Has anyone tried switching to Vegetarian food for 2 weeks?

[Mukdahanman]

14 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Pathetic 

Guessing you’re a vegetarian 

[Mukdahanman]

Just now, Mukdahanman said:

Guessing you’re a vegetarian 

And not a very articulate one

[Mukdahanman]

15 minutes ago, Mukdahanman said:

And not a very articulate one

Typical veggie with no sense of humour- you utter w####r

[Pilotman]

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Hmmm  ????  anyway to wrap up most of my friends are meat eaters and I am not a preacher but, as Robolok knows, I will defend the position and stick up for defenseless animals whose life, frankly, is a living hell.

It's not a 'position', it's just something you in particular do, bit like using wet wipes when you go to the toilet.   It should be nobody's business but yours. Why are most veggies, and vegans, eating Puritans?  The pigs on our farm up north are not having a living hell of a life.  They are well cared for and nurtured, so that they produce the best eat for us to eat.   Same same our chickens.   

[Pilotman]

2 hours ago, mserror said:

I have been vegan for 13 years.

 

Most people are misinformed about nutrition, because of extensive spending by vested interests:

https://www.drmcdougall.com/

 

Thinking, feeling, animals do not want to be treated as commodities.

https://www.dominionmovement.com/

 

Animal products have a much higher environmental impact.

https://www.footprintnetwork.org/resources/footprint-calculator/

 

I spend less. On food, products, medicine.

 

Now you know - I wish someone had told me - I had to discover it for myself.

 

 

good for you, now keep it to yourself please. 

[Pilotman]

3 hours ago, simon43 said:

One problem of being a vegan is that certain minerals/vitamins that your body needs are not found in plant-based foods.  You must take supplements.  If you are a vegetarian, then it is possible to find these missing minerals in dairy products.

 

Likewise, a 100% meat diet will see you missing out on required minerals/vitamins that are only found in plant-based foods.

 

Hence the need to have a 'non-extremist' diet. Neither vegan nor 100% meat.

 

I'm not talking 'off the top of my head' here - I teach Human Digestion and Healthy Eating to high school students ????

nobody in  their right mind eats just 100% meat and nothing else.   Who would do that? 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

nobody in  their right mind eats just 100% meat and nothing else.   Who would do that? 

Americans ? ???? Or Australians given their liking for the BBQ. 

 

Anyway just joking I believe in a balanced diet without too much processed stuff (if you want to be lean and healthy)

[CGW]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I can find other articles where its busted.. so yea in my mind its convincing evidence. I am someone who has a lot of experience with diet and health and weight loss so I like to read up onto stuff.

 

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/the-blood-type-diet-review#section3

 

Having said that I am convince that everyone is a bit different and not everything works the same for everyone. But that its based on blood type is just crazy. 

Yes, I have noted that you consider yourself an expert on diet, personally at 64 years old I have never been on a diet or counted a calorie - no need.

Sport nutrition is light years ahead of the medical profession/industry, lets be honest "big Pharma" are not going to sell many drugs to a healthy population are they! there business model is to treat/mask illness with drugs, encouraging people to eat healthily is certainly not part of their agenda.

Genetic & blood typing is based on very sound principals, ("everyone is different") which you question, no doubt you will also think that the latest research where diet is tailored by DNA testing is also nonsense, personally I don't.

There are a lot of different opinions out there regarding diet as a lot of money is at stake, we have people stating that they only eat a vegetarian diet, I can believe that, but I cannot believe they are truly healthy. We have always been meat eaters, doubtless not as much as some eat these days and most certainly meat in the past was of better quality as food is now produced for maximum profit, not sustenance. 

 

[ChrisKC]

11 hours ago, robblok said:

I count 2 pathetic comments.. unless you count mine as pathetic. I am not going to debate the moral points here would only end up with none of us changing their minds. 

 

But I am perfectly ok with your views no need to change them. I also perfectly ok with my choices. 

You don't have to debate anything with anyone here. All the information about health and nutrition, unnecessary cruelty and merciless slaughter of animals is on the Internet. If you choose to ignore the consensus that is up to you.

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, CGW said:

Yes, I have noted that you consider yourself an expert on diet, personally at 64 years old I have never been on a diet or counted a calorie - no need.

Sport nutrition is light years ahead of the medical profession/industry, lets be honest "big Pharma" are not going to sell many drugs to a healthy population are they! there business model is to treat/mask illness with drugs, encouraging people to eat healthily is certainly not part of their agenda.

Genetic & blood typing is based on very sound principals, ("everyone is different") which you question, no doubt you will also think that the latest research where diet is tailored by DNA testing is also nonsense, personally I don't.

