf

[Redline]

Russia is always grasping at straws~the GDP of Russia is about equal to that of New York State

[Jingthing]

23 hours ago, Thainesss said:

...

 

But, hey, Trump is still your president. Get over it. 

Never. Until he's out.

[bristolboy]

23 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Do you agree that There is no evidence that Russia tampered with votes?

Yes, I agree. What's your point?

[Tug]

On 7/23/2019 at 6:46 PM, Thainesss said:

 

Oh boy thats rich. Ok, on what planet does it make sense to equate 2 YEARS fake & false "Trump Russia" narrative blasted willingly from every available news outlet by lefty politicians.... To what Trump has said and done on the matter.

 

The scale would spontaneously combust with the needle pinned to the left, if applied objectively. 

Did you watch the muller testimony yesterday?donald is knee deep in that mess he welcomed and used it that to me is a betrayal of our democracy and as potus not to stop it is dereliction of his oath of office to preserve and protect our democracy shamefull pathetic and treasonous 

Edited July 25, 2019 by Tug

[bendejo]

Russia intent on interfering with U.S. elections - FBI Director Wray

 

Nothing illegal or not permissible about it.  President said it as ok.  Mitch McConnell is ok with it too, refusing to accept any legislation to curtail it.

There is a whole depth of excrement involving McConnell and Russian $$$, if the US had a functional Justice Dept. he would be soiling his pants right now.

 

 

 

[bendejo]

An interesting listen.  Why, some of those mentioned may be people who post here on tvf!
Active Measures

 

 

 

 

[quandow]

12 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, I agree. What's your point?

The intel testimony given on 25 July resulted in even Trump Republicans having to admit Russians were able to hack voting machines in all 50 states. That should scare the hell out of everyone!

[BobBKK]

On 7/25/2019 at 12:32 PM, quandow said:

It's all too obvious you didn't read the Mueller report. The buzz word "collusion" is the red herring. Yes, there was no "collusion," but if you took the trouble to read the 450 pages, you WOULD see concerted efforts by the Trump campaign coordinating with Russians, planning with Russians, exchanging critical information back and forth with Russians to get Trump elected. Perhaps not technically illegal but it should scare the HELL out of everyone how much effort the Russians put in to get him elected. Oh, BTW, they're still doing it.

Try it, the report will open your eyes:

 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955118-The-Mueller-Report.html

I would be happy to read the report but let's have another one on USA meddling in Russian affairs?  oh they don't do that?  how many votes were changed due to this 'Russian collusion'?  Russia favoured trump, that's clear, and what? USA 'favours' all sorts in tons of elections which are none of USA's business, but they continue to meddle all over our world. Give it a rest it's not important. How about some Dem POLICIES for 2020?  you know the type of thing, economics, education, environment.

[BobBKK]

On 7/26/2019 at 9:56 AM, quandow said:

The intel testimony given on 25 July resulted in even Trump Republicans having to admit Russians were able to hack voting machines in all 50 states. That should scare the hell out of everyone!

You have evidence that votes were changed?  that's a game changer and I will have to seriously reconsider my view. How many votes were effected?  1m? 5m?  in all 50 States? maybe 50m? 

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

You have evidence that votes were changed?  that's a game changer and I will have to seriously reconsider my view. How many votes were effected?  1m? 5m?  in all 50 States? maybe 50m? 

Let's say that in 2016 no votes were changed. Does that mean that there is no threat in 2016? You think the Russian were just having fun trying to penetrate electoral systems? That they wouldn't go further if they could? If that's the case, your take on the Russians is just as benign and as foolish as Trump's.

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I would be happy to read the report but let's have another one on USA meddling in Russian affairs?  oh they don't do that?  how many votes were changed due to this 'Russian collusion'?  Russia favoured trump, that's clear, and what? USA 'favours' all sorts in tons of elections which are none of USA's business, but they continue to meddle all over our world. Give it a rest it's not important. How about some Dem POLICIES for 2020?  you know the type of thing, economics, education, environment.

