16 days overstay + incoming plans

[CeylonArey]

4 minutes ago, ttkeric said:

I might have missed it but OP never mentioned his/her nationality. Do check...

I am from Sweden #

[elviajero]

7 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Utter drivel, the rules have only recently been changed by the Junta.

Before that it was a very minor indiscretion. 

No it wasn’t. It was always a big deal. All that changed was the introduction of bans by immigration, not “the Junta”.

 

Before the bans came in anyone caught was arrested, detained, prosecuted, fined and deported. You only got away with it if you made it to a border; exactly as it is now.

 

The bans were brought in because of attitudes like yours that it’s a “very minor indiscretion”, and the bar stool spreading the idea that overstaying was somehow okay with immigration. 

[Sticky Wicket]

11 minutes ago, elviajero said:

No it wasn’t. It was always a big deal. All that changed was the introduction of bans by immigration, not “the Junta”.

 

Before the bans came in anyone caught was arrested, detained, prosecuted, fined and deported. You only got away with it if you made it to a border; exactly as it is now.

 

The bans were brought in because of attitudes like yours that it’s a “very minor indiscretion”, and the bar stool spreading the idea that overstaying was somehow okay with immigration. 

There was no blacklisting and get off your pompous high horse!

Who was running the country??

Edited July 26, 2019 by Sticky Wicket

[CeylonArey]

Koh Samui - Kuala Lumpur 

3 days in KL getting the visa.

Kuala Lumpur - Koh Samui

All direct flights.

Why isn’t that possible?

[somtumwrong]

1 hour ago, CeylonArey said:

I am from Sweden #

I guessed on page 1 that you were either from Germany or Sweden. The 'Willkommenskultur' in Germany or the 'Mitt land är ditt land' in Sweden make them think this is one big open world where you can do whatever you want, and since those countries have no punishments for immigration violations, well you don't need to bother much.

 

Just to highlight the difference to Germany and Sweden - explanations and excuses don't count here, this is not our country or ideology, just run to the nearest airport exit and be happy to get out with only a fine. Good luck ????

[PaoloR]

7 minutes ago, CeylonArey said:

Koh Samui - Kuala Lumpur 

3 days in KL getting the visa.

Kuala Lumpur - Koh Samui

All direct flights.

Why isn’t that possible?

It seems the OP is having comprehension difficulties.

How many more people have to tell you that you most likely will not be let back in through any airport! - They are very strict lately.

Land crossings, if you choose the right one, are generally easier - but not always guaranteed, especially if you have been travelling back and forth to Thailand for the last 3 years.

Read the advice given by UbonJoe and Elviajera, study it, then follow it - no need for any more questions.

[somtumwrong]

7 minutes ago, PaoloR said:

It seems the OP is having comprehension difficulties.

How many more people have to tell you that you most likely will not be let back in through any airport! - They are very strict lately.

Land crossings, if you choose the right one, are generally easier - but not always guaranteed, especially if you have been travelling back and forth to Thailand for the last 3 years.

Read the advice given by UbonJoe and Elviajera, study it, then follow it - no need for any more questions.

Give him a break, he is Swedish ????????

[CeylonArey]

????  Swedish mentality #

 

I will follow UbonJoe’s advice and go for Nong Khai. Seems like an experienced poster.

 

Incoming:

Ferry + van to Suratthani airport 

Fly Suratthani to Bangkok

Fly Bangkok to Udon Thani

Bus Udon Thani to Nong Khai

 

And then about the same way back.

Any extra info I can be aware of?

 

 

 

[geisha]

Yes, dont get drunk’!

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, CeylonArey said:

Ferry + van to Suratthani airport 

Fly Suratthani to Bangkok

Fly Bangkok to Udon Thani

Correct

 

7 minutes ago, CeylonArey said:

Bus Udon Thani to Nong Khai

You take a van from the airport to the bridge in Nong Khai. To take a bus you would have to into the city and it would not take you directly to the bridge.

10 minutes ago, CeylonArey said:

Any extra info I can be aware of?

 

Be sure you enough cash to pay for the overstay fine 8,500 baht for 17 days at 500 baht a day.

You will need $31 US or 1500 baht for the Lao visa on arrival.

[Nanaplaza666]

8 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Utter drivel, the rules have only recently been changed by the Junta.