There are a lot of different opinions out there regarding diet as a lot of money is at stake, we have people stating that they only eat a vegetarian diet, I can believe that, but I cannot believe they are truly healthy. We have always been meat eaters, doubtless not as much as some eat these days and most certainly meat in the past was of better quality as food is now produced for maximum profit, not sustenance. 

 

Blood type is too general, I certainly don't oppose the idea that everyone is different (up to a certain extent). I have actually done genetic testing for sports and food. That is far more refined then the blood group diet. (still at its infancy though but promising the results i got back were pretty much what I already knew about my body) would have been more useful years ago (when it was not available). 

 

We have not been meat eaters we have been omnivores. Not sure why you think we are meat eaters. Our teeth and our intestines are far different from pure meat eaters. If you mean we have always eaten meat then I can agree with you. But certainly not exclusively meat eater. 

 

I tried it all and am lean enough to prove it (still want leaner). But if i let go and eat crap like pizza's and other fast foods all the time I will be out of shape in a few months. So what you eat is important. 

 

I like science I like testing things out and i like researching stuff about food and exercise. Still stuff like Keto did not work for me or at least not better as eating carbs (and much of the real science says the same thing keto has only a marginal edge if one is comparing it to healthy carbs and high proteins for sports people it is not that great if you want to build muscle). But it works for some people so i see it as viable just not for everyone as we are all different.

 

Anyway IMHO the blood group diet is bogus far to general (and I have given the scientific proof already), genetic testing certainly far better but needs to improve.

 

I don't need to count calories anymore I know ball park what i need and when I don't need to lose weight there is no need for me to stick to anything but eating healthy no processed carbs no sugary drinks. But I certainly tried counting calories at first to know what i need. I unfortunately have a slow thyroid and nothing to do about it as the medicine for it keep me awake. So even though I am at a disadvantage i stay lean now that i know how to eat. Now on a diet just to see how lean i can get (fitness model lean) not for health just to have a goal for working out and eating right. 

 

 

 

 

[robblok]

18 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

You don't have to debate anything with anyone here. All the information about health and nutrition, unnecessary cruelty and merciless slaughter of animals is on the Internet. If you choose to ignore the consensus that is up to you.

Yes i choose to ignore it given the amount of meat i eat it does not even add up to a whole pig in 3 years or more. So my impact is not that big. Impact of us humans displacing animal habitat is far bigger. 

[ChrisKC]

29 minutes ago, robblok said:

Yes i choose to ignore it given the amount of meat i eat it does not even add up to a whole pig in 3 years or more. So my impact is not that big. Impact of us humans displacing animal habitat is far bigger. 

"People kill over one billion pigs annually, an average of 23 million pigs a week. Three countries kill about 85 per cent of the world's pigs: China, European Union (I know the EU is not one Country) and United States, respectively about 12 million, five million and two million per week"

 

I will ignore the only one pig in three years you eat that lives and dies unnecessarily - how much impact do you think there is about all the others??

Edited August 1, 2019 by ChrisKC
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[HLover]

1 hour ago, ChrisKC said:

"People kill over one billion pigs annually, an average of 23 million pigs a week. Three countries kill about 85 per cent of the world's pigs: China, European Union (I know the EU is not one Country) and United States, respectively about 12 million, five million and two million per week"

 

I will ignore the only one pig in three years you eat that lives and dies unnecessarily - how much impact do you think there is about all the others??

+1 for the Muslims. ????

[Mikisteel]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

I count 2 pathetic comments.. unless you count mine as pathetic. I am not going to debate the moral points here would only end up with none of us changing their minds. 

 

But I am perfectly ok with your views no need to change them. I also perfectly ok with my choices. 

It's not necessarily pathetic but your comments make for great bed time reading. 15 seconds and I'm out. Ty

[robblok]

9 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

"People kill over one billion pigs annually, an average of 23 million pigs a week. Three countries kill about 85 per cent of the world's pigs: China, European Union (I know the EU is not one Country) and United States, respectively about 12 million, five million and two million per week"

 

I will ignore the only one pig in three years you eat that lives and dies unnecessarily - how much impact do you think there is about all the others??

Look I am only responsible for what I do.. and by weight that is about one pig in 3 years probably even less. So I don't feel that bad about it and what others do is their own choice. Freedom of choice. 

[robblok]

7 hours ago, Mikisteel said:

It's not necessarily pathetic but your comments make for great bed time reading. 15 seconds and I'm out. Ty

I wish I could find some posts like that could really help against my insomnia. Next time point a few out preferably not my own as I read those and they don't make me sleep. I tried yours but they are to short and lack substance. 