 

How about stopping with the deflections? It's irrelevant if the USA does "the same". It doesn't follow that the USA ought to accept such actions from other governments, ignore them or let them get on with it. As for policies etc. - other than being yet another deflection, also not much connection to reality there.

[BobBKK]

Just now, Morch said:

 

How about stopping with the deflections? It's irrelevant if the USA does "the same". It doesn't follow that the USA ought to accept such actions from other governments, ignore them or let them get on with it. As for policies etc. - other than being yet another deflection, also not much connection to reality there.

Ah what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.

USA it's 'ok' others it's 'not ok'.  I'm surprised you allow such an Elephant to enter your room.

Of course USA will defend itself against any hacks as will Russia and the rest of the world but to suggest 'holier-than-thou' USA is any different is the biggest deflection of all time.

[BobBKK]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Let's say that in 2016 no votes were changed. Does that mean that there is no threat in 2016? You think the Russian were just having fun trying to penetrate electoral systems? That they wouldn't go further if they could? If that's the case, your take on the Russians is just as benign and as foolish as Trump's.

I'm simply requesting evidence that it made one JOT of difference to the outcome. Of course USA will make all efforts to stop any nation meddling but to blame Trump is absurd.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, BobBKK said:

Ah what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.

USA it's 'ok' others it's 'not ok'.  I'm surprised you allow such an Elephant to enter your room.

Of course USA will defend itself against any hacks as will Russia and the rest of the world but to suggest 'holier-than-thou' USA is any different is the biggest deflection of all time.

Who said it was OK for the US to being that? I haven't seen that anywhere in this thread.That's not the issue. The issue is should the US be doing everything it can to stop its elections from being hacked. 

[BobBKK]

Just now, bristolboy said:

Who said it was OK for the US to being that? I haven't seen that anywhere in this thread.That's not the issue. The issue is should the US be doing everything it can to stop its elections from being hacked. 

Yes we don't disagree on that.

[Tug]

Well just so you know Mitch McConnell just shot down 2 bills on election protection kinda makes ya wonder don’t it?they are calling him Moscow Mitch over here 

[mikebike]

On 7/24/2019 at 3:54 PM, JHolmesJr said:

Facebook/Twitter certainly needs to bear responsibility for their role in aiding the Russian plans.

 

They need to get their faeces together....ban all accounts emanating from Russia, China and no VPNs

allowed.

 

Also, no bizarre usernames....sign up to these platforms should require national ID....its a public platform 

where people shouldn't be allowed to comment anonymously or spew fake news from behind a fake profile. That's it!

Sooo... You are promoting highly-regulating or possibly nationalizing private companies because they are behaving in a toxic manner towards the rest of society. Sounds awfully socialistic to me. Any other industries behaving in a toxic manner you want to regulate?

[quandow]

18 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

Ah what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.

USA it's 'ok' others it's 'not ok'.  I'm surprised you allow such an Elephant to enter your room.

Of course USA will defend itself against any hacks as will Russia and the rest of the world but to suggest 'holier-than-thou' USA is any different is the biggest deflection of all time.

We have got to STOP the "They did it so why can't I?" defense. That's plain ridiculous, a childish frame of mind.

[BobBKK]

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Well just so you know Mitch McConnell just shot down 2 bills on election protection kinda makes ya wonder don’t it?they are calling him Moscow Mitch over here 

and 'they' are...? 

according to the National Review the criticism was unfair based on the FACTS. 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/mitch-mcconnell-isnt-moscow-mitch/

[Mascetti]

20 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I'm simply requesting evidence that it made one JOT of difference to the outcome. Of course USA will make all efforts to stop any nation meddling but to blame Trump is absurd.

7% rise in uptake on Facebook's early experiments with "voter engagement" BobBKK. When they microtargeted. They spend $billions on this btw.

[metisdead]

A troll post containing a trolling representation of Trump's name has been removed. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

Ah what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.

USA it's 'ok' others it's 'not ok'.  I'm surprised you allow such an Elephant to enter your room.

Of course USA will defend itself against any hacks as will Russia and the rest of the world but to suggest 'holier-than-thou' USA is any different is the biggest deflection of all time.