Before that it was a very minor indiscretion. 

If you call 4 years recently you must have been living under a rock 

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, Sticky Wicket said:

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

No it wasn’t. It was always a big deal. All that changed was the introduction of bans by immigration, not “the Junta”.

 

Before the bans came in anyone caught was arrested, detained, prosecuted, fined and deported. You only got away with it if you made it to a border; exactly as it is now.

 

The bans were brought in because of attitudes like yours that it’s a “very minor indiscretion”, and the bar stool spreading the idea that overstaying was somehow okay with immigration. 

There was no blacklisting and get off your pompous high horse!

Who was running the country??

Another one that can't debate without resorting to childish insult/comment.

 

The government of the day ("the Junta") would have signed it off, but it was immigration that proposed the introduction of bans ("blacklisting") because the number of overstayers was getting too high. And they got too high because people wrongly thought it was a "very minor indiscretion".

[Sticky Wicket]

6 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Another one that can't debate without resorting to childish insult/comment.

 

The government of the day ("the Junta") would have signed it off, but it was immigration that proposed the introduction of bans ("blacklisting") because the number of overstayers was getting too high. And they got too high because people wrongly thought it was a "very minor indiscretion".

It's nice to hear it from the immigration's spokesperson

[Sticky Wicket]

8 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

If you call 4 years recently you must have been living under a rock 

Recently in the grand scale of things but you are quibbling over semantics. 

 

[Briggsy]

2 domestic flights??? Should be okay but that means showing your passport twice to check in. If it were me, I would go straight to Malaysia and then fly direct to Vientiane. And then to Thailand. Direct flight from Malaysia to Vientiane is cheap.

[elviajero]

5 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

12 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Another one that can't debate without resorting to childish insult/comment.

 

The government of the day ("the Junta") would have signed it off, but it was immigration that proposed the introduction of bans ("blacklisting") because the number of overstayers was getting too high. And they got too high because people wrongly thought it was a "very minor indiscretion".

It's nice to hear it from the immigration's spokesperson

It was all over the news at the time. You'd know that if you had any knowledge of the subject.

[lamyai3]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

No it wasn’t. It was always a big deal. All that changed was the introduction of bans by immigration, not “the Junta”

Immigration themselves have told me in the past that overstay wasn't a big deal, except if you run into trouble with the police on some other matter and are required to produce your passport. When I asked if an overstay stamp in the passport would be a problem in the future, the reply I got was along the lines of "can just pay fine at airport - not serious, no problem." What was in practice once treated as a minor indiscretion has been elevated to a fairly major criminal offence in recent years, though a short overstay is still handled in the same way as before and is not really any more likely to affect future entries than having too many tourist visas or visa exempts would. 

[Sticky Wicket]

5 minutes ago, elviajero said:

It was all over the news at the time. You'd know that if you had any knowledge of the subject.

I know that, it's just your writing style, as though you are the voice of immigration

[elviajero]

19 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

Immigration themselves have told me in the past that overstay wasn't a big deal, except if you run into trouble with the police on some other matter and are required to produce your passport.

555. No big deal unless you run into the police who will arrest, prosecute and deport you. That is an oxymoron.

 

19 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

When I asked if an overstay stamp in the passport would be a problem in the future, the reply I got was along the lines of "can just pay fine at airport - not serious, no problem."

At the time there were no consequences beyond the fine which is why they had to introduce the bans. And as we now know historical overstays can affect getting visas.

 

19 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

What was in practice once treated as a minor indiscretion has been elevated to a fairly major criminal offence in recent years, though a short overstay is still handled in the same way as before and is not really any more likely to affect future entries than having too many tourist visas or visa exempts would. 

I disagree. The offence is not criminal and is prosecuted the same today as it was in the past, except these days they sometimes add a ban.

[CelticTam]

Your original plan was to overstay 89 days and then apply for a tourist visa. I think you really need to think about your actions (inactions), potential consequences, and decisions by yourself and others, as you seem to have difficulty linking these together.

 

Get yourself out of Thailand asap and forget about waiting until Tuesday. I hope you manage to obtain a  tourist visa and it would be helpful to the forum feed back on how you fare in KL. 