[geoffbezoz]

11 hours ago, Mukdahanman said:

Guessing you’re a vegetarian 

You can always tell a vegetarian, they have big furry ears, hop a lot, and leave balls of poo everywhere ????????

[Skeptic7]

Yes E-Z. Went vegan over 29 years ago. BEST decision of my life. Healthy...wholesome...satisfying in every way. Same weight and build as in college. Much easier now than 3 decades ago!

 

To each their own...but personally wouldn't ever consider a speck of cheese/dairy nor any type of animal flesh, embryos or sealife unless my life absolutely depended on it. ????

[Skeptic7]

13 hours ago, Pilotman said:

good for you, now keep it to yourself please. 

Uhhh...better to check the thread topic again and keep it to yourself please. 

[Pilotman]

Just now, Skeptic7 said:

Uhhh...better to check the thread topic again and keep it to yourself please. 

with pleasure. 

[Black arab]

I went vegetarian on my return from uk earlier this year, a month of drinking and over eating meant i ballooned in wieght. After six weeks back here on rice and veg i lost 4.5kg didnt really miss the meat at the time although back eating it now.

[JimmyJ]

Suggestion for the posters who believe that vegan food is not tasty and doesn't have variety:

 

If in Bangkok, have a meal at May Veggie Home:

8/3 Sukhumvit Soi 16 (at Asoke Sukhumvit intersection, Ratchadapisek Roak Klong Toei), Bangkok, Thailand, 10110

 

In Chiang Mai, try Vegan Heaven:

44/6 Loi Kroh Rd , Chiang Mai, Thailand, 50100

or Vegan Heaven 2:

Or I was about to also suggest Vegan Heaven 2, but just read on HappyCow.net:

"Second branch of Vegan Heaven, changed name in June 2019 and became a fully vegan pizzeria."

Haven't tried it's new incarnation, but looking forward to it and expect it to be delicious.

27/2 Moon Muang, Soi 9, Chiang Mai, Thailand, 50300

 

The owner has another CM restaurant, I believe her 1st, this one vegetarian - Taste from Heaven. Haven't yet gotten there.

 

 

These are only 2 restaurants. There are tons of others.

( I dined at many in CM, but the only one I ate at in Bangkok was May's. Several times).

Happycow.net lists vegetarian and vegan restaurants with reader reviews.

The free version of the phone app gives a max of the last 3 (or maybe it's 5) reviews of each restaurant.

The pay app gives access to all the reviews. (The only phone app I've ever paid for).

Edited August 2, 2019 by JimmyJ

[BobBKK]

22 hours ago, Mukdahanman said:

If you’re not supposed to eat animals, why did God make them taste like meat?

You think our teeth are carnivorous (or vegetarian i.e. flat)?  we can eat raw meat or we have to cook it to be palatable?  there is NO argument for meat eating especially if you have concerns for world hunger or a smidgen of understanding the hell animals go through to satisfy your lust for cooked flesh.

Edited August 2, 2019 by BobBKK

[BobBKK]

46 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

Suggestion for the posters who believe that vegan food is not tasty and doesn't have variety:

 

If in Bangkok, have a meal at May Veggie Home:

8/3 Sukhumvit Soi 16 (at Asoke Sukhumvit intersection, Ratchadapisek Roak Klong Toei), Bangkok, Thailand, 10110

 

In Chiang Mai, try Vegan Heaven:

44/6 Loi Kroh Rd , Chiang Mai, Thailand, 50100

or Vegan Heaven 2:

Or I was about to also suggest Vegan Heaven 2, but just read on HappyCow.net:

"Second branch of Vegan Heaven, changed name in June 2019 and became a fully vegan pizzeria."

Haven't tried it's new incarnation, but looking forward to it and expect it to be delicious.

27/2 Moon Muang, Soi 9, Chiang Mai, Thailand, 50300

 

The owner has another CM restaurant, I believe her 1st, this one vegetarian - Taste from Heaven. Haven't yet gotten there.

 

 

These are only 2 restaurants. There are tons of others.

( I dined at many in CM, but the only one I ate at in Bangkok was May's. Several times).

Happycow.net lists vegetarian and vegan restaurants with reader reviews.

The free version of the phone app gives a max of the last 3 (or maybe it's 5) reviews of each restaurant.

The pay app gives access to all the reviews. (The only phone app I've ever paid for).

Anchan is the best in town.

https://anchanvegetarian.com/

 

 

[Skeptic7]

Interesting FYI... 

 

Differences between carnivores and herbivores. 

 

Nearly all animals have canine teeth regardless of diet. The hippopotamus is strictly an herbivore and has the largest canines of all. Camels have large canines too, as do other herbivores. 