 

Who, other than yourself, suggested anything about "holier-than-thou"?

But do go on about deflections.

[Mascetti]

As Mueller reported, the *Swing States* that won Trump the election were targeted by -----> BOTH <--- Cambridge Analytica, and Russian IRA (GRU).  Trumps whole election team lied about their contacts. Cambridge Analytica is a Robert Mercer offshoot of a privatised military psyop team.  Important to remember, when Mercer took over a number of British stepped down because of ethical concerns.

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, Mascetti said:

As Mueller reported, the *Swing States* that won Trump the election were targeted by -----> BOTH <--- Cambridge Analytica, and Russian IRA (GRU).  Trumps whole election team lied about their contacts. Cambridge Analytica is a Robert Mercer offshoot of a privatised military psyop team.  Important to remember, when Mercer took over a number of British stepped down because of ethical concerns.

 

facebook, google, twitter, instagram...their business is only about selling users' data...mainly to advertisers...but it also means that anyone can jump in and have a go. That's what Cambridge did....they have been involved as election consultants in many countries. In Trinidad they actually ran a pretty sinister campaign dissuading youth from voting. Genius, but very very shady.

 

Im convinced 99% of people on social media are morons...you should see the questionnaire

they filled up, the one that helped Cambridge profile them. Some of the most intrusive questions

that reveal how they think and their mental make-up. Im appalled that anyone would even consider answering those questions.

 

So we can blame Cambridge, Russia etc but the people are also to blame for offering themselves up

to be manipulated.

 

Edited July 27, 2019 by JHolmesJr

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

and 'they' are...? 

according to the National Review the criticism was unfair based on the FACTS. 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/mitch-mcconnell-isnt-moscow-mitch/

There's a problem with the line of argument put forward by this rightwing source, the Republicans have failed to make alternative proposals. 

 

It's not simply  that the Republicans don't back Democrat proposals to protect the election against foreign interference, the Republicans show no interest at all in protecting the election against foreign interference. 

 

[marcusarelus]

Listening to CNN last night.  They said the Russians had targeted all states.  What did the Russians do that influenced the election.  Is there any proof that they influenced one vote of a sane adult American?  I don't care what we did to the Russians.  What did they do to America that influenced the election especially since Hillary got a majority of the votes.   I didn't want a President who lost 30,000 emails.  I have lost a few but 30,000 seems a bit much but were the Russians the only ones who knew that?

Edited July 27, 2019 by marcusarelus

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

Listening to CNN last night.  They said the Russians had targeted all states.  What did the Russians do that influenced the election.  Is there any proof that they influenced one vote of a sane adult American?  I don't care what we did to the Russians.  What did they do to America that influenced the election especially since Hillary got a majority of the votes.   I didn't want a President who lost 30,000 emails.  I have lost a few but 30,000 seems a bit much but were the Russians the only ones who knew that?

But your takeway is exactly wrong. It's precisely because of the electoral college that you don't need a majority of votes to win Just focus on a few state and you can win an election. Since much of that report remains classified it's not possible to say for sure where the Russians focused their attention.

[Thainesss]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It's not simply  that the Republicans don't back Democrat proposals to protect the election against foreign interference, the Republicans show no interest at all in protecting the election against foreign interference. 

 

Yeah, Democrats dont care about foreign interference. They are doing everything in their power to allow it, as long as it favors them. 

[marcusarelus]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But your takeway is exactly wrong. It's precisely because of the electoral college that you don't need a majority of votes to win Just focus on a few state and you can win an election. Since much of that report remains classified it's not possible to say for sure where the Russians focused their attention.

So I'm supposed to believe that the Russians did something terrible but you can't tell me what it is?  Aw come on I'm not kid.  The American government, Military and CIA have been lying to me all my life.  I was in the Army a sensitive position that allowed me to see the American government, Military and CIA lying to people all day long.  I don't think the Russians did anything a 12 year old fishing hacker could not have done. You have bought that the Russians did something but we can't tell you the story.  What it was is the CIA planted a story and the Mueller report picked it up but are afraid to tell you they got the story from the American government. 

Edited July 27, 2019 by marcusarelus