 

As a parting shot, be prepared for the likelihood that you will be refused a visa at KL and you will have to figure out where and how you go next.

[lamyai3]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

555. No big deal unless you run into the police who will arrest, prosecute and deport you. That is an oxymoron.

A few years ago it was possible to go for a very long time without ever needing to present your passport to anyone. Hotels didn't need them to check in, nowadays you can't even top up your bts card without having registered it. You'd pretty much need to have been arrested or extremely unlucky to be caught in this way.

 

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

At the time there were no consequences beyond the fine which is why they had to introduce the bans. And as we now know historical overstays can affect getting visas.

This is an example of what I mean. Historical overstays can now affect getting visas, where in the past immigration has said the opposite.

 

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

I disagree. The offence is not criminal and is prosecuted the same today as it was in the past, except these days they sometimes add a ban.

Not technically criminal perhaps, but stigmatised in a way it never used to be. Even the apologists on here have taken to singing from immigration's hymnsheet, blaming people for things that never used to be serious at all (such as too many tourist visas) and claiming those people are "making it harder for the rest of us". The truth is much more complex, and when things have been overhauled in the past, it's typically in the aftermath of some sort of major incident, such as the Erawan bombers who bribed their way in at the border in 2015, and the huge imbalance of deportations between Thailand and South Korea which riled the immigration chief so much in 2014. Another major case which ramped up the crackdown on overstayers was the high profile murder and decapitation of a man from Spain in 2016 - at the time they stated that the crackdown was about catching foreign criminals here operating without papers.

 

Viewed in this light, it's not overstayers and long-stay tourists who've created the current problem - it's terrorists, foreign criminals and corrupt officers within immigration itself. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by lamyai3

[BritTim]

5 hours ago, elviajero said:

I disagree. The offence is not criminal and is prosecuted the same today as it was in the past, except these days they sometimes add a ban.

This is where I disagree. I believe immigration does now take overstays (especially if more than one, or relatively lengthy, but under 90 days) into account when deciding whether to grant visa exempt entry or abrogate tourist visas. A single very short overstay is probably overlooked, but we know (for instance) that you may be denied a Thailand Elite visa for any overstays that exceed this.

 

The official attitude to overstays today is massively different to what it was for decades up until around five years ago.

 

[Bendi]

Why cant he buy a plain ticket online from Bangkok to KL. Go to nearest IO. Pay the fine, show the ticket and explain what happend.? Dress nice be sober, thell you made some mistakes. Wouldnt that work? 

[BritTim]

10 minutes ago, Bendi said:

Why cant he buy a plain ticket online from Bangkok to KL. Go to nearest IO. Pay the fine, show the ticket and explain what happend.? Dress nice be sober, thell you made some mistakes. Wouldnt that work? 

Works fine for leaving Thailand. I personally recommend he does this or something similar. He also wants to return promptly to Thailand. That is where it can start to get sticky if he is not careful.

[DrJack54]

17 minutes ago, Bendi said:

Why cant he buy a plain ticket online from Bangkok to KL. Go to nearest IO. Pay the fine, show the ticket and explain what happend.? Dress nice be sober, thell you made some mistakes. Wouldnt that work? 

Is that a joke? He 100% does not go imm office. He needs go to international airport pay overstay and fly out. On top of that best reenter via border. Most likely best option as advised already.

[CNXexpat]

In the moment I found out that I am on overstay I would go to the next immigration office, make a lot of wais, pay the fine and try to make a new 30 days visa. If they say that it´s not possible I would leave the country soon as possible to avoid more problems - and have the chance to come not on the blacklist. 

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

In the moment I found out that I am on overstay I would go to the next immigration office, make a lot of wais, pay the fine and try to make a new 30 days visa. If they say that it´s not possible I would leave the country soon as possible to avoid more problems - and have the chance to come not on the blacklist. 

Are you nuts?

[CNXexpat]

4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Are you nuts?

No.

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

No.

 

5 minutes ago, CNXexpat said:

No.

Just means your nut case. Go to airport clear your overstay As per most posts. 

 

[CNXexpat]

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

 

Just means your nut case. Go to airport clear your overstay As per most posts. 

 

Yes, but if he is at Koh Samui and it needs too much time to go to BKK, I would ask the immigration at Samui, perhaps send a friend to ask if there is a possibility.