1. Carnivores have sharp molars/humans and herbivores are flat
2. Carnivores have claws and paws/humans and herbivores hands or hooves
3. Carnivores have large oral cavities/humans small
4. Carnivores have short digestive tracts/humans and herbivores long
5. Carnivores pant to cool the body/humans and herbivores sweat
6. Carnivores lap liquids/humans and herbivores sip
7. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C/humans and herbivores get it from their diet
8. Carnivores don't chew much and saliva doesn't have digestive enzymes/humans and herbivores chew and saliva does have digestive enzymes
9. Carnivores are quick and cunning and kill with claws and teeth/humans are not and don't
10. Carnivores kill then eat raw meat/most humans buy pretty packages of pre-killed meat and usually cook it. 

[Skeptic7]

On 8/1/2019 at 4:32 PM, simon43 said:

One problem of being a vegan is that certain minerals/vitamins that your body needs are not found in plant-based foods.  You must take supplements.  If you are a vegetarian, then it is possible to find these missing minerals in dairy products.

 

Likewise, a 100% meat diet will see you missing out on required minerals/vitamins that are only found in plant-based foods.

 

Hence the need to have a 'non-extremist' diet. Neither vegan nor 100% meat.

 

I'm not talking 'off the top of my head' here - I teach Human Digestion and Healthy Eating to high school students ????

Vitamin B12 is really the only one and the body stores it, so not much is needed...but agreed it is essential. 

[Skeptic7]

On 8/1/2019 at 3:40 PM, thirdleg said:

The only country that makes really tasty veg food imo is India.

It's that tasty you forget there is no meat at times. 

I agree a meatless diet for me would be pure misery.

 

Totally ridiculous and unfounded claim. I agree that Indian veg(an) food is awesome...but so is the Thai food right here! Just as good and perhaps even better than Indian. Just as easy too. All Thai dishes can be made scrumptiously spicy and vegan. There is even a word for it..."Jay" or "Je" or "J". เจ

 

 

China is not too bad either, tho not on par with Thailand or India. Mid-East countries also serve up some very tasty veg(an) meals too. 

[Brightly]

A few things to note about adding psyllium husks (essentially this is Metamucil) to your daily regimen.

 

First of all, it’s beneficial in a number of ways:

 

* Promotes bowel regularity

 

* Linked to reduction of colon cancer

 

* Provides a feeling of fullness (especially helpful when taken 

   between lunch and dinner time to prevent snacking)

 

*  It can totally REDUCE YOUR CHOLESTEROL (as it binds with and 

    “escorts” dietary cholesterol out of the body).  Some folks are 

     able to get off statin medications altogether with psyllium.

 

This is pretty great news, doncha’ think?  And it’s a sensible adjunct to anyone who’s looking to drop a kilo-or ten.

 

HOWEVER, one should start with a low dose of psyllium, followed by a glass or two of water, and work up to higher quantities of this supplement, as tolerated. 

 

“Too much too soon” can result in abdominal bloating, nausea, and godawful farting.  Also, psyllium taken with inadequate water can result in constipation.

 

ALSO (and this is extremely important), psyllium MUST be taken two-plus hours before or after any medications, supplements, or vitamins.

 

Why?  Because just as psyllium “escorts” cholesterol out of the gut (prohibiting its absorption), it can do the same thing with meds and supplements: it binds with the meds and sends them outa town before they can absorb and do their job.

 

Psyllium is wonderful!  Highly recommended!

 

Just follow the sensible guidelines above, and all should be good.

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Brightly

[JimmyJ]

On 8/1/2019 at 3:18 AM, CGW said:

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it but each of us has to eat for their genetic type/blood group, there is no one diet suits all! Blood type A can adapt to vegan, I am type B - I need meat - no getting around it, no matter how much BS is written of the health benefits of veggies!

 

"...no matter how much BS is written of the health benefits of veggies!"

 

Speaking of "BS":

 

Your statement above is unscientific nonsense.

 

 

 

https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/06/04/blood-type-diet-debunked/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_diet

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/naturopathy-vs-science-facts-edition/

 

Peter J. D'Adamo, the principal popularizer of the Blood Type Diet, is a graduate of Bastyr University:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastyr_University

 

Blog by another graduate of Bastyr U. -

"Naturopathic Diaries
Confessions of a naturopathic doctor"

https://www.naturopathicdiaries.com/

 

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by JimmyJ

[Skeptic7]

Drink LOTS of water with psyllium husks. Should drink plenty of water regardless, especially in tropical climates...but essential to drink lots of water with psyllium for the full benefit and to prevent the opposite (blockage) from happening.